"This is the lowest ebb Cardiff City have been in 20 years"

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

The best time to have stood shoulder to shoulder together was two and a half years ago when the supporters should have politely but firmly said no to the rebrand. Unfortunately, due to apathy, the 'red or dead' lie and I'm afraid greed, Cardiff has been left with a soulless shell of a football club.

It's a great shame. Because of the behaviour of many Cardiff fans and a megalomaniac we've lost something very important to the fabric of our city.

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

The best time to have stood shoulder to shoulder together was two and a half years ago when the supporters should have politely but firmly said no to the rebrand. Unfortunately, due to apathy, the 'red or dead' lie and I'm afraid greed, Cardiff has been left with a soulless shell of a football club.

It's a great shame. Because of the behaviour of many Cardiff fans and a megalomaniac we've lost something very important to the fabric of our city.

I don't think that Cardiff fans should be giving themselves such a hard time over accepting the rebrand, most other supporters of clubs a similar size and position would have reluctantly accepted it, especially when the current board pushed for it and did everything to make sure that they made it known that the club would die if they passed up the offer. I see some on here asking would the likes of clubs like West Ham or Leeds or Rangers fans accept it, but those are poor comparisons anyway as those clubs are steeped in history and are massive clubs, we were never at that level. The important thing now is learning from our mistakes and getting back our club again, if that means going back some steps before going forward then so be it

Dinosaur football from a dinosaur of a manager. On-going incompetence on and off the pitch. Club history and traditions destroyed. A Cardiff City stadium empty of home supporters is the only chance for any change.

Hate to have to say it but I now absolutely agree.

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

The best time to have stood shoulder to shoulder together was two and a half years ago when the supporters should have politely but firmly said no to the rebrand. Unfortunately, due to apathy, the 'red or dead' lie and I'm afraid greed, Cardiff has been left with a soulless shell of a football club.

It's a great shame. Because of the behaviour of many Cardiff fans and a megalomaniac we've lost something very important to the fabric of our city.

Agree again never did I accept the rebrand the repocusions of it many of us new from the start. If my club had gone to the wall then so be it afterall face it what have we got anyway its not ccfc is it.

Many times city have been in financial trouble but came through us fans always had to put up with it.tan offered us a debt free club to play in red it could only happen to us.
The temptations came to much for the majority and they accepted the offer on trust.

You cant blame people they thought they were saving the club .the good thing is those people now no they made the wrong decision.
The worry now is if a buyer comes in and I mean if and the say we'll change back to blue us fans will be blinkered again.

Ccfc has always never had much good fortune the fans have put up with some shit hopefully we get some long awaited good fortune but the lessons must be learnt that ccfc is a blue club with a bluebird on the badge and that should never of changed now or ever for no amount of money shame people didn't see it from the start.

The other way of looking at it is if vt stuck to his pledge a red club debt free would you now be happy because thats what the majority wanted.?

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

The best time to have stood shoulder to shoulder together was two and a half years ago when the supporters should have politely but firmly said no to the rebrand. Unfortunately, due to apathy, the 'red or dead' lie and I'm afraid greed, Cardiff has been left with a soulless shell of a football club.

It's a great shame. Because of the behaviour of many Cardiff fans and a megalomaniac we've lost something very important to the fabric of our city.

I don't think that Cardiff fans should be giving themselves such a hard time over accepting the rebrand, most other supporters of clubs a similar size and position would have reluctantly accepted it, especially when the current board pushed for it and did everything to make sure that they made it known that the club would die if they passed up the offer. I see some on here asking would the likes of clubs like West Ham or Leeds or Rangers fans accept it, but those are poor comparisons anyway as those clubs are steeped in history and are massive clubs, we were never at that level. The important thing now is learning from our mistakes and getting back our club again, if that means going back some steps before going forward then so be it

I think those that embraced the rebrand need to take a look at themselves, especially long standing fans. I think the shoulder shrugging apathy of the majority of Cardiff City fans was also a big disappointment.

As for the board (at that time) making it known that "the club would die if they passed up the offer," I think that's a bit of selective memory! Only Borley (who had vested interests) was squealing 'red or dead.' Alan Whiteley wasn't saying that at all and tbf neither were the Malaysians. So let's not rewrite history too much.

I'm not sure whether supporters of similar sized clubs would have accepted the rebrand so readily. The staunch resistance shown by Hull City fans right from the off against there threatened rebranding, with similar dark threats from their owner, being a case in point. I think in Cardiff we almost had the perfect storm for a rebrand - a club with a lot of comparatively new fans with little historic baggage (AV gates pretty much doubled between 2005-2010. A sizeable number of long suffering older fans who desperately wanted to see City have one last stab at the big time in their lifetime. Several narrow promotion misses. Biggest rivals the jacks already in the PL. All the factors were there and Tan quite understandably felt he could at least float the rebrand idea. He probably still can't believe that there was so little resistance in the early days.

I am going to hold my hands up here and say I was one of those who bought into the re-brand. I felt that we as a club could move forward with the money on offer and be a regular top 10 premiership side. Unfortunately the re-brand hasnt worked. It has been divisive and, potentially as a result, our performance has suffered. Relegation followed, and this year has been less than inspiring. I personally dont enjoy my football anymore.

As a photographer I regularly get asked to cover matches in the NW. Ive done more matches at Man City, United, Burnley, Everton and Liverpool than ever before and they have been good to watch and photograph. The agency I work for recognise that Cardiff is my club, and that I provide images to them, and that I may prefer to go to the Cardiff City Stadium instead but, in recent weeks, I just havent felt the same buzz as I used to.

Perhaps now, more than ever, the words of "I'll be there" are more important than ever. It is a song about hardship. About life in the coal mining communities. A song about a greater struggle and how, as comrades, we should all stand together. To me at least this song captivates many of the issues at the moment. I dont know whether others agree?

The best time to have stood shoulder to shoulder together was two and a half years ago when the supporters should have politely but firmly said no to the rebrand. Unfortunately, due to apathy, the 'red or dead' lie and I'm afraid greed, Cardiff has been left with a soulless shell of a football club.

It's a great shame. Because of the behaviour of many Cardiff fans and a megalomaniac we've lost something very important to the fabric of our city.

I don't think that Cardiff fans should be giving themselves such a hard time over accepting the rebrand, most other supporters of clubs a similar size and position would have reluctantly accepted it, especially when the current board pushed for it and did everything to make sure that they made it known that the club would die if they passed up the offer. I see some on here asking would the likes of clubs like West Ham or Leeds or Rangers fans accept it, but those are poor comparisons anyway as those clubs are steeped in history and are massive clubs, we were never at that level. The important thing now is learning from our mistakes and getting back our club again, if that means going back some steps before going forward then so be it

I think those that embraced the rebrand need to take a look at themselves, especially long standing fans. I think the shoulder shrugging apathy of the majority of Cardiff City fans was also a big disappointment.

As for the board (at that time) making it known that "the club would die if they passed up the offer," I think that's a bit of selective memory! Only Borley (who had vested interests) was squealing 'red or dead.' Alan Whiteley wasn't saying that at all and tbf neither were the Malaysians. So let's not rewrite history too much.

I'm not sure whether supporters of similar sized clubs would have accepted the rebrand so readily. The staunch resistance shown by Hull City fans right from the off against there threatened rebranding, with similar dark threats from their owner, being a case in point. I think in Cardiff we almost had the perfect storm for a rebrand - a club with a lot of comparatively new fans with little historic baggage (AV gates pretty much doubled between 2005-2010. A sizeable number of long suffering older fans who desperately wanted to see City have one last stab at the big time in their lifetime. Several narrow promotion misses. Biggest rivals the jacks already in the PL. All the factors were there and Tan quite understandably felt he could at least float the rebrand idea. He probably still can't believe that there was so little resistance in the early days.

Agree with your statement about the long suffering older fans.

I read so many claiming "I've waited 40/50 years for premier football". When other fans of other clubs claim we sold out for premier football I find it so difficult to defend against.

Basically we were up against it an I personally feel we did well not to give in.