Anybody claim housing benefit?

My girlfriend isn't an avenue of income, thats the point. That is not milking the system, that is getting around a stupid roadblock to get the money i have put in the pot to help pay rent when out of work. I am out of work and now need access to the pot i have contributed to for that very justifiable and genuine reason. To compare the two is a nonsense. It is criminal for a woman to show her shoulders in certain countries, doing so isnt morally wrong but a misguided law put in place for the benefit of a system.

these are tough times and there are people who have a far greater need for that money than you do. it says alot about your character that you are prepared to lie and claim this benefit fraudulently.

i would be embarrassed to do so. my grandmother who recently passed away, struggled to make ends meet for her whole life but was determined to stand on her own two feet, and wouldn't dream of claiming a benefit fraudulently. have some self respect and tell the truth, i challenge you.

if not, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

There isn't a scale of most needy and people will then go without. You are being intentionally provocative for what reasons i can only guess. Of course i am prepared to lie and claim my money fraudulently simply because i need it as much as the next person. I am not fraudulently claiming that i need it when i don't... Which is the big difference.

This money is there fundamentally to help people financially when they lose their job, that is exactly what i am using it for and need it for, there is no fraud there. There is only a non disclosure of the fact i have a girlfriend as it is irrelevant in reality and will be a roadblock to the help i need as they assume her money is mine - which it is not.

My girlfriend has nothing to do with anything in reality. Her money is not mine just like a single person's mates money isn't his. In who's world am I less needy than a single person? So yes in this instance the system encourages people who do not sponge of their other halfs to suggest they are single

Your Grandmother needed to wisen up then and not be dictated to by a government wishing to save money while she suffers.

You are wrong im afraid.

My girlfriend isn't an avenue of income, thats the point. That is not milking the system, that is getting around a stupid roadblock to get the money i have put in the pot to help pay rent when out of work. I am out of work and now need access to the pot i have contributed to for that very justifiable and genuine reason. To compare the two is a nonsense. It is criminal for a woman to show her shoulders in certain countries, doing so isnt morally wrong but a misguided law put in place for the benefit of a system.

these are tough times and there are people who have a far greater need for that money than you do. it says alot about your character that you are prepared to lie and claim this benefit fraudulently.

i would be embarrassed to do so. my grandmother who recently passed away, struggled to make ends meet for her whole life but was determined to stand on her own two feet, and wouldn't dream of claiming a benefit fraudulently. have some self respect and tell the truth, i challenge you.

if not, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

There isn't a scale of most needy and people will then go without. You are being intentionally provocative for what reasons i can only guess. Of course i am prepared to lie and claim my money fraudulently simply because i need it as much as the next person. I am not fraudulently claiming that i need it when i don't... Which is the big difference.

This money is there fundamentally to help people financially when they lose their job, that is exactly what i am using it for and need it for, there is no fraud there. There is only a non disclosure of the fact i have a girlfriend as it is irrelevant in reality and will be a roadblock to the help i need as they assume her money is mine - which it is not.

My girlfriend has nothing to do with anything in reality. Her money is not mine just like a single person's mates money isn't his. In who's world am I less needy than a single person? So yes in this instance the system encourages people who do not sponge of their other halfs to suggest they are single

Your Grandmother needed to wisen up then and not be dictated to by a government wishing to save money while she suffers.

You are wrong im afraid.

just tell the truth, thats all i'm saying. if you are entitled you will get the money and no-one can have any issues, if you lie, then you are fraudulently claiming benefits.

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

Just do the right thing and get a job FFS. Financially it is far better looking for a job when you are in work (even if it's a shit job) rather when you are out of work.

If you want to choose the out of work lifestyle then in my book you shouldn't be able to claim a penny

Just do the right thing and get a job FFS. Financially it is far better looking for a job when you are in work (even if it's a shit job) rather when you are out of work.

If you want to choose the out of work lifestyle then in my book you shouldn't be able to claim a penny

That is exactly what I intend to do if you read the thread properly. It isn't an out of work lifestyle it is a transitional period where i look for a suitable job. I am not willing to do just "any" job, i am a highly qualified individual and you wont be catching me flipping burgers thats for sure. If you don't like that then I'm afraid you can swivel.

It is my opinion that you shouldn't be allowed to work at all given your past but thats another discussion all together Adam.

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

a little story about how council checks on you! my partner at the time had about 12k in savings she liked to swap it from isa to anything with higher interest than she was having at end of the year! they noticed and accused her of avoiding declareing the money, although you can have upto 16k without penalty! she was questioned under caution to explian what she was doing? they basically didnt believe her and told her if they find her doing similar thing again she would be prosecuted! also she would be monitered for 3yrs, not worth trying to con them or similar s they will find out

Waiting for the rig job to come around. FFS this is South Wales not the South East!!!!

What's wrong with flipping burgers then as long as it helps get the bills paid ? I'm not ashamed to say that I work for myself but during the quiet times I will do anything to help fund my lifestyle.

You want us to fund your lifestyle via housing benefit!!! You should be ashamed of yourself

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

its there for people who meet the criteria, you don't, so you are lying to obtain the benefit fraudulently.

its morally wrong to disobey the law, but clearly you think benefit fraud is ok if you think you need the money so all i can say is i hope you get caught.

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

its there for people who meet the criteria, you don't, so you are lying to obtain the benefit fraudulently.

its morally wrong to disobey the law, but clearly you think benefit fraud is ok if you think you need the money so all i can say is i hope you get caught.

No it is there to help people who cannot afford to pay their rent after being made unemployed. The criteria is there to stop people who have access to money from claiming. The criteria if answered honestly will suggest i do have access to money when in fact I don't. Like i said, maybe i shall say to my girlfriend no more kissing until I get a job and we will just be friends.

It is not morally incorrect to disobey the law depending on the circumstances. And i absolutely think benefit fraud is ok if you qualify for the benefit but red tape is stopping you from obtaining it.

You hope i get caught? Ah well, i hope you lose your shoes. Diddums.

Waiting for the rig job to come around. FFS this is South Wales not the South East!!!!

What's wrong with flipping burgers then as long as it helps get the bills paid ? I'm not ashamed to say that I work for myself but during the quiet times I will do anything to help fund my lifestyle.

You want us to fund your lifestyle via housing benefit!!! You should be ashamed of yourself

So if i stopped kissing my girlfriend and decided to be friends it would be ok by you? But if i start kissing her and holding her hand then its now not ok? You do realise how ridiculous that is right?

What lifestyle is this housing benefit funding then? The lifestyle of looking for a job which it pays my rent partially like everyone else you mean? If you dont like the benefit system then leave the country id suggest.

It is there to help people unemployed pay their rent. Im stunned you think i shouldn't get it even though i am unemployed and cant afford my rent simply because i kiss a woman. Grow up id suggest.

No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

its there for people who meet the criteria, you don't, so you are lying to obtain the benefit fraudulently.

its morally wrong to disobey the law, but clearly you think benefit fraud is ok if you think you need the money so all i can say is i hope you get caught.

No it is there to help people who cannot afford to pay their rent after being made unemployed. The criteria is there to stop people who have access to money from claiming. The criteria if answered honestly will suggest i do have access to money when in fact I don't. Like i said, maybe i shall say to my girlfriend no more kissing until I get a job and we will just be friends.

It is not morally incorrect to disobey the law depending on the circumstances. And i absolutely think benefit fraud is ok if you qualify for the benefit but red tape is stopping you from obtaining it.

You hope i get caught? Ah well, i hope you lose your shoes. Diddums.

a benefit fraud officer would call this a straightforward case of benefit fraud. you think its ok to lie to get the money, all i'm saying is i hope as a taxpayer you get caught because you do not qualify for the benefit and every pound you take fraudulently was hard earned by someone who would be pissed off to see it going to a loser like you.

i hope you see sense and tell the truth. i wouldn't want claiming benefits fraudulently on my conscience, even if i felt i could do with the money.

No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

Where have I said anything like that then? I think you need to read the thread again. I said i don't want to claim JSA as i don't want to be put under pressure to get any job and instead want to get a job to continue my career in my field of work. How is that sitting on my arse?

I don't agree though. The benefit is there for people out of work that cannot pay their rent. That is why i am claiming it. There is no fraud there.

For some reason however the government assumes that if you have a girlfriend their money is yours, im afraid this isnt the case. It is a white lie to get the benefit I have paid in to help me for this exact reason.

If you think that is morally wrong then bully for you. I think that guideline is morally wrong so am arguing it is morally right to get around it. Or maybe i should tell my girlfriend no kissing or anything, we will be friends until i stop claiming the benefit i need.

its there for people who meet the criteria, you don't, so you are lying to obtain the benefit fraudulently.

its morally wrong to disobey the law, but clearly you think benefit fraud is ok if you think you need the money so all i can say is i hope you get caught.

No it is there to help people who cannot afford to pay their rent after being made unemployed. The criteria is there to stop people who have access to money from claiming. The criteria if answered honestly will suggest i do have access to money when in fact I don't. Like i said, maybe i shall say to my girlfriend no more kissing until I get a job and we will just be friends.

It is not morally incorrect to disobey the law depending on the circumstances. And i absolutely think benefit fraud is ok if you qualify for the benefit but red tape is stopping you from obtaining it.

You hope i get caught? Ah well, i hope you lose your shoes. Diddums.

a benefit fraud officer would call this a straightforward case of benefit fraud. you think its ok to lie to get the money, all i'm saying is i hope as a taxpayer you get caught because you do not qualify for the benefit and every pound you take fraudulently was hard earned by someone who would be pissed off to see it going to a loser like you.

i hope you see sense and tell the truth. i wouldn't want claiming benefits fraudulently on my conscience, even if i felt i could do with the money.

I don't give a monkeys chuff what he would say it is. You aren't answering my question.

If you think someone is entitled to it because they are unemployed and the benefit is to help them pay their rent, then why are you so against me getting it simply because i kiss a female... What is the connection?

Why am i a loser? Because I am unemployed? So everybody who is unemployed is a loser? Or just people unemployed who kiss a female? What correlation does kissing a female have in needing a benefit designed to help people unemployed - which i am.

You haven't thought this through have you son?

No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

Where have I said anything like that then? I think you need to read the thread again. I said i don't want to claim JSA as i don't want to be put under pressure to get any job and instead want to get a job to continue my career in my field of work. How is that sitting on my arse?

Do you not see that housing benefit is paid for by everyone else then ?

No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

Where have I said anything like that then? I think you need to read the thread again. I said i don't want to claim JSA as i don't want to be put under pressure to get any job and instead want to get a job to continue my career in my field of work. How is that sitting on my arse?

Do you not see that housing benefit is paid for by everyone else then ?

Of course, me too, I've been in work for the last 12 years. You understand it is wilfully paid to help people in the community when they are unemployed right? Well thats me.

Why do you think id dont deserve the same help as someone who doesnt kiss a female? Your opinion is flawed.

whatever, i've wasted enough of my time on you, scrounger.

No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

Where have I said anything like that then? I think you need to read the thread again. I said i don't want to claim JSA as i don't want to be put under pressure to get any job and instead want to get a job to continue my career in my field of work. How is that sitting on my arse?

Do you not see that housing benefit is paid for by everyone else then ?

Of course, me too, I've been in work for the last 12 years. You understand it is wilfully paid to help people in the community when they are unemployed right? Well thats me.

Why do you think id dont deserve the same help as someone who doesnt kiss a female? Your opinion is flawed.

Working for 12 years!!! Do you expect me to say well done ? Do you know how much public services, state pensions, and others community things actually cost ? And for e record it's far more than your personal tax payments during 12 years!!!!

Here's a challenge for you then, put your real name and address on here and let's see what happens to your benefit application

whatever, i've wasted enough of my time on you, scrounger.

So you realise your mistake. Good.

If i was a scrounger I would take the £80 a week JSA. However instead i will claim the £50 a week housing that I am morally entitled to.

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No there's a difference between someone who is actitvy looking for work and someone who openly admitted that he's sitting on his arse until the right time.

Personal responsibility seems to go out if the window with far too many in this country

Where have I said anything like that then? I think you need to read the thread again. I said i don't want to claim JSA as i don't want to be put under pressure to get any job and instead want to get a job to continue my career in my field of work. How is that sitting on my arse?

Do you not see that housing benefit is paid for by everyone else then ?

Of course, me too, I've been in work for the last 12 years. You understand it is wilfully paid to help people in the community when they are unemployed right? Well thats me.

Why do you think id dont deserve the same help as someone who doesnt kiss a female? Your opinion is flawed.

Working for 12 years!!! Do you expect me to say well done ? Do you know how much public services, state pensions, and others community things actually cost ? And for e record it's far more than your personal tax payments during 12 years!!!!

Here's a challenge for you then, put your real name and address on here and let's see what happens to your benefit application

You don't even know what you are arguing anymore do you?

I will ask the question again...

"You understand it is wilfully paid to help people in the community when they are unemployed right? Well thats me.

Why do you think id dont deserve the same help as someone who doesnt kiss a female? Your opinion is flawed"

But it's not wilfully paid if you can't be arsed to work FFS!!!

I tell you what, you criticise people who 'flip burgers' yet you dont know what paying tax is about

But it's not wilfully paid if you can't be arsed to work FFS!!!

I tell you what, you criticise people who 'flip burgers' yet you dont know what paying tax is about

You arent making sense now Adam. Monies are wilfully paid by society to a fund which sole purpose is to help people financially when out of work... Thats me now. I have asked you why i am less entitled to this because i kiss a woman. You repeatedly ignored it.

What? Where have I said I cant be arsed to work? Ive said the exact opposite, i wish to get a job to continue my career. Where do you see anything about not being arsed to work? You have made it up out of thin air. You haven't read this thread have you?

Where have I criticised people who flip burgers? I said i wouldn't do it.

Talk sense now good boy. No wonder you got ruined as a politician.

I couldn't accept he pay cut if I continued to be in local politics however are you waiting for the right job to come along ? Yes as you have stated that meaning that the job may never come along so in the meantime you want to spounge off the rest of us. That is a fact!!!

My personal opinion is that unless special circumstances then no one should receive a single penny in benefits and that would deffinately people who are waiting for that so-called special job. If that means that you have to live in smaller living accommodation then so be it.

Your comment about kissing a girl by far the worst wind up attempt I've seen on here in a long while.

Have to say I agree with Adam on this one. Its this sort of 'Im not just doing any job' attitude why we need so many immigrants to enter the country to do the jobs people like yourself wont do because you think you're above them. I'm so glad I'm moving to a country where income and corp. tax is 10% and people like yourself either work for their living or tough luck. People like yourself deserve it cause if you cant be bothered to look after yourself then why should every other hard working bugger foot the bill? As usual, it'll be the hard working SME's and middle class workers who'll get taxed to high hell whilst people like yourself reap the benefit and the very rich get tax reliefs by their friends in power. The country has gone to the dogs.

Where have I criticised people who flip burgers? I said i wouldn't do it.

Why? You're not entitled to anything in this life. If you don't want to work for it then you don't get it either. If the job centre offer you a job flipping burgers and you say no I hope they set fire to your application there and then and tell you to go do one. Its what you deserve.

I couldn't accept he pay cut if I continued to be in local politics however are you waiting for the right job to come along ? Yes as you have stated that meaning that the job may never come along so in the meantime you want to spounge off the rest of us. That is a fact!!!

My personal opinion is that unless special circumstances then no one should receive a single penny in benefits and that would deffinately people who are waiting for that so-called special job. If that means that you have to live in smaller living accommodation then so be it.

Your comment about kissing a girl by far the worst wind up attempt I've seen on here in a long while.

Im not waiting for anything to come along. Im going out and going to the jobs. Thats the premise of benefits Adam, i thought you would know that. If you dont get a job you remain on benefits. Do you reckon im going to be sat back smoking cigars on £50 a week?

Im not waiting for a "special job" im looking for a job in my field of work. Im a teacher.

How is it a wind up? You think its ok for someone single to claim this benefit in my situation but dont think its ok for me because i kiss a woman. Im asking why they are related.

Feel free to answer.

Where have I criticised people who flip burgers? I said i wouldn't do it.

Why? You're not entitled to anything in this life. If you don't want to work for it then you don't get it either. If the job centre offer you a job flipping burgers and you say no I hope they set fire to your application there and then and tell you to go do one. Its what you deserve.

Because i don't want to be a burger flipper. Simple as that. The job centre wont offer me a job because I am looking for the jobs on my own terms.

I teach the youth of our country young man. I deserve a medal.

I couldn't accept he pay cut if I continued to be in local politics however are you waiting for the right job to come along ? Yes as you have stated that meaning that the job may never come along so in the meantime you want to spounge off the rest of us. That is a fact!!!

My personal opinion is that unless special circumstances then no one should receive a single penny in benefits and that would deffinately people who are waiting for that so-called special job. If that means that you have to live in smaller living accommodation then so be it.

Your comment about kissing a girl by far the worst wind up attempt I've seen on here in a long while.

Im not waiting for anything to come along. Im going out and going to the jobs. Thats the premise of benefits Adam, i thought you would know that. If you dont get a job you remain on benefits. Do you reckon im going to be sat back smoking cigars on £50 a week?

Im not waiting for a "special job" im looking for a job in my field of work. Im a teacher.

How is it a wind up? You think its ok for someone single to claim this benefit in my situation but dont think its ok for me because i kiss a woman. Im asking why they are related.

Feel free to answer.

So how you registered with all the teaching agencies then ? If so what's your full name and address and I'll get someone to call you next week if you want

I couldn't accept he pay cut if I continued to be in local politics however are you waiting for the right job to come along ? Yes as you have stated that meaning that the job may never come along so in the meantime you want to spounge off the rest of us. That is a fact!!!

My personal opinion is that unless special circumstances then no one should receive a single penny in benefits and that would deffinately people who are waiting for that so-called special job. If that means that you have to live in smaller living accommodation then so be it.

Your comment about kissing a girl by far the worst wind up attempt I've seen on here in a long while.

Im not waiting for anything to come along. Im going out and going to the jobs. Thats the premise of benefits Adam, i thought you would know that. If you dont get a job you remain on benefits. Do you reckon im going to be sat back smoking cigars on £50 a week?

Im not waiting for a "special job" im looking for a job in my field of work. Im a teacher.

How is it a wind up? You think its ok for someone single to claim this benefit in my situation but dont think its ok for me because i kiss a woman. Im asking why they are related.

Feel free to answer.

So how you registered with all the teaching agencies then ? If so what's your full name and address and I'll get someone to call you next week if you want

I have indeed registered with the teaching agencies. So like i say, im not going on JSA and being forced to go for interviews for McDonalds. I will happily take less and get help with my housing instead taken from the money I have paid in for over a decade. The fact I kiss a woman doesnt come into it for me so if i have to say im single I will. If you dont like that - tough.

I couldn't accept he pay cut if I continued to be in local politics however are you waiting for the right job to come along ? Yes as you have stated that meaning that the job may never come along so in the meantime you want to spounge off the rest of us. That is a fact!!!

My personal opinion is that unless special circumstances then no one should receive a single penny in benefits and that would deffinately people who are waiting for that so-called special job. If that means that you have to live in smaller living accommodation then so be it.

Your comment about kissing a girl by far the worst wind up attempt I've seen on here in a long while.

Im not waiting for anything to come along. Im going out and going to the jobs. Thats the premise of benefits Adam, i thought you would know that. If you dont get a job you remain on benefits. Do you reckon im going to be sat back smoking cigars on £50 a week?

Im not waiting for a "special job" im looking for a job in my field of work. Im a teacher.

How is it a wind up? You think its ok for someone single to claim this benefit in my situation but dont think its ok for me because i kiss a woman. Im asking why they are related.

Feel free to answer.

So how you registered with all the teaching agencies then ? If so what's your full name and address and I'll get someone to call you next week if you want

I have indeed registered with the teaching agencies. So like i say, im not going on JSA and being forced to go for interviews for McDonalds. I will happily take less and get help with my housing instead taken from the money I have paid in for over a decade. The fact I kiss a woman doesnt come into it for me so if i have to say im single I will. If you dont like that - tough.

So who have you register with then and what's your name and address so that I can get them to ring you on Monday