CCST announce 2 new board members (including Sian Branson)

I'm not looking for an argument by the way just need enlightening on exactly why so many appose her and BU?

Sian did a great job and is a genuinely decent person totally undeserving of the bile that has come her way.

One of the few people to actually put her words into action, unlike most who harp on about wanting City's identity returned but do less than nothing about it.

She got the odd minor thing wrong, particularly around the Facebook group but the vast majority of what she did was superb. She's not a career politician FFS.

Hopefully the opinions of a small band of smug, self important nobodies will be water off a ducks back to her.

Funnily enough that last sentence is what the majority think about BU.

Someone who knows her told me that she was trying to get pictures of herself into a magazine
They declined

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I'm not looking for an argument by the way just need enlightening on exactly why so many appose her and BU?

Sian did a great job and is a genuinely decent person totally undeserving of the bile that has come her way.

One of the few people to actually put her words into action, unlike most who harp on about wanting City's identity returned but do less than nothing about it.

She got the odd minor thing wrong, particularly around the Facebook group but the vast majority of what she did was superb. She's not a career politician FFS.

Hopefully the opinions of a small band of smug, self important nobodies will be water off a ducks back to her.

Funnily enough that last sentence is what the majority think about BU.

I take it you know Sian and Jon Candy personally?

People who, with the very best of intentions, put a lot of time and effort into something for nothing more than a shedload of abuse.

Someone who knows her told me that she was trying to get pictures of herself into a magazine
They declined

Oh dear, another keyboard warrior [sigh..]
She was leader of an organisation. It was her job to get as much publicity for herself as the front person and BU generally as possible.

Next

Someone who knows her told me that she was trying to get pictures of herself into a magazine
They declined

Oh dear, another keyboard warrior [sigh..]
She was leader of an organisation. It was her job to get as much publicity for herself as the front person and BU generally as possible.

Next

It was nothing to do with bu she fancied her chances at being a model
Don't be so defensive Alf

I'm not looking for an argument by the way just need enlightening on exactly why so many appose her and BU?

Sian did a great job and is a genuinely decent person totally undeserving of the bile that has come her way.

One of the few people to actually put her words into action, unlike most who harp on about wanting City's identity returned but do less than nothing about it.

She got the odd minor thing wrong, particularly around the Facebook group but the vast majority of what she did was superb. She's not a career politician FFS.

Hopefully the opinions of a small band of smug, self important nobodies will be water off a ducks back to her.

Funnily enough that last sentence is what the majority think about BU.

No but had the misfortune of reading some of the drivel from the BU facebook group including stuff posted by her. Glad it failed so badly.

I take it you know Sian and Jon Candy personally?

People who, with the very best of intentions, put a lot of time and effort into something for nothing more than a shedload of abuse.

I'm not looking for an argument by the way just need enlightening on exactly why so many appose her and BU?

Sian did a great job and is a genuinely decent person totally undeserving of the bile that has come her way.

One of the few people to actually put her words into action, unlike most who harp on about wanting City's identity returned but do less than nothing about it.

She got the odd minor thing wrong, particularly around the Facebook group but the vast majority of what she did was superb. She's not a career politician FFS.

Hopefully the opinions of a small band of smug, self important nobodies will be water off a ducks back to her.

Funnily enough that last sentence is what the majority think about BU.

I take it you know Sian and Jon Candy personally?

People who, with the very best of intentions, put a lot of time and effort into something for nothing more than a shedload of abuse.

No I don't but read some of the drivel on the BU Facebook group. Including stuff written by her. To be fair I've not criticised them personally but have criticised BU which is right as it was a shocking organisation that made itself and everyone look like Neanderthal tools.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

Atleast sian will be in the meetings we dont have with tan (minion sent) and hear the answers we dont get to questions put forward rather than having to read the minutes put out
Ive no idea what the trust do to be honest all ive seen is the same thing over and over of statements of they want a meeting with tan which never happens and then minutes of lots of questions asked to whoever is sent to this meeting instead of tan but only questions unanswered as the outcome.

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I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

Well that's ended any slight interest in the trust I would have had. Glad I didn't get the shirt now.

Throwing your toys out of the pram is not the answer. I have no links with Sian and have not even met her but at least she has put herself forward in a bid to change us back to blue and has also taken the criticisms that will always accompany such a move. Her appointment to the trust will add balance and a voice to get us back to blue which every fan wants surely?

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

The lady doth protest too much methinks. Pretending not to to be a Tan apologist with the aid of smoke and mirrors was never going to convince anyone.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

charm him? we are cardiff city fans not politicians. So if charning him is your master plan, put it into action and stop slating people that are actually doing something about it.

and for the record i was at the march there were thousands, not hundreds trust me. Your writting about one sided views of this forum but you cant even bare to accept this fact because of your own blinkered views. you seem to expect everything to just happen in your perfectly democratic and charming fasion but action speaks louder than words and so far your just talking about it and critisising others.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

The funds that brought PL football to the City of Cardiff are loans. They are not some gift generously bestowed upon the people of South Wales. Supporters were led to believe the trade off for the rebrand was the conversion of debt to equity. As things stand, Tan has done much the same as Hammam (who is rightly vilified). The big difference is the scale of the debt is much larger under Tan and the supporters have had to suffer the ignominy of losing much of their clubs cherished identity.

You state that "it's his right to have us play in pink if he wants." This is where I fundamentally disagree with you. I could never subscribe to such supine thinking. If you really believe that it's ok for somebody just to trample over a century of history and tradition because they have a wallet full of cash, then I'm not sure how much I'd value your opinion on anything, frankly. Look around you, have any of the other major investors into British football suggested that the club's they own ditch their home colours? Of course not, because in football terms they are absolutely sacrosanct. You are defending the indefensible.

Where I agree with you entirely is when you mention the hypocrisy of a large proportion of the fanbase. You are absolutely correct when you state that opposition to the rebrand is normally at its highest when things are going badly on the pitch. You are also spot on regarding 'pro blue' supporters wingeing about the debt and then calling for more money to be spent on players. The hypocrisy is staggering.

I want to know when the next protest is, or next project to get the message across to the world's media, the Trust are too quiet in their opposition to the re-brand. The Trust shirts are an afterthought from an idea born from this forum. I would like to see people in charge of supporters groups actively looking at ways to get their message heard and scheming original concepts and strategies. Diplomacy is a laughable concept when dealing with Tan so why bother

The Trust are a complete and utter joke. I now find that they champion the cause of a young publicity seeking girl rather than someone like me who has supported the club through thick and thin for over 50 years,

I do believe Alfie Sherwoods got a crush on someone
It just a mid life crisis get over it phil

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

I have championed the singing of Vincent Tan's blue army or something similar but I have no influence. As owner it would be his prerogative however it would be madness for us to play in pink. I say the history is there. Certainly no one will take the memories I have of Leeds in the FA Cup or play off victories. Tan cannot take that. He is creating new memories I suppose which the youngsters we have will cherish. I say Tan is creating as the owner.

The funds that brought PL football to the City of Cardiff are loans. They are not some gift generously bestowed upon the people of South Wales. Supporters were led to believe the trade off for the rebrand was the conversion of debt to equity. As things stand, Tan has done much the same as Hammam (who is rightly vilified). The big difference is the scale of the debt is much larger under Tan and the supporters have had to suffer the ignominy of losing much of their clubs cherished identity.

You state that "it's his right to have us play in pink if he wants." This is where I fundamentally disagree with you. I could never subscribe to such supine thinking. If you really believe that it's ok for somebody just to trample over a century of history and tradition because they have a wallet full of cash, then I'm not sure how much I'd value your opinion on anything, frankly. Look around you, have any of the other major investors into British football suggested that the club's they own ditch their home colours? Of course not, because in football terms they are absolutely sacrosanct. You are defending the indefensible.

Where I agree with you entirely is when you mention the hypocrisy of a large proportion of the fanbase. You are absolutely correct when you state that opposition to the rebrand is normally at its highest when things are going badly on the pitch. You are also spot on regarding 'pro blue' supporters wingeing about the debt and then calling for more money to be spent on players. The hypocrisy is staggering.

I do believe Alfie Sherwoods got a crush on someone
It just a mid life crisis get over it phil

Why, because she happens to be female?

Are we back in the 1950's or something?

I'll defend anyone for having the guts to put their head above the parapet to try and do something to oppose the rebrand through peaceful means.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

Please dont confuse people who wear blue and hold a blue scarf and those of BU, they are not all the same I can assure you. I have always warn blue, will always wear BU. if I thought that meant people thought I was part of BU then I would stop instantly. Didnt like the tone of any "statements" that were made, the way they went about it, the tone of either with us or against us that was clear. The Shirt etc they sold.

Nothing against Sian, dont know her im sure she is a lovely person with good intentions but she was the head person or whatever of BU and I think the trust having any link at all to that group is a huge mistake.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

Please dont confuse people who wear blue and hold a blue scarf and those of BU, they are not all the same I can assure you. I have always warn blue, will always wear BU. if I thought that meant people thought I was part of BU then I would stop instantly. Didnt like the tone of any "statements" that were made, the way they went about it, the tone of either with us or against us that was clear. The Shirt etc they sold.

Nothing against Sian, dont know her im sure she is a lovely person with good intentions but she was the head person or whatever of BU and I think the trust having any link at all to that group is a huge mistake.

As far as I am concerned Luke the Trust are trying to tap into the BU membership.

I know Sian has talked to the Trust guy Tim Hartley who has attended BU meetings so it is not like she is going into it all blindfolded. It might work, it might not......Im wanting to see a lot more fro the Trust to convince me.

I do believe Alfie Sherwoods got a crush on someone
It just a mid life crisis get over it phil

Why, because she happens to be female?

Are we back in the 1950's or something?

I'll defend anyone for having the guts to put their head above the parapet to try and do something to oppose the rebrand through peaceful means.

I've obviously struck a nerve Phil don't be embarrassed she's not a bad looker
Older man falls for the younger woman,happens all the time

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

Please dont confuse people who wear blue and hold a blue scarf and those of BU, they are not all the same I can assure you. I have always warn blue, will always wear BU. if I thought that meant people thought I was part of BU then I would stop instantly. Didnt like the tone of any "statements" that were made, the way they went about it, the tone of either with us or against us that was clear. The Shirt etc they sold.

Nothing against Sian, dont know her im sure she is a lovely person with good intentions but she was the head person or whatever of BU and I think the trust having any link at all to that group is a huge mistake.

I wasnt confusing that. the bu, the echo, this forum, ccmb, the trust and others cobtributed to that march. like you say others supported by wearing blue in the stadium and thats all good!

I understand why you dont agree with some things they have said etc. but The way i see it they cant please everyone. She may have said a few wrong things along the way but shes done a whole lot more than you or most other fans and ive got support for anyone who goes the extra mile to make something happen.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

We get it pal, you are one of those naive that take everything that Tan says at face value.

Do you not have a brain of your own ?

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

We get it pal, you are one of those naive cunts that take everything that Tan says at face value.

Do you not have a brain of your own you gullible prick?

What a joke of a post. Posts like this from people like you show how far this forum has gone downhill. Can't contribute anything worthwhile so write shit like that.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

We get it pal, you are one of those naive cunts that take everything that Tan says at face value.

Do you not have a brain of your own you gullible prick?

What a joke of a post. Posts like this from people like you show how far this forum has gone downhill. Can't contribute anything worthwhile so write shit like that.

Maccydee - I've been reading this thread & enjoying the debate especially between yourself, Nubbsy & Alf Sherwood.
Whilst I completely disagree with your views & agree with the others & was enjoying the the different views being debated of which none of you were being disrespectful - you then then get this guy who has to resort to swearing & cursing like a Neanderthal!
Like you say - can't debate so has to resort to that!!

Alf Sherwood - i must say I agree with virtually 100% and like the way you get your points across.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

We get it pal, you are one of those naive cunts that take everything that Tan says at face value.

Do you not have a brain of your own you gullible prick?

What a joke of a post. Posts like this from people like you show how far this forum has gone downhill. Can't contribute anything worthwhile so write shit like that.

Maccydee - I've been reading this thread & enjoying the debate especially between yourself, Nubbsy & Alf Sherwood.
Whilst I completely disagree with your views & agree with the others & was enjoying the the different views being debated of which none of you were being disrespectful - you then then get this guy who has to resort to swearing & cursing like a Neanderthal!
Like you say - can't debate so has to resort to that!!

Alf Sherwood - i must say I agree with virtually 100% and like the way you get your points across.

The irony is he quite clearly hasn't got a brain. He makes my point in a way. I think there are many who actually follow the group in having a pop at tan. I'm not a fan of his in any way, shape or form. I'm a cardiff fan of 20 odd years. Been there through thick and thin. Including the worst times. I'm grateful he saved us as we were on our arse. I think he is wrong changing us to red as there hasn't been any significant increase in revenue that I can see. He might know differently but I doubt it. However he was above board when he pushed for the red. Never lied or was underhand with it. When we said we wanted blue he said that's fine.

I think even Tan knows he was wrong. However honour is important to him and his people so he will not back down in the face of protest. However a compromise might work if we did as I said earlier.

I think the difference for me is that I'm away as am in the RAF and have been largely disconnected in comparison to many so it might mean more to them or they feel it more being there every week. I do maintain that while winning there is very little protest and it came last year when we started to struggle. The ones who speak loudest be it on here, facebook etc also were wrong on Malky in a big way so it's not beyond the realms that they are wrong here too.

Just my two penneth worth.

I distance myself from anything to do with BU. Didn't like anything they said or the way they went about it. Bullies in a playground. It's not for me.

All I've seen is a woman highly motivated to return our identity, judged by many for not doing it the right way when they haven't made strides even a fraction as big as what she has. What is it about BU that defines them as bullies? I went on the marches I'm not a bully and I certainly didn't see any bullying?

You can't really count what BU did a success. There were hundreds on the March out of 25,000 fans. All it did was reinforce what Tan was saying to be accurate.

The last one, there were thousands not hundreds. The whole stadium was the bluest id seen it after wards. because there was not 25000 marching it was a failure? Tan said 5%, so this proved him to be accurate? Never seen so many blue scarves in that stadium it sent him a huge message. Just don't understand how you can knock the people who've tried so hard mistakes or not they stood up and tried to make a difference

BU said it was thousands. Tan was pretty much right about 5%. I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club. BU had a massive Tan out agenda which was ridiculous as there was no one to take over.

The scarf protests are brilliant. I sent a scarf to someone on here for free to do my little bit towards it. The scarf protest was nothing to do with BU.

You have been one if the principal Tan apologists - which is, of course, your prerogative.

You've just written, "I'll knock anything that could lead to the liquidation of my club," now Dalman has already stated (on the record) that failure to gain promotion will lead to "severe financial difficulties." How does that statement sit with your continued robust defence of Vincent Tan?

I'm not an apologist of Tan per se I am just grateful that he saved my club from liquidation. I am also grateful he provided the funds to buy a squad that got promoted to the Premiership. I am not grateful he changed our kit to Red and would much prefer to be in blue but he has put his money where his mouth is and it is his right to have us play in pink if he wants. He also did say he would keep us blue and not invest 100 million but we wanted our cake and to eat it. Even now those that hate Tan want money spent on this player or that player. My problem is with the massive hypocrisy of many on here with regards Tan. Ffs most only started on about the colour when we stopped being successful. There wasn't a peep when we were winning the championship.

For what Dalman said. Isn't that what people want. That's part of my issue. Tan is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He keeps spending people have a go about the debt, he says through Dalman that there are to be cuts if we fail to get promoted and people have a go. Again hypocrisy.

It is very one sided on here and unfairly anti Tan. There are many reasons to have a go at him but people use anything and everything and frequently it is a pile of shit. I try to present an alternative view. That does not make me an apologist.

My opinion is if we tried to charm him he might come round to blue but there are too many who have no intention of any sort of compromise. They will possibly get the club they deserve one day.

We get it pal, you are one of those naive cunts that take everything that Tan says at face value.

Do you not have a brain of your own you gullible prick?

What a joke of a post. Posts like this from people like you show how far this forum has gone downhill. Can't contribute anything worthwhile so write shit like that.

Maccydee - I've been reading this thread & enjoying the debate especially between yourself, Nubbsy & Alf Sherwood.
Whilst I completely disagree with your views & agree with the others & was enjoying the the different views being debated of which none of you were being disrespectful - you then then get this guy who has to resort to swearing & cursing like a Neanderthal!
Like you say - can't debate so has to resort to that!!

Alf Sherwood - i must say I agree with virtually 100% and like the way you get your points across.

I can debate all day, but what is the point.
You can't get through to these clowns.
Still regurgitating the propoganda of red or dead.