Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:08 pm
Just have to see how Real Madrid get on away at Bournemouth
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:08 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:SwampCCFC wrote:1899 wrote:The weird appointment of Slade was the final part of Tan's goal to achieve complete control over the club. A lower league journeyman promoted way above his grade and his side-kick rejected by Port Talbot Town will not be challenging the leader's wishes anytime soon.
The downside for Tan is you get what you pay for. Slade can only view games like Rotherham as Division 1 relegation dogfights. Players like Morrison or Daehli who possess any skill are consigned to the bench. If his rigid 4-4-2 isn't working, he can only think of replacing one like for like striker with another.
Its going to be a long season.
what about craig noone who plays regularly?
its obvious that even if slade got us promoted, there would be people on here whining about how we're not playing like barcelona. against the odds, he's done very well, and deserves better than sniping, spiteful crap like this.
The results have gone in his favour but lets be honest here the performances have been questionable.
There is a long way to go yet and if the result start reflecting the performances well we might find ourselves in a different fight.
but if the performances were good, but results bad, people would be saying its a results business and he has to go. you cannot have it both ways.
the performances have been average, but as a short term job of stabilising a club that was on the slide, he's done the first part of the job which was to stave off the threat of relegation and get back in the mix for the play offs.
people want him to fail because he is tans man, and spiteful crap like what I've seen in this thread is what i've come to expect on here.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:12 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:1899 wrote:The weird appointment of Slade was the final part of Tan's goal to achieve complete control over the club. A lower league journeyman promoted way above his grade and his side-kick rejected by Port Talbot Town will not be challenging the leader's wishes anytime soon.
The downside for Tan is you get what you pay for. Slade can only view games like Rotherham as Division 1 relegation dogfights. Players like Morrison or Daehli who possess any skill are consigned to the bench. If his rigid 4-4-2 isn't working, he can only think of replacing one like for like striker with another.
Its going to be a long season.
what about craig noone who plays regularly?
its obvious that even if slade got us promoted, there would be people on here whining about how we're not playing like barcelona. against the odds, he's done very well, and deserves better than sniping, spiteful crap like this.
I don't see why it's against the odds. He's got a large squad with some decent players to choose from. I think he deserves a chance and needs to be given some time, but impressions so far are that we are playing the same style of football that we used to when we were in Div 3 & Div 2. It makes me wonder if Slade is up to managing at this level, or if his style of football is best suited to the lower leagues.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:15 pm
I think Slade reads this Forum
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 40248.aspx“People speak about the 4-4-2 formation a lot, but it’s not what it used to be. A 4-4-2 in the 1970s compared to the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 shape that sides use now is very, very different, with your wide players rolling in, attacking full-backs, one sitting midfielder and one attacking midfielder, plus another player in what we now call the ‘number 10’ role. It’s a very fluid system and I think Real Madrid have made their way to the latter stages of the Champions League with maximum points using that shape."
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:23 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Cardiff nesia wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Mmmm so now you are all hoping city lose sat just to have a laugh? But not one of you will retract what you have said if we win? Pathetic fans

What on earth made you say that ??

Take a look at above comments? slagging off Slade and laughing at his comments as if they are gods gift to football management!! Then try to tie tan into arguement again! Suppose to be city fans?? Their having a laugh!!

I agree with you, although it is a wild quote!! people want him to fail because of the politics! I hope he is taking his hat off tomorrow after the final whistle. He behind slade and our team tomorrow like we did at Watford.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:04 pm
NIGELNIGLE wrote:I think Slade reads this Forum
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 40248.aspx“People speak about the 4-4-2 formation a lot, but it’s not what it used to be. A 4-4-2 in the 1970s compared to the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 shape that sides use now is very, very different, with your wide players rolling in, attacking full-backs, one sitting midfielder and one attacking midfielder, plus another player in what we now call the ‘number 10’ role. It’s a very fluid system and I think Real Madrid have made their way to the latter stages of the Champions League with maximum points using that shape."
It's a cop out. Real play with real fluidity, interchanging positions and adapting formation to suit opposition. Comfortable on the ball, no hoofing.
Slade plays a very rigid 4-4-2. There is no no 10, flat banks of four, always 2 strikers.
His only defense is that ole tried fluid, modern variations on 4-4-2, interchanging positons, changing formations during the game.
The players weren't up to it/ ole didn't succeed in implementing his style.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:08 pm
Tommy2 wrote:NIGELNIGLE wrote:I think Slade reads this Forum
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 40248.aspx“People speak about the 4-4-2 formation a lot, but it’s not what it used to be. A 4-4-2 in the 1970s compared to the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 shape that sides use now is very, very different, with your wide players rolling in, attacking full-backs, one sitting midfielder and one attacking midfielder, plus another player in what we now call the ‘number 10’ role. It’s a very fluid system and I think Real Madrid have made their way to the latter stages of the Champions League with maximum points using that shape."
It's a cop out. Real play with real fluidity, interchanging positions and adapting formation to suit opposition. Comfortable on the ball, no hoofing.
Slade plays a very rigid 4-4-2. There is no no 10, flat banks of four, always 2 strikers.
His only defense is that ole tried fluid, modern variations on 4-4-2, interchanging positons, changing formations during the game.
The players weren't up to it/ ole didn't succeed in implementing his style.
Against weaker opposition the fullbacks play the whole line, effectively spending most of the game as an attacker
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:22 pm
ThomasC wrote:Tommy2 wrote:NIGELNIGLE wrote:I think Slade reads this Forum
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 40248.aspx“People speak about the 4-4-2 formation a lot, but it’s not what it used to be. A 4-4-2 in the 1970s compared to the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 shape that sides use now is very, very different, with your wide players rolling in, attacking full-backs, one sitting midfielder and one attacking midfielder, plus another player in what we now call the ‘number 10’ role. It’s a very fluid system and I think Real Madrid have made their way to the latter stages of the Champions League with maximum points using that shape."
It's a cop out. Real play with real fluidity, interchanging positions and adapting formation to suit opposition. Comfortable on the ball, no hoofing.
Slade plays a very rigid 4-4-2. There is no no 10, flat banks of four, always 2 strikers.
His only defense is that ole tried fluid, modern variations on 4-4-2, interchanging positons, changing formations during the game.
The players weren't up to it/ ole didn't succeed in implementing his style.
Against weaker opposition the fullbacks play the whole line, effectively spending most of the game as an attacker
Yes, they have attacking fullbacks. A no 10, Ronaldo and James in free roles, inside forwards, no traditional holding midfielders. They exploit the pocket between midfield and the striker, we got no one there.
I don't think he means to say we play like real, but he seems to imply we play a modern varation of 4-4-2. But I have yet to see that. His 4-4-2 is very old fashioned in my opnion.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:35 pm
Tommy2 wrote:ThomasC wrote:Tommy2 wrote:NIGELNIGLE wrote:I think Slade reads this Forum
http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 40248.aspx“People speak about the 4-4-2 formation a lot, but it’s not what it used to be. A 4-4-2 in the 1970s compared to the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 shape that sides use now is very, very different, with your wide players rolling in, attacking full-backs, one sitting midfielder and one attacking midfielder, plus another player in what we now call the ‘number 10’ role. It’s a very fluid system and I think Real Madrid have made their way to the latter stages of the Champions League with maximum points using that shape."
It's a cop out. Real play with real fluidity, interchanging positions and adapting formation to suit opposition. Comfortable on the ball, no hoofing.
Slade plays a very rigid 4-4-2. There is no no 10, flat banks of four, always 2 strikers.
His only defense is that ole tried fluid, modern variations on 4-4-2, interchanging positons, changing formations during the game.
The players weren't up to it/ ole didn't succeed in implementing his style.
Against weaker opposition the fullbacks play the whole line, effectively spending most of the game as an attacker
Yes, they have attacking fullbacks. A no 10, Ronaldo and James in free roles, inside forwards, no traditional holding midfielders. They exploit the pocket between midfield and the striker, we got no one there.
I don't think he means to say we play like real, but he seems to imply we play a modern varation of 4-4-2. But I have yet to see that. His 4-4-2 is very old fashioned in my opnion.

yes Tom, very worrying if he honestly believes we play a fluid system. I hope he doesn't take the fans for fools, these kind of comments didn't matter so much at Orient. He's at a bigger club now and needs to wise up, my opinion of course
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:38 pm
Chant for tomorrow
We play like Madrid
We play like Madird
We're Cardiff City
We play like Madrid
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:46 pm
Gheorghe1927 wrote:Chant for tomorrow
We play like Madrid
We play like Madird
We're Cardiff City
We play like Madrid
Would be class!! Bring the old Cardiff City humour back
Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:14 pm
I agree we are just like Real Madrid
Our football at present is mouth watering
Just look at Rotherham game, we were amazing
Slade is right
Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:52 pm
it is like watch real madrid, only difference is.....no bale, ronaldo, ect. no fight no passion, they win nearly all the time, they win champions leagues, they win their league.....oh wait,
Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:26 pm
When the obvious choice was ignored and Russell Slade was appointed manager, I have to admit that I was bitterly disappointed, if only for the reason that here was a lower division run of the mill manager, about to get sacked by Leyton Orient, being put in charge of our multi million pound assembled team that desperately needed to get back to the premiership.
However, I convinced myself to give the man a chance as I thought he simply couldn't do any worse than Ole Gunnar Solksjar's chopping and changing . Alas, my worst fears were confirmed (or so I thought) as we stumbled to an embarrassing defeat at previously winless Blackpool ( please don't tell me he didn't take charge for this game - he did ! )
But, come the home game against Forest, and what a difference ! We actually set up with intent ! Peter Whittingham playing in a FORWARD ATTACKING midfield role !
I thought .... at last !...... someone with the common sense to put Whitts back to where he is at his most effective !
Back to where he can pepper the opposition goal at will, and most importantly, back to the position where he is at his most comfortable, because lets be fair, when he's off his game by being forced to play out of position, he's a liability.
Ipswich at home followed, with another impressive attacking display bringing 3 more crucial points. I was beginning to think Russell Slade WAS the man to get the best from the expensively assembled squad we had at our disposal. That was until the Millwall game away. He set us up way too defensively with Whitts and Gunnarson playing far too deep, creating a huge hole in the middle of the park that Millwall simply poured through. And even though we had our chances on the break, Millwall still managed to post a massive 21 shots against us ! I couldn't help thinking that if he'd stuck with the set up he'd used in the previous 2 home games we'd have got a result there.
Every game since that Millwall fixture Russell Slade has set us up way too defensively.
With Whittingham and Gunnarson almost turning our back four into a back six, even at home, watching teams coming at us in waves is unacceptable for the fans. We are simply inviting every team we play to attack us at will !
If we're honest, we were fortunate to beat both Leeds and Reading at home, and yes, we had a great result at Watford, but lets tell it as it is........ Watford had 71% of the game and a colossal 22 shots against us ! If it hadn't been for David Marshall and the woodwork we would have been hammered.
The football we are now playing under Slade and Young is very similar to local parks football. It definitely isn't 4-4-2, but more like 6-2-2 . We are constantly getting overrun in midfield because of the way Russell Slade is setting the team up and when we do have the ball, there is just no urgency from anyone other than the likes of Brayford and Noone.
It is absolutely soul destroying watching our back 6 passing to each other sideways and backwards, backwards and sideways, and sideways and backwards again, before the ball goes back to either David Marshall or Ben Turner to just aimlessly HOOF it 50yds downfield in the forlorn hope that somebody might get on the end of it !
Doesn't Russell Slade realise that we are creating next to nothing for our front men by playing this way ? What do they do in training ? Play keep ball all day ?
And then he comes out with an astonishing statement claiming that we play the same system as Real Madrid ! ........
Uhhh...... hello, Russell, NO WE DON'T MATE ! As far as I see it, we don't even HAVE a system !
We play with a much lower level of intensity than almost every team we come up against, never bothering to drive forward at pace to support our attacking players, whilst the opposition always seem able to do so throughout the game, so why not us ? And when our players do manage to get forward, just watch how they struggle to jog back as the opposition speed away. Since the Forest and Ipswich games at home, to me we seem to be at a constant disadvantage because of the ultra cautious way we are set up to play.
Maybe it's time for Russell Slade to come up and sit up with us in the middle of the Ninian stand and see the game from our perspective, because from where he stands on the touchline, he obviously can't and doesn't see what we see.
AS for the Bournemouth game tomorrow, I do think we can get a result there if we are positive in our outlook, but if he plays that ultra defensive 6-2-2 again with whittingham and gunnarson sitting too close to the back four, leaving those huge gaps in the middle of the park, then I fear our recent run of good luck could be at an end.
Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:35 pm
We might become the Real Madrid of the Championship if we got rid of Russell Slade!
Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:45 am
The thing is Real Madrid do not leave their quality flair players on the bench like we do. They always seem to fit them in, Bale & Ronaldo!
Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:47 am
pembroke allan wrote:Cardiff nesia wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Mmmm so now you are all hoping city lose sat just to have a laugh? But not one of you will retract what you have said if we win? Pathetic fans

What on earth made you say that ??

Take a look at above comments? slagging off Slade and laughing at his comments as if they are gods gift to football management!! Then try to tie tan into arguement again! Suppose to be city fans?? Their having a laugh!!

I think Slade needs to be more careful with his words. Most people wouldn't have taken this seriously, but the nature of the press is they will always distort when they can to get a reaction. I know you won't agree but perhaps it's an indication that he isn't up to the job ?