To all those that want Slade out....

Love it barnett

Brought in on supposedly 120k per year contract by Tan. I should imagine the logic being Tan could then get rid of him with no more of an effort of discarding a disposable Bic razor.

I agree with the OP

Now excuse my ignorance, but can some of the more knowledgeable fans on here explain the exact criteria that a manager at this level needs to meet as opposed to other divisions. Or does it come down to personal preference, media influence, cheque book managers, past records or the brand of suit he wears?

What's the answer then?

Keep changing the manager every few months until we find one that can perform miracles at this club during a period of transition? They're football managers, not magicians. We're a club going through a period of transition trying to balance the books off the pitch as well. If we keep changing managers all the time and don't give them long enough to stamp their true authority on the club we'll never any sort of ethos whether its parking the bus or nice expansive football. Our team will have no stability whatsoever, players will get fed up and will then seek to move elsewhere to a club that actually has some of structure to it.

Sacking Slade is not the answer. If we then get in Lambert or someone and he doesn't perform miracles in a few months people will be calling for his head as well. Then the next manager they'll do the same. Sorry but Slade has my full backing until he has enough time to put his true stamp on the team and get rid of the players who don't even care and are only interested in putting in a shift when it suits them. If Tan gets rid of Slade then he's a fool. No manager with a brain or an ounce of business acumen will come to a club like ours and anybody that comes in is only going to want to do it their way and rip everything up.

Patience is the order of the day and Rome wasn't built in one. We've been spoilt with the Premier League, money thrown at players and good results against the likes of Man City and Man Utd. Well, you cant always have your cake and eat it. Its time to get real.

Don't make me laugh mate

We wouldn't need to change if we got someone decent after Malky

Or kept him in the first place

Ole and slade were poor decisions

Now you can see that yourself

We need a new GOOD manager with a good assistant

We got good players ! Just poor tactics etc

Malky was out of his depth in the Premier League.

The time to change the manager is at the end of the season.

Malky absolutely was out of his depth in the Premier and made a pigs ear of preparing for it. It was correct to remove him on purely football terms however his replacement was a huge mistake. Nonetheless it is exemplary to correct an error sooner rather than later instead of delaying matters and letting problems escalate into bigger issues.

What's the answer then?

Keep changing the manager every few months until we find one that can perform miracles at this club during a period of transition? They're football managers, not magicians. We're a club going through a period of transition trying to balance the books off the pitch as well. If we keep changing managers all the time and don't give them long enough to stamp their true authority on the club we'll never any sort of ethos whether its parking the bus or nice expansive football. Our team will have no stability whatsoever, players will get fed up and will then seek to move elsewhere to a club that actually has some of structure to it.

Sacking Slade is not the answer. If we then get in Lambert or someone and he doesn't perform miracles in a few months people will be calling for his head as well. Then the next manager they'll do the same. Sorry but Slade has my full backing until he has enough time to put his true stamp on the team and get rid of the players who don't even care and are only interested in putting in a shift when it suits them. If Tan gets rid of Slade then he's a fool. No manager with a brain or an ounce of business acumen will come to a club like ours and anybody that comes in is only going to want to do it their way and rip everything up.

Patience is the order of the day and Rome wasn't built in one. We've been spoilt with the Premier League, money thrown at players and good results against the likes of Man City and Man Utd. Well, you cant always have your cake and eat it. Its time to get real.

100% agree with the post about who do we get from here...Leeds and Watford have had swapped changed managers too much and failed to attract anybody...we don't want to end up like that.

I don't however Slade will improve but if we sack him do we want to end up with an Italian Serie B reject? Not for me...

What's the answer then?

Keep changing the manager every few months until we find one that can perform miracles at this club during a period of transition? They're football managers, not magicians. We're a club going through a period of transition trying to balance the books off the pitch as well. If we keep changing managers all the time and don't give them long enough to stamp their true authority on the club we'll never any sort of ethos whether its parking the bus or nice expansive football. Our team will have no stability whatsoever, players will get fed up and will then seek to move elsewhere to a club that actually has some of structure to it.

Sacking Slade is not the answer. If we then get in Lambert or someone and he doesn't perform miracles in a few months people will be calling for his head as well. Then the next manager they'll do the same. Sorry but Slade has my full backing until he has enough time to put his true stamp on the team and get rid of the players who don't even care and are only interested in putting in a shift when it suits them. If Tan gets rid of Slade then he's a fool. No manager with a brain or an ounce of business acumen will come to a club like ours and anybody that comes in is only going to want to do it their way and rip everything up.

Patience is the order of the day and Rome wasn't built in one. We've been spoilt with the Premier League, money thrown at players and good results against the likes of Man City and Man Utd. Well, you cant always have your cake and eat it. Its time to get real.

100% agree with the post about who do we get from here...Leeds and Watford have had swapped changed managers too much and failed to attract anybody...we don't want to end up like that.

I don't however Slade will improve but if we sack him do we want to end up with an Italian Serie B reject? Not for me...

We are not Leeds or Leyton orient are we?

Just get someone in who knows what he is doing. It ain't rocket science. The fool was gonna be sacked by Orient because he wasn't up to it in a lower league. A point the right manager that plays semi decent football at the least and we will be behind him. Slade and Tan are killing this club.

Some of you make it sound as if its easy. You need to get off the booze and stop playing football manager and get in the real world. There's plenty of you on here who run your own businesses and should have the financial knowledge to know that its simply ridiculous to suggest that we can make severe financial cuts, not pump in investment, replace these with lower league and lower quality players and still compete straight away. Its going to take time.

1) Our club is making CUTS off the pitch financially so lack of investment
2) Our club is selling some of the BEST players and replacing them with CHEAPER alternatives
3) If you want a sustainable club you have to make SACRIFICES. You CANT just keep throwing money at the problem
4) We're no longer in the Premier League. Get over it. We're a club seeking stability in a LOWER division
5) Our style of play is constantly CHANGING. NO stability whatsoever. Malky to Ole to Slade. NO ethos to build on. If you keep on RIPPING up the blueprint the house NEVER gets bloody built.
6) Slade still HASNT even put together his WHOLE team. He still has players from a PREVIOUS regime in the side.

If you honestly think we can balance the books financially, sell off some of most talented players and replace them with lower league players on lower wages and still compete at the highest level of this league against the likes of stable clubs who are bang in form then you are severely deluded. You cannot have your cake and eat it all the time. What is it with people in this country who cant understand the FACT that money doesn't grow on trees? You either want to work towards a long term sustainable club or you want to try constant quick fixes and the mountain of debt that comes with it.

If you want to keep changing managers every 5 minutes then go ahead, call for Slade's head. He'll get replaced by either a nobody or a has been who'll tell us just like Ole we're going to play wonderful and beautiful passing football like we've never seen before only for him to be shown the door after 6 months because he didn't perform miracles. Has it even occurred to any of you that Tan may be aware that relegation is a real possibility after selling off players to balance the books and therefore decided to get a manager in with a proven record at that level? Slade won 42% of his games with Orient at that level. He has won League One manager of the year twice. He has experience at that level. He is purchasing some of the best players he knows he can trust to get the job done at that level. Its entirely feasible that we're planning for a possible relegation in case it does happen.

He also has an eye for talent and was the man who brought through Jagielka. If we can bring through players who cost us £500k in League One and then sell them for millions that is the sign of a good club. If you then build upon that and get promoted each of your assets (which includes players) becomes more valuable again. If then you get promoted again to the Premier League as Southampton did, and the players continue to perform you reap the rewards of a long term plan by selling players you brought through or purchased cheaply by selling them for ridiculous sums (Lallana, Shaw, etc.). Thats called a sensible business model.

We should not be focusing on sacking Slade. We should be focusing on coming together for the club in DIRE times when its going to need us most. We should be focusing on making the best out a time of transition and stop whinging about how the world is going to end cause Fraizer Campbell doesn't always bloody score goals anymore for us. We were addicted to debt and erratic spending for years. Do you think going cold turkey is fun? Do you think going cold turkey is easy? I can assure you if you ask any addict they'll tell you no its not. Well thats what is happening with the clubs finances at the moment and we're being drip fed methadone by Vincent Tan until we're eventually off it and can function financially on our own (sustainability). The club is in a dark place, its going through transition and that is the REALITY of the situation.

Honestly, I despair, half the people on here have the economic and business nous of Ed Miliband and are living on a similar planet to him at times. What are the alternatives? Who is going to come in with virtually NO money to spend? If we do go down, we need a manager who has been there and done it. We don't want a manager who will turn his back on us because he thinks he's above managing at that level so decides to 'part ways' with us in a time of need. Oh, on top of that, a lot of us asked for this and now you're all complaining.

1) We moaned about the rising debt and wanted the books balanced and debts dealt with
2) We wanted blue many of you at whatever cost and some even said 'League 2 and blue' and now they moan
3) We wanted Ole replaced and called for his head rather than giving him time and then we got Slade

Please don't suggest for a moment some of you never made those above requests because we did and I accept the reality of them because thats how it is. I'm in it for the long rollercoaster ride it is and always will be and if you're scared of the big drops on the Cardiff City rollercoaster then please take your miserable behind and go and play on the horse carousel because the last thing we need in times like this are whingebag fans constantly crying about how Slade isn't a miracle worker and the next coming of Jesus.

Good heavens.

Jesus pal you serious with this post? Slade is way out of his depth!

The key to a succesfull club is a good manager thats how the jacks have done so well and southampton for example. Slade is not the man to take us forward we need the right man out to turn things around take us to the premiership and keep us there. If anyone thinks slade is that man then quite frankly you must be off your head and away with the fairies.

Nonsense. Both of those clubs did well through:

a) Building a solid foundation at the club and ethos - thats why it sticks when they change managers
b) Investing in a solid scouting network and youth regime and bringing them through
c) Living within their means and only seeking investment opportunities where its needed

The vast majority of what Swansea City has achieved is down to the complete foundations and ethos Huw Jenkins has created at the club. It took a lot of time and they went from dire conditions to having a solid foundation to build upon. Swansea don't just keep getting lucky with managers. They have an entire regime in place that selects managers suitable to fit the club's ethos and philosophy. Of course the managers tinker with the system here and there. Martinez very attacking. Sousa very defensive. Rodgers struck a balance and so on....but the foundations were SOLID from the moment Huw and the others there decided that they were going to do thinks a certain way. Thats why they had no worry whatsoever promoting Monk to manager because the ethos was there and in place and solid. He's also lived and breathed that entire Swansea way of doing things the entire time he's been there. Suggesting each manager has just been lucky is doing a whole disservice to the backroom setup they've got down that way. Its pure bitterness.

If anything we need to EMULATE their model.

Bluebina, I responded to your initial thread to say that I did not expect miracles and, as a principle,I do not believe in chopping and changing managers. Also their are good examples where promising managers from lower leagues have been successful at bigger clubs.BUT
I repeat that I think RS had 2 main objectives :
1/ reduce the squad in a sensible and coherent way. It is not financial sense to remove some of the better players with potential to be the backbone of the team for years to come (reference my earlier post for further examples); and
2/ to steady the ship - at the moment we are like the titanic!

You are suggesting a third objective (" Tan saw relegation as a possibility and therefore brought in a managers with experience at that level"). Wouldnt this be stupid, to say to the manager reduce the squad but dont worry if we go down cos I think you'll do a good job in Division 1. More likely he was told that RS had a solid record at the lower level and was a cheap option who would do a decent job in carrying out points 1/ and 2/ above. Unfortunately it hasnt turned out like that.
Reference my earlier post.
You mention " ripping up a blueprint" .... "and the house never gets built". I agree in theory. But RS has ripped up the OGS blueprint of wanting to play attractive football. (OGS WAS UNABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT). RS appears to favour a far more direct approach (hoofball?).
As I said I hope that we stay up. But I dont see RS as the longer term answer to 'lay the foundations'that you refer to. In fact, hope that he isnt building in sand. If we go down we may find that instead of a fortress at CCS we have been reduced to a beach hut.
I do not like to see anyone lose their job, and we should just about stay in the Championship. But I do not faith in RSs management for next year. I have my opinion and you have yours - for the sake of CCFC lets hope that you are correct

Was replying to Bluemi ati not Bluebina!

Rome did not create a great empire by allowing other civilizations waltz into their territory and take the piss , they did it by killing all those who opposed them. Russell Slade poses no danger to the football establishment. Our rivals have nothing to fear.

Whats the real solution then cause I'm not hearing any. Your solutions all seem to be 'OMG LETS SACK THE MANAGER AFTER 6 MONTHS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK MIRACLES' and that is not going to work.

Whats the real solution then cause I'm not hearing any. Your solutions all seem to be 'OMG LETS SACK THE MANAGER AFTER 6 MONTHS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK MIRACLES' and that is not going to work.

Answer is to get a proper manager in and support him. Slade can't manage, that's clear to anyone.

Whats the real solution then cause I'm not hearing any. Your solutions all seem to be 'OMG LETS SACK THE MANAGER AFTER 6 MONTHS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK MIRACLES' and that is not going to work.

Answer is to get a proper manager in and support him. Slade can't manage, that's clear to anyone.

Yes because a 42% win percentage at Orient happened by magic didn't it? Simple fact is, we've given Slade nearly no time at all to show us what he can do cause we have a bunch of spoilt fans who are totally unrealistic. Slade is still working with tools that a previous manager brought to the club. If you think he's had a fair crack then you're deluded. If we sack him and we go down all the people that called for his sacking are as much to blame as Tan as they're also the ones consistently supporting the instability of this club.

To me he has shown enough.
Orient were where when he left them?

Hard to take you seriously anyway when you change your opinion every week depending how bored you are.

To me he has shown enough.
Orient were where when he left them?

Hard to take you seriously anyway when you change your opinion every week depending how bored you are.

Change my opinion every week? I wasn't on here for months and you bring that up. Hilarious. Cant actually debate as you have the brain of a worn dap so resort to name calling. Are you related to Nick Clegg by any chance? It might be genetic.

Bump.

Bump.

One Swallow doth not a Summer make, fella!

Trollope has certainly had an effect.

Still not good enough, slade out.

Absolutely spot on in my opinion!

Trollope has certainly had an effect.

Still not good enough, slade out.

I blame Trollope for us losing on Saturday!

Bump.

Took a while to bump that up

Bump.

Took a while to bump that up