" You can't have it all..... "

Ive spent all my life watching City from Scoular onwards, mostly poor teams or not so poor teams doing better in lower divisions.
All the time dreaming of playing in the First Division...even a top team at home in the Cup 3rd round every few years.

And last year - we actually had it and I loved it. Seeing those teams every week at home and away.

I want to go back to that division, whatever the manager, tactics or colour of kit.

Ive spent all my life watching City from Scoular onwards, mostly poor teams or not so poor teams doing better in lower divisions.
All the time dreaming of playing in the First Division...even a top team at home in the Cup 3rd round every few years.

And last year - we actually had it and I loved it. Seeing those teams every week at home and away.

I want to go back to that division, whatever the manager, tactics or colour of kit.

No offence, but why don't you follow a club like Man United if success means more to you than history and identity?

Ive spent all my life watching City from Scoular onwards, mostly poor teams or not so poor teams doing better in lower divisions.
All the time dreaming of playing in the First Division...even a top team at home in the Cup 3rd round every few years.

And last year - we actually had it and I loved it. Seeing those teams every week at home and away.

I want to go back to that division, whatever the manager, tactics or colour of kit.

No offence, but why don't you follow a club like Man United if success means more to you than history and identity?

In fairness to 'Barry boy' he supports his local team and if he has supported the club all these years and enjoyed our season amongst the countries elite, I don't think it's fair to critises him.
I feel it's quite rare on this board for people with a slightly different opinion to the more vocal posters to air their views so we shouldn't question their loyalty.

Spot on! Yes people can still moan the tram playing shit but that's the way we are going now for our identity being reinstated, tan will and always will be damned if he does and damned if he doesnt

Ive spent all my life watching City from Scoular onwards, mostly poor teams or not so poor teams doing better in lower divisions.
All the time dreaming of playing in the First Division...even a top team at home in the Cup 3rd round every few years.

And last year - we actually had it and I loved it. Seeing those teams every week at home and away.

I want to go back to that division, whatever the manager, tactics or colour of kit.

No offence, but why don't you follow a club like Man United if success means more to you than history and identity?

I watch & follow Barry Town as much as I watch Cardiff .... their recent history with owners, stadium and colour of kit mirrors that of Cardiff and even more so. Supporters Club run, of which I am a member.
I am a member of both City and Town supporters clubs.
And when both of these are not playing I go to Llantwit Major, Cardiff Corries or Ely Rangers. None are successful or are likely to be.

Ive been thinking,why cant we have our true identity and a chairman who backs our club? Why does it have to be,if you accept your identity to be changed,I will back the club?

Other clubs dont get that problem.

I was a kid during the Grogan years, perhaps different times, but he never looked like he was in it just for profit or rip us off. But, since him we just seem to attract "wrong un's"....Ricky Wright got us going again, why did he go ? Don't think I was in it for the club politics in those days.

Anyway, my attitude is we were lower championship when i joined the madhouse, hit rock bottom and have found our level. I have enjoyed the ride, but never really enjoyed the premier league. I want rid of all the over paid stars who got us relegated, ole sacked and see if tommy o'Sullivan is good enough, should declan be given the left midfield slot, is Rhys Healy the next Chopra, will Joe mason develop like I believe into a decent striker.

We messed up with Hudson, he should have been groomed for our next manager. But keep Whitts and Turner (capt) as the older heads and get young (local) hungry lads in......

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

I don't think the two are linked at all.

Huge cut back don't bother me at all. But we need a manager who can manage be that with expensive players or cheaper players. Slade to me lacks everything a manager needs at any level.

We were shit in red and are now shit in blue. I for one would rather be shit in blue then good in red.

Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.

Annis when did you start to think that? Was it when we turned to red? When Tan got rid of TG? From the start?

Unfortunately we cannot have our cake and eat it, Tan for all his faults has to bring financial stability to this club, he spent big in the Premier League gamble and failed, he brought in a lot of good quality players on the advice of the previous manager to try and get an immediate return to the Premier League and that has failed.
Now he has to cut costs dramatically under FFP, Slade is here now and has to be given until the end of the season to clear out all the big earners and hopefully get in a couple more players that will as a prority keep us in this division(all hopes of a play off place have gone).
Look at teams like Bournemouth and Ipswich who have no money, it shows that under the right manager who is given time to build his own team can achieve success.
We need to support Slade and the team, the boys are back in blue, I will be going to the Reading game and renewing my ST whatever division we are in as will many.

Where has this info about Bournemouth having no money come from? They have a transfer record of 2.5 million on a player last season. That's hardly skint territory.

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

Hear hear gav, i want us to cut our cloth the way all clubs should be run its years of abuse thats got us in the (RED).
We back blue now and fans still want more yet if we are all honest the cost cutting was going on way before the rebrand reverse and we was always changing back due to the 23 other clubs in the league agreeing to it ten days before the reverse of the rebrand.
It does make me wonder how fans are moaning one minute about why we are selling players and the next want tan out they have only ever known championship football and have no idea what it was like years ago. Fans these days are spoilt brats.

Id rather 11 players fighting on the pitch even if there called bilbore baggins in league 2 over a team of lazy overpaid dont give a toss players which we have many of them at the club along with a manager who was employed to nod and cut costs in my opinion otherwise he wouldnt be here over a better manager on paper which was linked with us

Whilst I agree, I also slightly disagree. Its great that we're back in blue and cutting costs but that does not remove the fact that Slade really hasn't got a clue at this level.

'I would rather play in blue in League 2 than spend another day in red'

That was the phrase that was continually repeated on this message board for the last couple of years.
Well that's exactly what we are going to get, Slade is selling off the players he can and buying a makeshift team on what appears to be a tight budget.

Malone, sold by Holloway because he was part of a leaky defence.
Reveal was out of contract at Rotherham.
This Peltier coming in to potentially replace Brayford who maybe on his way out. (Why not bring kev back)
Le Fondre according to Carl, maybe about to move on.
We all know the Marshall rumours....

Some of the above has happened, some in speculative, I'm just making the point that, this is the way it is as part of a football club without financial handouts from a billionaire owner.

Many wanted Tan out, or said f**k investment just give us our blue back.

Well the cynic in my is saying that Tan has put in place a manager he can control, and we'd better get used to penny pinching and selling players considered assets.
(Not that it has happened yet)

We have been lucky so far that nobody has come in our more reliable players (do we have any?) It wouldn't surprise me to see a good few young players or on the flip side championship journeymen arriving at the club in the next couple of seasons.


None of our players look ready for a relegation battle, not enough heart, let's hope the fans are!

Are we as a club now starring into the abyss, no investment, mountains of debt to an owner scorned and a relegation battle a real possibility???

Time for the fans to step up to the plate, wonder how many will pay a tenner for a Reading ticket?






Be careful what you wish for........

sometimes you can't have it all. though i thought the whole point of having a billionaire owner was to have a good level of investment in the club and players. randy lerner has scaled back the investment in villa because he wants to sell the club, is the same happening here? historically, cutting costs on this scale is usually a precursor to putting the club on the market.

even with the blue, i don't see a medium term future with tan. i think he's waiting for a certain price to be met and he'll sell gladly.

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I may have misunderstood?

But I ain't happier now playing rubbish Championship football than I was last season playing rubbish Premier League football.

Hear hear gav, i want us to cut our cloth the way all clubs should be run its years of abuse thats got us in the (RED).
We back blue now and fans still want more yet if we are all honest the cost cutting was going on way before the rebrand reverse and we was always changing back due to the 23 other clubs in the league agreeing to it ten days before the reverse of the rebrand.
It does make me wonder how fans are moaning one minute about why we are selling players and the next want tan out they have only ever known championship football and have no idea what it was like years ago. Fans these days are spoilt brats.

Id rather 11 players fighting on the pitch even if there called bilbore baggins in league 2 over a team of lazy overpaid dont give a toss players which we have many of them at the club along with a manager who was employed to nod and cut costs in my opinion otherwise he wouldnt be here over a better manager on paper which was linked with us

You know it's bad when Bluebird1977 is telling people to stop moaning

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I'm writing the prem off. Getting there as an unrecognisable cardiff city was pointless. Best thing we did was get relegated otherwise we'd still be red!

I think the last couple of years will be a classic case of what might have been. Yes we did have a season in the top that we all dreamed of when we were in the dungeon years but not everyone enjoyed it like they thought they would. Tan arrived like a messiah to some if he could have only listened to someone with good football knowledge we could have been a sustainable premiership team but more importantly a united support group.
Great were back in blue but this offloading of largely untried expensive signings and non playing of big earners is getting daft. It does look like the appointment of slade is a bad one. Would love to proven wrong. I don't want it all but like many fans who have seen the real bad days football wise is it too much to want another stab at the top league this time in our true guise

I think the last couple of years will be a classic case of what might have been. Yes we did have a season in the top that we all dreamed of when we were in the dungeon years but not everyone enjoyed it like they thought they would. Tan arrived like a messiah to some if he could have only listened to someone with good football knowledge we could have been a sustainable premiership team but more importantly a united support group.
Great were back in blue but this offloading of largely untried expensive signings and non playing of big earners is getting daft. It does look like the appointment of slade is a bad one. Would love to proven wrong. I don't want it all but like many fans who have seen the real bad days football wise is it too much to want another stab at the top league this time in our true guise

Well said.

Gavin, I went to Norwich & Boro and the football continues to be dire under Slade,but I felt proud again to watch my club in Blue their rightful identity,what Tan took of us in the first place. As to the football, from day one has been dire under Slade anyway, so I dont understand your statement?

The Club will never be right or run properly by the current Regime anyway,my opinion has never changed on that matter.

Spot on there Annis ...... the management / directors / executives involved with CCFC have not got a clue about football in general let alone run a Championship club , as you say the football under Slade is dire and its all down to him and ALL of his coaching staff . That said Solskjaer was totally inept and his legacy remains plus , even though we won the Championship . the football under Malky was boring / terrible to watch too , way too defensive and little wonder we got relegated last season . Where do we go from here ?

Fans used to say onwards and upwards ..... at the mo its onwards

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I'm writing the prem off. Getting there as an unrecognisable cardiff city was pointless. Best thing we did was get relegated otherwise we'd still be red!

Correct. It was the relegation and subsequent struggles in the championship that got the majority moaning about the rebrand.

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I'm writing the prem off. Getting there as an unrecognisable cardiff city was pointless. Best thing we did was get relegated otherwise we'd still be red!

Correct. It was the relegation and subsequent struggles in the championship that got the majority moaning about the rebrand.

I wouldn't care what league we were in (within reason). just happy to see us back in blue and an (almost) united fanbase

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I may have misunderstood?

But I ain't happier now playing rubbish Championship football than I was last season playing rubbish Premier League football.

So playing against the likes of Man United in red is better than watching the real Cardiff City in blue?

I would take what we have now over our Premier League season in red, any day.

I can't agree with that Statement. For many reaching the Premier League was the greatest achievement in our living/supporting memory yet some are willing to just write it off. You've got to be talking crap if you genuinely would rather see your team play lower league stuff than being the best they possibly can be. The Premier League is the pinnacle of football in this country. FFS can you really say (if you went to home and away games last season) that you didn't get the ultimate buzz being there with your team.

You've completely misread what I've said. I didn't say "I'd rather see my team play lower league stuff than be the best we can be". I clearly implied that I'd rather we were in blue, the real Cardiff City, than become a successful club that I don't recognise. I want this club to be the best team in the world, but identity/heritage/history comes first, always. I'm much happier now as a Cardiff City fan than I was this time last year, aren't you?

Read carefully next time.

I may have misunderstood?

But I ain't happier now playing rubbish Championship football than I was last season playing rubbish Premier League football.

So playing against the likes of Man United in red is better than watching the real Cardiff City in blue?

Cardiff city is bigger than just the colour of the shirts.
Yes I and most of the fans didn't want the red and wanted a return to blue, but to say Cardiff in blue is the real Cardiff is a bit of a sweeping statement.
I am surprised that some wanted us to be relegated because of the shirt colour.
I think you may find the silent majority would prefer to be in the Premier league for just a bit longer to get established.