who is going to renew ST

I've noticed SOME fans saying that they will renew under any circumstances, almost suggesting their loyalty is superior to others who are waivering. To me loyalty works both ways and the fact that tan has not reversed the discredited rebrand whilst increasing ticket prices is the ultimate act of contempt.

I won't renew next season irregardless of where we finish (inc promotion). He is losing so called diehard fans, and whilst he presides over a such a badly run club, he won't be attracting plastics. He's taking us for mugs.

No it bloody well doesn't and you are wrong to suggest that 'renewing' supporters are anything but loyal to CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB itself rather than some temporary owner!

As for "taking us for mugs"? Well, I guess that depends on any individual's perspective. Those who truly believe they were being "taken for mugs" actioned their right to 'walk away' some time ago. Don't necessarily agree with that, but I certainly respect it more than those that stayed and still 'claim' not to support what is going on!

I support the club and not some temporary owner, who will do what he wants no more or no less than any other owner in recent history (albeit one change so much more unpalatable than any we had seen before ) and for that reason I will renew my season ticket without regard for the agenda-filled people who forgot so easily where we nearly were!

Temporary Tan or no club to support??

Hmmm, let me think about that one for a minute!

You've completely misunderstood my point. I have never questioned the loyalty of renewing supporters, OR the ones who walked when the red was imposed. However, I understand that everyone has their tolerance limits.

I was one of the people who chose to campaign against the rebrand from within, because in the premiership, I would have been replaced by someone who was just grateful to be watching us play Man U et al, not the type to yearn for a past they were not involved with. I thought tan was capable of getting the message, but his stubbornness knows no limits. And I just don't enjoy it anymore.

You did make me laugh when you said that tan has done what he wants as much as previous owners.

Fair enough, fella, and I apologise if I took anything you believe in the wrong way

Not a problem

I have not renewed for the last 2 seasons and if things continue I have no intention.

I was 50/50 about walking but decided to stay. The reaction of the fans on scarfegate night made my mind up that I was going to walk. The rise of BU eased me a bit so I decided to continue but I had already set my mind about not renewing. I will now commit to a season ticket when we return to blue

If we are still red and with that badge then I am 100% not renewing . Ain't enjoying its no longer a drug but a chore TBH

Same here . Had a St for 10 years now . Simply not enjoyable for me anymore .

"Always renew, we are not blue!!" (well, except away)..
"Come rain, shine, where the sun don't shine, always renew!"
"Like a drug that makes you cry, that makes you scream, always renew"
"To get away from the missus, the loadsa work, always renew"
"To one day get back to blue...always renew"

I've noticed SOME fans saying that they will renew under any circumstances, almost suggesting their loyalty is superior to others who are waivering. To me loyalty works both ways and the fact that tan has not reversed the discredited rebrand whilst increasing ticket prices is the ultimate act of contempt.

I won't renew next season irregardless of where we finish (inc promotion). He is losing so called diehard fans, and whilst he presides over a such a badly run club, he won't be attracting plastics. He's taking us for mugs.

No it bloody well doesn't and you are wrong to suggest that 'renewing' supporters are anything but loyal to CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB itself rather than some temporary owner!

As for "taking us for mugs"? Well, I guess that depends on any individual's perspective. Those who truly believe they were being "taken for mugs" actioned their right to 'walk away' some time ago. Don't necessarily agree with that, but I certainly respect it more than those that stayed and still 'claim' not to support what is going on!

I support the club and not some temporary owner, who will do what he wants no more or no less than any other owner in recent history (albeit one change so much more unpalatable than any we had seen before ) and for that reason I will renew my season ticket without regard for the agenda-filled people who forgot so easily where we nearly were!

Temporary Tan or no club to support??

Hmmm, let me think about that one for a minute!

You've completely misunderstood my point. I have never questioned the loyalty of renewing supporters, OR the ones who walked when the red was imposed. However, I understand that everyone has their tolerance limits.

I was one of the people who chose to campaign against the rebrand from within, because in the premiership, I would have been replaced by someone who was just grateful to be watching us play Man U et al, not the type to yearn for a past they were not involved with. I thought tan was capable of getting the message, but his stubbornness knows no limits. And I just don't enjoy it anymore.

You did make me laugh when you said that tan has done what he wants as much as previous owners.

Think it was in reference to fact all previous owners were in it for what they can get out of club! And did it way they wanted to, in that respect tan is same but OK went a bit further in some respects!

I've noticed SOME fans saying that they will renew under any circumstances, almost suggesting their loyalty is superior to others who are waivering. To me loyalty works both ways and the fact that tan has not reversed the discredited rebrand whilst increasing ticket prices is the ultimate act of contempt.

I won't renew next season irregardless of where we finish (inc promotion). He is losing so called diehard fans, and whilst he presides over a such a badly run club, he won't be attracting plastics. He's taking us for mugs.

No it bloody well doesn't and you are wrong to suggest that 'renewing' supporters are anything but loyal to CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB itself rather than some temporary owner!

As for "taking us for mugs"? Well, I guess that depends on any individual's perspective. Those who truly believe they were being "taken for mugs" actioned their right to 'walk away' some time ago. Don't necessarily agree with that, but I certainly respect it more than those that stayed and still 'claim' not to support what is going on!

I support the club and not some temporary owner, who will do what he wants no more or no less than any other owner in recent history (albeit one change so much more unpalatable than any we had seen before ) and for that reason I will renew my season ticket without regard for the agenda-filled people who forgot so easily where we nearly were!

Temporary Tan or no club to support??

Hmmm, let me think about that one for a minute!

You've completely misunderstood my point. I have never questioned the loyalty of renewing supporters, OR the ones who walked when the red was imposed. However, I understand that everyone has their tolerance limits.

I was one of the people who chose to campaign against the rebrand from within, because in the premiership, I would have been replaced by someone who was just grateful to be watching us play Man U et al, not the type to yearn for a past they were not involved with. I thought tan was capable of getting the message, but his stubbornness knows no limits. And I just don't enjoy it anymore.

You did make me laugh when you said that tan has done what he wants as much as previous owners.

Think it was in reference to fact all previous owners were in it for what they can get out of club! And did it way they wanted to, in that respect tan is same but OK went a bit further in some respects!

Correct, Allan

And let's not forget that certain recent owner(s) only didn't go along with certain controversial plans solely because of fan pressure; lots of it thankfully from senior people on this Forum

The difference between him/them and Tan is that Tan's 'vision' rightly or wrongly doesn't include supporters having too much of a say in how he develops what he perceives to be HIS club and HIS money!

Personally, I believe that a 'lack of supporter involvement' is fundamentally damaging to the club as a whole, but we are where we are and the current impasse will not be broken until both sides start appreciating the position of the other!

I've noticed SOME fans saying that they will renew under any circumstances, almost suggesting their loyalty is superior to others who are waivering. To me loyalty works both ways and the fact that tan has not reversed the discredited rebrand whilst increasing ticket prices is the ultimate act of contempt.

I won't renew next season irregardless of where we finish (inc promotion). He is losing so called diehard fans, and whilst he presides over a such a badly run club, he won't be attracting plastics. He's taking us for mugs.

No it bloody well doesn't and you are wrong to suggest that 'renewing' supporters are anything but loyal to CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB itself rather than some temporary owner!

As for "taking us for mugs"? Well, I guess that depends on any individual's perspective. Those who truly believe they were being "taken for mugs" actioned their right to 'walk away' some time ago. Don't necessarily agree with that, but I certainly respect it more than those that stayed and still 'claim' not to support what is going on!

I support the club and not some temporary owner, who will do what he wants no more or no less than any other owner in recent history (albeit one change so much more unpalatable than any we had seen before ) and for that reason I will renew my season ticket without regard for the agenda-filled people who forgot so easily where we nearly were!

Temporary Tan or no club to support??

Hmmm, let me think about that one for a minute!

You've completely misunderstood my point. I have never questioned the loyalty of renewing supporters, OR the ones who walked when the red was imposed. However, I understand that everyone has their tolerance limits.

I was one of the people who chose to campaign against the rebrand from within, because in the premiership, I would have been replaced by someone who was just grateful to be watching us play Man U et al, not the type to yearn for a past they were not involved with. I thought tan was capable of getting the message, but his stubbornness knows no limits. And I just don't enjoy it anymore.

You did make me laugh when you said that tan has done what he wants as much as previous owners.

Think it was in reference to fact all previous owners were in it for what they can get out of club! And did it way they wanted to, in that respect tan is same but OK went a bit further in some respects!

Correct, Allan

And let's not forget that certain recent owner(s) only didn't go along with certain controversial plans solely because of fan pressure; lots of it thankfully from senior people on this Forum

The difference between him/them and Tan is that Tan's 'vision' rightly or wrongly doesn't include supporters having too much of a say in how he develops what he perceives to be HIS club and HIS money!

Personally, I believe that a 'lack of supporter involvement' is fundamentally damaging to the club as a whole, but we are where we are and the current impasse will not be broken until both sides start appreciating the position of the other!

Hey up Sven hope to see you on the coach some time soon.
Now a vast majority did appreciate what he done IE buying his red kit and turning the stadium red. Some lost friends over his re brand. So what did he try doing next ? He wanted to change the name as well. He could not give two shits for the fan and what we think.Now it can safely be said he has never appreciated the City faithfull never!! all he is in it for is the $ and the very high profile that he has attained. No one had heard of Vincent Sri Tan sri Piwi tri Tanovski the dictator before he came here. But now we all do. As Leeds fans sang Vincent Tan he does what he wants not Whitts

I've noticed SOME fans saying that they will renew under any circumstances, almost suggesting their loyalty is superior to others who are waivering. To me loyalty works both ways and the fact that tan has not reversed the discredited rebrand whilst increasing ticket prices is the ultimate act of contempt.

I won't renew next season irregardless of where we finish (inc promotion). He is losing so called diehard fans, and whilst he presides over a such a badly run club, he won't be attracting plastics. He's taking us for mugs.

No it bloody well doesn't and you are wrong to suggest that 'renewing' supporters are anything but loyal to CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB itself rather than some temporary owner!

As for "taking us for mugs"? Well, I guess that depends on any individual's perspective. Those who truly believe they were being "taken for mugs" actioned their right to 'walk away' some time ago. Don't necessarily agree with that, but I certainly respect it more than those that stayed and still 'claim' not to support what is going on!

I support the club and not some temporary owner, who will do what he wants no more or no less than any other owner in recent history (albeit one change so much more unpalatable than any we had seen before ) and for that reason I will renew my season ticket without regard for the agenda-filled people who forgot so easily where we nearly were!

Temporary Tan or no club to support??

Hmmm, let me think about that one for a minute!

You've completely misunderstood my point. I have never questioned the loyalty of renewing supporters, OR the ones who walked when the red was imposed. However, I understand that everyone has their tolerance limits.

I was one of the people who chose to campaign against the rebrand from within, because in the premiership, I would have been replaced by someone who was just grateful to be watching us play Man U et al, not the type to yearn for a past they were not involved with. I thought tan was capable of getting the message, but his stubbornness knows no limits. And I just don't enjoy it anymore.

You did make me laugh when you said that tan has done what he wants as much as previous owners.

Think it was in reference to fact all previous owners were in it for what they can get out of club! And did it way they wanted to, in that respect tan is same but OK went a bit further in some respects!

Correct, Allan

And let's not forget that certain recent owner(s) only didn't go along with certain controversial plans solely because of fan pressure; lots of it thankfully from senior people on this Forum

The difference between him/them and Tan is that Tan's 'vision' rightly or wrongly doesn't include supporters having too much of a say in how he develops what he perceives to be HIS club and HIS money!

Personally, I believe that a 'lack of supporter involvement' is fundamentally damaging to the club as a whole, but we are where we are and the current impasse will not be broken until both sides start appreciating the position of the other!

Hey up Sven hope to see you on the coach some time soon.
Now a vast majority did appreciate what he done IE buying his red kit and turning the stadium red. Some lost friends over his re brand. So what did he try doing next ? He wanted to change the name as well. He could not give two shits for the fan and what we think.Now it can safely be said he has never appreciated the City faithfull never!! all he is in it for is the $ and the very high profile that he has attained. No one had heard of Vincent Sri Tan sri Piwi tri Tanovski the dictator before he came here. But now we all do. As Leeds fans sang Vincent Tan he does what he wants not Whitts

Hey Nukes, good to hear from you and I'm working on the coach trips, but sadly the wife has taken a turn for the worse (non-MS related, but that doesn't help either, as you know ) and I'm sure Annis or Carl will fill you in on the details on the weekend

I can't disagree with what you wrote above and I think that is what I was trying to say

My only 'beef' with people is when they harp on about Tan all the bloody time when often the thing they 'link' him to has nothing whatsoever to do with him in the first place, e.g. he didn't make Malky send the texts and he didn't make Whelan say what he did either!

I agree that many of our fans need to remember that they 'bought in' to his initial concept (as you say above) with their purchasing of the red shirts and frenzied hoarding of the red scarves, and only turning on him when the proverbial 'bubble' burst! The simple fact is we (as a mass fan base) missed the boat by some distance and it is going to be very difficult to get the blue back whilst Tan is still here pumping his money in and like it or not we need it just as much now as we did when he came in!

Tan has played a cunning game here (like it or not) and that saddens me greatly, BUT we must be patient on the blue, as I honestly believe it will return one day not too far away, but only when Tan has made his point and handed over to someone else who is more 'supporter-orientated'

Take it easy, fella, and I hope your missus is as well as can be expected

Despite the negativity, I'll always continue to watch Cardiff City, no matter what.

Have done and always will since God knows when ........

Sven I am so sorry to hear about your Wife. I really hope she improvez soon. Will have a chat ic I see you down the city mate. Cath not doi g to bad and she has improved signifantly. But with MS as you know that can change quickly. Take care and talk soon

Sven I am so sorry to hear about your Wife. I really hope she improvez soon. Will have a chat ic I see you down the city mate. Cath not doi g to bad and she has improved signifantly. But with MS as you know that can change quickly. Take care and talk soon

Will do, mate, and glad to hear Cath is doing ok under the circumstances. But, as you rightly say, you just make the most of it while the going is good