Tucker - After backing the rebrand was it worth it?

People like Tucker are part of the blame and more than backed the Rebrand and the same with media Wales

Spot on, Annis

I don't swear on here, but the guy Tucker is as low as a snake's belly so far as I am concerned

And that's the polite version!

He may be a tw*t and to blame annis but how many other twats do we all know in that case who backed it now either hate it or dont go anymore, thats just it he says "safeguarding the club itself into the future was the most vital thing" and a "Debt free club" as to why he accepted it. We are not any closer to either years on and why he dont think it was worth it which alot of people think the same in my opinion the write up in general is what most thought at the time.

Ian, there are some who not only backed,but led it and now say they were Blue all along

Theres loads of them on here

Only a few,the main 7 were banned

Nice one, Annis! Sticking to the facts rather than fiction, whether they be positive or otherwise!

Personally I feel now if we all had walked away we would have a red club and no turning back.

True Ian and the Red Brigade would of Won, it was important we kept the BLUE Alive

Disagree with you both there Annis. If every ST holder (or several thousand) had asked for a refund when the nonsense started, we'd never have turned red.

Don't forget; the rebrand was initially reversed when it looked the fans would oppose it. It wasn't until the media, Borley and Gwyn's cheerleaders got going with the Red or Dead line that the red idea was re-introduced. If we as a fan base had stood strong against the propaganda and fought for our identity and heritage, the rebrand wouldn't have happened and Tan wouldn't have pumped in (and wasted) so much money. OK, promotion to the PL may not have happened either but wouldn't we be in a better position now?

If only we could turn the clock back...........it breaks my heart.

Well if I recall right there was a list of 6,000 waiting for a ST when we got to the premier. It can be argued that if all present STs did not renew then they would have been replaced by a red brigade. That theory is not much off the mark as some would like to disbelieve.

I agree with you that we should have made a bigger stand at first against it. I was sickened how many didn't care and if there is an end to all of this then this is going to be the most difficult thing to shake off. While the likes of Borley are on the board then I feel these feelings held against people will remain. I used the term scab when all this broke out and got a few unsavoury comments from some. After 3 years they all understand the parallel now.

You never used to be this bitter Phil...get a grip.its only a colour.get back to living life ffs and ditch the negative people.

Bollocks Im sick of hearing its only a colour its not its everything Cardiff City is then and is now its are clubs identity and to be proud of its who we are its a belonging a passion all symbolized by the clubs colour and badge. Let me tell you it aint just a f*cking colour ok .
Some fans are hurting bad and if tan did it to any other club it would be no different. Its not just a colour its what makes us who we are or In fact who we were

Well put! It gets right up my nose when people say its only a colour! Thats like saying a flag is only a bit of cloth, or for Christians, the Bible is only a book! Many years ago medieval armies ripped the guts out of each other just to preserve their colours, their Standard. It was what identified them. Woe betide anyone who tried to intefere with these cherished insignia.

We true football supporters are just the same. What is our club if its not the name and the colours? Can anyone seriously imagine Celtic fans accepting a change to red without a fuss? Or Real Madrid aficionados happily endorsing their kit turning blue? I font think so somehow. As I said many times before if I wanted to watch a team in red I've got plenty to choose from. I just didnt want to go to Cardiff to do so!

You never used to be this bitter Phil...get a grip.its only a colour.get back to living life ffs and ditch the negative people.

Bollocks Im sick of hearing its only a colour its not its everything Cardiff City is then and is now its are clubs identity and to be proud of its who we are its a belonging a passion all symbolized by the clubs colour and badge. Let me tell you it aint just a f*cking colour ok .
Some fans are hurting bad and if tan did it to any other club it would be no different. Its not just a colour its what makes us who we are or In fact who we were

Well said.
I can only imagine this mr green guy is some sort of troll. He makes a statement for a wind up & then disappears.
No soul.

People like Tucker are part of the blame and more than backed the Rebrand and the same with media Wales

On the face of it, & if you didn't know the history of Tucker, WOL & the Echo, you would would say it was a good piece.
However, if you do know the above you can easily see the hypocrisy of it all.
It really angers me.

It's a good article, but it's written by a massive hypocrite. Tucker was part of the red brigade when it all started.

Agree with this, it's a good article, summing up the majority of fans but very hypocritical comming from the likes of tucker who was telling fans to embrace the red!!!

There are people I know who are exactly the same!! Bummed the rebrand when it happened, bought all the merchandise and are now saying they were always against it. I will admit a tolerated the rebrand for financial secruity, nothing else and it doesnt look like debt to equity is going to happen!!

It's a good article, but it's written by a massive hypocrite. Tucker was part of the red brigade when it all started.

Agree with this, it's a good article, summing up the majority of fans but very hypocritical comming from the likes of tucker who was telling fans to embrace the red!!!

There are people I know who are exactly the same!! Bummed the rebrand when it happened, bought all the merchandise and are now saying they were always against it. I will admit a tolerated the rebrand for financial secruity, nothing else and it doesnt look like debt to equity is going to happen!!

Yeah I know someone who bummed the red but now is claiming they were always blue.

It was his dog that was red though.

We are just as proud of Cardiff as any other fan is of their club. What happened is a disgrace, end of

the echo were pro rebrand at the time, and as the fans have slowly turned against the rebrand, the echo have followed suit because they know they will lose sales if they were consistent and continued to back the rebrand.

who cares what they think, they'll probably change their minds tomorrow

I am and always will be Blue, Never supported the Red, never bought anything with that stupid badge on.

I have had a season ticket for longer than I can remember and for the last 3 years have been in the Premier Lounge , with 2 years left on my contract for 8 tickets.
It really has got to the point now that I am struggling to go to the games. Boring Football, No Passion, wrong colour , that's just the team.

No atmosphere , stewards acting like the S.S. It's No Ninian Park that's for sure.

Its just become a joke , I remember times when I would change business meetings and make any excuse , just so I could get to the game. I am clinging on by my fingertips.

I really love CCFC , But Tan has destroyed the Club I knew and the never say die spirit we all used to share, no matter what.

Just change us back to Blue MrTan, give us our Bluebird back , get rid of the Beer mat badge .

Then we can all unite, and get back our pride and sense of belonging.

Personally I feel now if we all had walked away we would have a red club and no turning back.

True Ian and the Red Brigade would of Won, it was important we kept the BLUE Alive

Disagree with you both there Annis. If every ST holder (or several thousand) had asked for a refund when the nonsense started, we'd never have turned red.

Don't forget; the rebrand was initially reversed when it looked the fans would oppose it. It wasn't until the media, Borley and Gwyn's cheerleaders got going with the Red or Dead line that the red idea was re-introduced. If we as a fan base had stood strong against the propaganda and fought for our identity and heritage, the rebrand wouldn't have happened and Tan wouldn't have pumped in (and wasted) so much money. OK, promotion to the PL may not have happened either but wouldn't we be in a better position now?

If only we could turn the clock back...........it breaks my heart.

Your right " IF " a big IF and sadly that was never going to happen as thousands of new fans did not care and the hardcore rem was only 4,000 at max.
Also,I went to meeting after meeting to to protest but our numbers never grew,so without the numbers we were never going to succeed,plus at the same time Red or Dead lies were being spread,the threats were happening and at one stage us BLUE felt less and less. So we stood strong at the matches and even some were threatened then.

I am and always will be Blue, Never supported the Red, never bought anything with that stupid badge on.

I have had a season ticket for longer than I can remember and for the last 3 years have been in the Premier Lounge , with 2 years left on my contract for 8 tickets.
It really has got to the point now that I am struggling to go to the games. Boring Football, No Passion, wrong colour , that's just the team.

No atmosphere , stewards acting like the S.S. It's No Ninian Park that's for sure.

Its just become a joke , I remember times when I would change business meetings and make any excuse , just so I could get to the game. I am clinging on by my fingertips.

I really love CCFC , But Tan has destroyed the Club I knew and the never say die spirit we all used to share, no matter what.

Just change us back to Blue MrTan, give us our Bluebird back , get rid of the Beer mat badge .

Then we can all unite, and get back our pride and sense of belonging.

Steve,Another sad story of how we feel

He may be a tw*t and to blame annis but how many other twats do we all know in that case who backed it now either hate it or dont go anymore, thats just it he says "safeguarding the club itself into the future was the most vital thing" and a "Debt free club" as to why he accepted it. We are not any closer to either years on and why he dont think it was worth it which alot of people think the same in my opinion the write up in general is what most thought at the time.

Ian, there are some who not only backed,but led it and now say they were Blue all along

Theres loads of them on here

Unfortunately it was 98% of our attendance home to Brighton.

Ross,one of my worst nights of ever supporting City,I walked out in disgust.

Forget relegations and humiliating defeats, scarfgate was the night I felt like an away fan in my own stadium. It's by far the lowest and most distraught I have ever felt supporting City.

He may be a tw*t and to blame annis but how many other twats do we all know in that case who backed it now either hate it or dont go anymore, thats just it he says "safeguarding the club itself into the future was the most vital thing" and a "Debt free club" as to why he accepted it. We are not any closer to either years on and why he dont think it was worth it which alot of people think the same in my opinion the write up in general is what most thought at the time.

Ian, there are some who not only backed,but led it and now say they were Blue all along

Theres loads of them on here

Unfortunately it was 98% of our attendance home to Brighton.

Ross,one of my worst nights of ever supporting City,I walked out in disgust.

Forget relegations and humiliating defeats, scarfgate was the night I felt like an away fan in my own stadium. It's by far the lowest and most distraught I have ever felt supporting City.

Anyone who took a scarf that night played right into the hands of Tan. He took that as a message that the re-brand was accepted. Those who took one should take a long hard look at themselves because they let our history and traditions down.

Every single person who held up their free red scarf that night should hang their heads in shame. That night was the darkest hour for CCFC.

I still feel ashamed. Sell outs.

Every single person who held up their free red scarf that night should hang their heads in shame. That night was the darkest hour for CCFC.

I still feel ashamed. Sell outs.

The worst thing about that night was during the first half. I went for a piss and as I came out of the toilet stewards had left three or four boxes of scarfs unattended and there were around 15-20 full grown adults ripping into the boxes to get to the scarfs!!! I took a picture on my phone which I'll post later when I get a chance

Every single person who held up their free red scarf that night should hang their heads in shame. That night was the darkest hour for CCFC.

I still feel ashamed. Sell outs.

The worst thing about that night was during the first half. I went for a piss and as I came out of the toilet stewards had left three or four boxes of scarfs unattended and there were around 15-20 full grown adults ripping into the boxes to get to the scarfs!!! I took a picture on my phone which I'll post later when I get a chance

Sadly what this show is that some fans can be bought. In our case the majority of them.

Every single person who held up their free red scarf that night should hang their heads in shame. That night was the darkest hour for CCFC.

I still feel ashamed. Sell outs.

The worst thing about that night was during the first half. I went for a piss and as I came out of the toilet stewards had left three or four boxes of scarfs unattended and there were around 15-20 full grown adults ripping into the boxes to get to the scarfs!!! I took a picture on my phone which I'll post later when I get a chance

Sadly what this show is that some fans can be bought. In our case the majority of them.

Your right Ian, what was even worse was those that stayed BLUE, many were made to feel they were wrong and even threatened

Every single person who held up their free red scarf that night should hang their heads in shame. That night was the darkest hour for CCFC.

I still feel ashamed. Sell outs.

The worst thing about that night was during the first half. I went for a piss and as I came out of the toilet stewards had left three or four boxes of scarfs unattended and there were around 15-20 full grown adults ripping into the boxes to get to the scarfs!!! I took a picture on my phone which I'll post later when I get a chance

Sadly what this show is that some fans can be bought. In our case the majority of them.

Your right Ian, what was even worse was those that stayed BLUE, many were made to feel they were wrong and even threatened

Someone tried to bully me out but he turned out to be the biggest hypocritical Cardiff fan I've had the displeasure of knowing.

I love the rewriting of history.....WOL failed their duty as a regional paper, they never stuck up for the fans, organised things as only a local paper can. They wanted the money that Vinnie was promising, it all trickles down

We all have our own shame.....

Those who openly supported the rebrand
Those who still go (This is the 3rd season in red)
Those who bought season tickets
Those who bought the red shirt
Those who bought the blue shirt
Those who took the scarf

Why any of the above is greater than the other is privy to each individual person

I don't think looking at the stadium there are many reluctant reds - just disilussioned fans

Its caused so much debate and trouble hurt anger anguish sorrow and rivalry all in our own club.

Its now almost finished me a devoted fan of my beloved home time club to which ive been so proud of for 34 years.

Vincent tan has ruined Cardiff City hes broken me my club I love isnt this one and im gutted angry and sickened.

It needs fixing back to the way it was but one stands firm v t its like punishment now the mans a crock and an idiot.
No point blaming each other one mans at fault tan

spot on........

People talk some shite on here think they know best
f*cking hell its all about opinions
Tan went Red in season 1 when everyone already had bought the season tickets
Season 2 no one is going to give our 1st season in over 50 yrs a miss
Now season 3
This is the first real season accept the Red shite or not ?
Personally Tucker has got it bang on
Its been said to death
This aint really Cardiff City in red with the shite badge
Its killed the passion the hearts been ripped out of the most loyal follower
Anyone who is happy with Red is either a f*cking moron or a new under 8 follower which I can accept.
Its gonna be a few more years till Tan fucks off and then our club will be back the troops will return watch out
The bluebirds are back

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Steve Tucker responds to some rebrand questions.