Working for your benefits

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

Have you got the experience to back up your comments here..? I have and I am telling you that on average Id be looking at 15/20 per day turning down work in the construction industry mainly labouring or factory workers which Ive even advertised for on here!!!

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

Have you got the experience to back up your comments here..? I have and I am telling you that on average Id be looking at 15/20 per day turning down work in the construction industry mainly labouring or factory workers which Ive even advertised for on here!!!

Do you want to see the list of CVs I get from youngsters when I'm working on a project and require certain skills.

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

I don't know if you've noticed but many of the things you've mentioned are not done due to the amount of work that needs doing. If you consider the amount of work that could be done to keep the environment we live in maintained, then no able bodied person should be out of work.

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

Have you got the experience to back up your comments here..? I have and I am telling you that on average Id be looking at 15/20 per day turning down work in the construction industry mainly labouring or factory workers which Ive even advertised for on here!!!

Do you want to see the list of CVs I get from youngsters when I'm working on a project and require certain skills.

Receiving CVs is bollox really mate as they have to show the job centre that they are looking for work to get their benefit but when it comes to actually offering the work they will turn it down

Damn right - if they are able to work then they should work for their benefits. Why should they sit on their arse and collect free money?

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

Have you got the experience to back up your comments here..? I have and I am telling you that on average Id be looking at 15/20 per day turning down work in the construction industry mainly labouring or factory workers which Ive even advertised for on here!!!

Do you want to see the list of CVs I get from youngsters when I'm working on a project and require certain skills.

Receiving CVs is bollox really mate as they have to show the job centre that they are looking for work to get their benefit but when it comes to actually offering the work they will turn it down

Generally I get over a 100 Cvs. I will interview 5 for one job or say 10 for 3 jobs. I was looking for 10 engineers at one time so interviewed 20. Each one attended the interview and every candidate offered the job has accepted.

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

Have you got the experience to back up your comments here..? I have and I am telling you that on average Id be looking at 15/20 per day turning down work in the construction industry mainly labouring or factory workers which Ive even advertised for on here!!!

Do you want to see the list of CVs I get from youngsters when I'm working on a project and require certain skills.

Receiving CVs is bollox really mate as they have to show the job centre that they are looking for work to get their benefit but when it comes to actually offering the work they will turn it down

Generally I get over a 100 Cvs. I will interview 5 for one job or say 10 for 3 jobs. I was looking for 10 engineers at one time so interviewed 20. Each one attended the interview and every candidate offered the job has accepted.

I do think there's a different mindset of the types of people we are talking about through with the greatest of respect. My mine issues are with low educated positions like labourers and production ops.

As I said earlier if benefits were based on regional pay, the amount received would be much less (as cost of living is less in wales) and I truly believe these ones who sit there and say I'm not getting out of bed for less than £9 per hour would have to reconsider. Benefits in wales based on London economy is ridiculous IMO.

As I said earlier if benefits were based on regional pay, the amount received would be much less (as cost of living is less in wales) and I truly believe these ones who sit there and say I'm not getting out of bed for less than £9 per hour would have to reconsider. Benefits in wales based on London economy is ridiculous IMO.

You are right but when Osborne put this idea out then you had Labour in Wales claiming all sorts against Westminister

the solution to getting more people off welfare is to grow the economy, not take jobs away from bin men and litter pickers and making people on welfare do say 10 hours of work that someone is already paid to do.

the current rate of £57 a week for 16-24 year old isn't enough to live on, unless you already have a council house and other benefits. to say that its at a level that encourages jobless people to live off that is insulting to the many thousands of people out there who want to work but there simply isn't any work for them.

its a popular thing to do, to lower a poverty handout to an even lower level, but if you know anyone who wants to work but has graduated at the wrong time, then its pretty insulting to tell them they don't even deserve £57.

the solution to getting more people off welfare is to grow the economy, not take jobs away from bin men and litter pickers and making people on welfare do say 10 hours of work that someone is already paid to do.

the current rate of £57 a week for 16-24 year old isn't enough to live on, unless you already have a council house and other benefits. to say that its at a level that encourages jobless people to live off that is insulting to the many thousands of people out there who want to work but there simply isn't any work for them.

its a popular thing to do, to lower a poverty handout to an even lower level, but if you know anyone who wants to work but has graduated at the wrong time, then its pretty insulting to tell them they don't even deserve £57.

but that increases borrowing we the country cannot afford to do. Its not the Governments position to provide jobs just for the sake of it, rather its the Governments position to supply services to its people and with the best result financially as possible.

As I said earlier if benefits were based on regional pay, the amount received would be much less (as cost of living is less in wales) and I truly believe these ones who sit there and say I'm not getting out of bed for less than £9 per hour would have to reconsider. Benefits in wales based on London economy is ridiculous IMO.

You are right but when Osborne put this idea out then you had Labour in Wales claiming all sorts against Westminister

I'm not labour, I would never vote labour!

I think you'll find it is governments responsibility to provide jobs whether they do it for the sake of it or not

I think you'll find it is governments responsibility to provide jobs whether they do it for the sake of it or not

Yeah if you live in a Communist state

As I said earlier if benefits were based on regional pay, the amount received would be much less (as cost of living is less in wales) and I truly believe these ones who sit there and say I'm not getting out of bed for less than £9 per hour would have to reconsider. Benefits in wales based on London economy is ridiculous IMO.

You are right but when Osborne put this idea out then you had Labour in Wales claiming all sorts against Westminister

I'm not labour, I would never vote labour!

Im just saying

They should do the hours to cover the amount they claim at minimum wage. There are loads of jobs at there right now, you just have to listen to adverts on the TV or radio and more and more are advertising for staff. There's no excuse anyway claiming for more than 6 months should work, end of!

I think you'll find it is governments responsibility to provide jobs whether they do it for the sake of it or not

Yeah if you live in a Communist state

Correct ... It's the governments reaponisibility to create an environment for job creation not just regulations.

First, if everyone on the dole worked for the money they get, then there would be less jobs available.
Secondly, some towns biggest employers are the local council so making these jobs available only to the work shy would not work either.

I have been fortunate enough never to have had to claim benefits due to always having work, but some families genuinely need help due to redundancy Etc. Not all dole bums are dole bums.

the answer is easy... For 6 months you get paid x amount, after this time you have food and shop vouchers plus a bus pass for job searching and interviews Etc.

One thing Ive never ever understood. If these successive governments are truly serious about getting people into work why don't they mske a simple law. Any employer who advertises a job needs to give first refusal to someone on Jobseekers Allowance. Pure abs simple. That way there would never be anyone long term employed. Many employers do not even want to employ people on benefits. They should be made to and pay them well to boot.

One thing Ive never ever understood. If these successive governments are truly serious about getting people into work why don't they mske a simple law. Any employer who advertises a job needs to give first refusal to someone on Jobseekers Allowance. Pure abs simple. That way there would never be anyone long term employed. Many employers do not even want to employ people on benefits. They should be made to and pay them well to boot.

It's not the Governments job on who an employer can and can not employ. The bottom line is that many of the workers aren't working because they don't want to f*cking work

One thing Ive never ever understood. If these successive governments are truly serious about getting people into work why don't they mske a simple law. Any employer who advertises a job needs to give first refusal to someone on Jobseekers Allowance. Pure abs simple. That way there would never be anyone long term employed. Many employers do not even want to employ people on benefits. They should be made to and pay them well to boot.

It's not the Governments job on who an employer can and can not employ. The bottom line is that many of the workers aren't working because they don't want to f*cking work

I think it would be a good idea if it was the Government's job. It would stop some employers being too fussy to give people a chance. Youll always get some people who dont want to work sure enough but as you said yourself it tends to be concentrated in a certain social strata. How many people do you think who are pocketing £100k a year are work shy? And how many of the work shy would remain so if they were offered jobs of £50k s year plus?

One thing Ive never ever understood. If these successive governments are truly serious about getting people into work why don't they mske a simple law. Any employer who advertises a job needs to give first refusal to someone on Jobseekers Allowance. Pure abs simple. That way there would never be anyone long term employed. Many employers do not even want to employ people on benefits. They should be made to and pay them well to boot.

It's not the Governments job on who an employer can and can not employ. The bottom line is that many of the workers aren't working because they don't want to f*cking work

I think it would be a good idea if it was the Government's job. It would stop some employers being too fussy to give people a chance. Youll always get some people who dont want to work sure enough but as you said yourself it tends to be concentrated in a certain social strata. How many people do you think who are pocketing £100k a year are work shy? And how many of the work shy would remain so if they were offered jobs of £50k s year plus?

People should be allowed to employ who they want too. Are you a Communist ?

One thing Ive never ever understood. If these successive governments are truly serious about getting people into work why don't they mske a simple law. Any employer who advertises a job needs to give first refusal to someone on Jobseekers Allowance. Pure abs simple. That way there would never be anyone long term employed. Many employers do not even want to employ people on benefits. They should be made to and pay them well to boot.

It's not the Governments job on who an employer can and can not employ. The bottom line is that many of the workers aren't working because they don't want to f*cking work

I think it would be a good idea if it was the Government's job. It would stop some employers being too fussy to give people a chance. Youll always get some people who dont want to work sure enough but as you said yourself it tends to be concentrated in a certain social strata. How many people do you think who are pocketing £100k a year are work shy? And how many of the work shy would remain so if they were offered jobs of £50k s year plus?

People should be allowed to employ who they want too. Are you a Communist ?

100% Fuch the Capitalist pigs

100% and also their children should be sent out to work sewing football shirts! Also bring back the workhouse!

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100% and also their children should be sent out to work sewing football shirts!

100% as long as their BLUE Dave lol!

So.. What happens if the benefits system collapses and nobody gets a portion of the pie? Just an interesting thought