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Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:40 pm

PortBlue wrote:Shame how innocently uneducated these ukip voters are. Are they aware of any policies other than the immigration one? In fairness they aren't entirely racist, but politically inept.

Social democracy is what we should be encouraging...none of the above parties can offer it. If your vote mattered, they wouldn't let you have it!

Try reading! UKIP have many other policies - Proof of health insurance for tourists and immigrants; points based visas and time limited work permits; immigrants working for 5 years before drawing benefits; no tax on minimum wage; scraping HS2, wind turbine subsidies and green taxes; developing shale gas to protect against foreign energy dependence; cut foreign aid (we give £2b to India and they are rich enough to spend £2b on a space program); no votes for prisoners and no half sentences; opening new grammar schools and many more policies.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:52 pm

Ukip for me. In my humble opinion , immigration IS the biggest issue/problem facing this country. Thankfully we haven't got many up the rhondda YET. I've worked all over UK (brum and m.k. mostly though) and the locals tell me all sorts of issues they have with immigrants. Few of the older zulu mob don't venture into brum centre much coz its not safe for them anymore !!! FTJ !!!

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:53 pm

Ukip for me. In my humble opinion , immigration IS the biggest issue/problem facing this country. Thankfully we haven't got many up the rhondda YET. I've worked all over UK (brum and m.k. mostly though) and the locals tell me all sorts of issues they have with immigrants. Few of the older zulu mob don't venture into brum centre much coz its not safe for them anymore !!! FTJ !!!

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:54 pm

popeye21 wrote:
grange_end1927 wrote:Labour for the workers :ayatollah:

The gap between the rich and the poor grew to such an extent under the last labour government that the last time it was as wide the poor were living in workhouses. Labour are a bunch of champagne socialists who want the people to do as they're told, yet those in office behave completely different. For example Dianne Abbott was against public schools yet sent her children to public school.


Dianne Abbott, left wing snob :|



Dianne Abbott MP - A Racist Pig, still keeps her job, maybe because she's black.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:00 pm

No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:04 pm

Conservative.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:06 pm

Tory

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:12 pm

thevoiceofreason wrote:You're all missing the point here. The system is broken... All of the above only serve the wealthy elite. The only exception I would make would be the green party as they have some very different ideas about government... It's not all about the environment!

I for one will never vote in this broken system cos to me that is showing that I buy into it. The ballot box won't solve our problems.


Ps - why are people so down on immigrants... They're people who are deep down the same as us. It's the wealthy elite who have more money than they can ever spend we should turn our attention to!

Just before the last election there were 53 billionaires in the UK who paid £10.1m tax between them, but it was actually worse as £9.3m of it was paid by Dyson which is why he moved his factories to Malaysia. The rich can easily avoid tax by paying about £50k for a Gibraltar passport, setting oneself up as a limited company where the rate of corporation tax is zero. If the rich are targeted they either do as I have just illustrated or move abroad, like the French under their current high taxes. Cutting income and corporation taxes and loading a sales tax (VAT) is the only system that works as living a luxurious lifestyle then costs more in taxes, but essential food is exempt.This results in the rich paying more than the poor in both actual amounts and as a percentage of wealth, plus also encourages business to relocate here as well as wealthy foreigners. Currently the rich pay the least as a percentage of wealth and sometimes in actual amounts also. The only two parties who want to cut taxes are the Tories and UKIP.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:18 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x

Please educate us. Explain how UKIP are racists. Also explain why insulting the disabled is ok.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:25 pm

popeye21 wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x

Please educate us. Explain how UKIP are racists. Also explain why insulting the disabled is ok.


Disabled Labour delegate asked to move to make way for party's 'bright young things' . Bernadette Horton, a disabled Labour Party delegate, claims conference organisers asked her to move before Ed Miliband's speech.

A disabled Labour Party member claims she and others were ejected from their reserved seats in order to make room for “bright young things” at the party’s conference in Manchester on Tuesday.

Bernadette Horton, a 47-year-old Labour Party member who cannot walk without crutches, fell over after conference organisers made her and two other partially disabled individuals move from their reserved seats.

Ms Horton, who has been a Labour Party member for three years, said: “The way we were treated by a party that sets itself up for the most vulnerable was appalling.”

The Labour delegate, who works as a career for her autistic son, alleges she and others were moved - despite stewards explaining to conference organisers the floor seats were reserved for disabled delegates – because Ed Miliband was due to pass the seats on the way out.

“I noticed at the end when Ed did walk past there were all the bright young things sitting in the disabled reserved seats and shaking hands with him,” she said, “while we couldn’t get anywhere near him.”

“Disabled and careers were not mentioned in the speech at all and the feeling among us all of literally not having a seat at the table was very strong,” Ms Horton said.

“I am flabbergasted that the Labour party are treating its delegates as second class citizens.”
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Ms Horton, who was seriously injured in a car accident four years ago and walks with crutches as a result, explained after she fell – attempting to climb the stairs to new seats rows behind their reserved ones – party organisers “panicked”.

Afterwards, seats for Ms Horton and the two other disabled individuals were found elsewhere in the conference hall.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/disabled-labour-delegate-asked-to-move-to-make-way-for-partys-bright-young-things-9754437.html

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:29 pm

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Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:43 pm

It's happened every year under Labour,trying to rig the local results. look at Tower Hamlets in London in May, shocking behavior from Muslims, took 3 days to count the ballot papers because of the Muslim intimidation.


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Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:50 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x


A decent point, phrased horrendously and ableist and ironically a little bit racist. But yes UKIP, the Tory party for horrific right wing people that even the regular Tories are too nice for, or, you know, islamophobia.

Difficult to vote for anyone really, very few represent actual change that would be positive.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:50 pm

ronnieconradsflatcap wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
moonboots wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:Ukip


If you lived in England fine but Ukip has no relevance in Wales whatsoever. Plaid is the only realistic option against the major Westminster parties. Plaid has Wales' interests at heart. Do Ukip care about Wales? Do the f*@k!


People being easily taken in by UKIP. If they had to form a government who have they got to make up a cabinet apart from their boozy leader? What policies have they got except get out of Europe and stop immigration? Like you I've come to the conclusion that the only party that truly cares about Wales is Plaid. :thumbup:


Plaid loves immigrants and wants more and more to come to Wales.



Its mainly the english immigrating to Wales to escape all them immigrants in the cities.

Voted Labour last time but living in South London you see the massive problems they create & believe me all these stories of these immigrants getting everything before the British is true.

They are building loads of flats etc around my area & the foreigners gets them & after a few months they are disgusting slums.

A cave is to good for these lot.


Mate the Polish in the valleys and Llanelli are causing so many issues within the communities but Plaid are loving the influx

Re: How Would You Vote?

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:04 pm

Labour.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:08 am

RFMH wrote:
PartyWithOle wrote:No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x


A decent point, phrased horrendously and ableist and ironically a little bit racist. But yes UKIP, the Tory party for horrific right wing people that even the regular Tories are too nice for, or, you know, islamophobia.

Difficult to vote for anyone really, very few represent actual change that would be positive.

Winston McKenzie is a Jamaican born former boxer who challenged Nigel Farage for the leadership of UKIP.
Pauline McQueen is a black 60 year old Jew who is a UKIP council candidate for Tower Hamlets.
Steven Woolf MEP UKIP's economics spokesman who grew up in Moss Side, Manchester and is mixed race.
Amjad Bashir MEP UKIP's small business spokesman was born in Pakistan.
Due to the main parties running scared of UKIP they have focused on a few idiots who managed to infiltrate UKIP despite a ban on former BNP and NF members. However, if the party were racist people like those listed above would not be part of UKIP.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:31 am

moonboots wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
pensionerbluebird wrote:Ukip


If you lived in England fine but Ukip has no relevance in Wales whatsoever. Plaid is the only realistic option against the major Westminster parties. Plaid has Wales' interests at heart. Do Ukip care about Wales? Do the f*@k!


People being easily taken in by UKIP. If they had to form a government who have they got to make up a cabinet apart from their boozy leader? What policies have they got except get out of Europe and stop immigration? Like you I've come to the conclusion that the only party that truly cares about Wales is Plaid. :thumbup:


I've always voted plaid. Ukip sadly do have many policies but they are more fascist than military junta. Be very afraid. Could easily be ten times the mess of the coalition

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:56 am

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:Image



UKIP

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:01 am

Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:38 pm

Military Junta wrote:Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?


What utter rubbish!! Get your facts right, Plaid have no such policies and never have and hopefully never will.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:47 pm

To be perfectly honest I am very frightened of what is happening with Ukip. It is very similar to what happened in Germany when the National Socialists under Hitler started to win seats. Fascists won't do silly marches into town wearing silly uniforms they start by winning over the hearts of the population through fear and slowly gain power. Excactly what Ukip are doing now.

Remember Hitler was elected democratically in Germany and was very popular. The same thing is happening in England.
Please God let Wales be different!

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:37 pm

BlueGog wrote:To be perfectly honest I am very frightened of what is happening with Ukip. It is very similar to what happened in Germany when the National Socialists under Hitler started to win seats. Fascists won't do silly marches into town wearing silly uniforms they start by winning over the hearts of the population through fear and slowly gain power. Excactly what Ukip are doing now.

Remember Hitler was elected democratically in Germany and was very popular. The same thing is happening in England.
Please God let Wales be different!


UKIP won a Welsh seat in the European Parliament. Wales can't get on its high horse over this. For England, see Wales.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:42 pm

Military Junta wrote:Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?


Yea plaid seem to be more concerned of the Welsh language than actually stating how an independent Wales could survive with out relying on eu handouts.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:52 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?


Yea plaid seem to be more concerned of the Welsh language than actually stating how an independent Wales could survive with out relying on eu handouts.

As a first-language Welsh speaker, I'm more concerned about the future of the language than Wales being an independent state, myself.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:57 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?


Yea plaid seem to be more concerned of the Welsh language than actually stating how an independent Wales could survive with out relying on eu handouts.

As a first-language Welsh speaker, I'm more concerned about the future of the language than Wales being an independent state, myself.


My point is, there are more important things to tackle. The Welsh language should be preserved at least.

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:19 pm

PartyWithOle wrote:No surprise that this forum are a bunch of racists and mongs so will be voting UKIP x

Mongs? Seriously you mock others for voting ukip then say such a word :o

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:06 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Plaid have always been called the Welsh Tories with their ideas of banning English from owning homes in Wales. Surely that's racist in today's world isn't it ?


What utter rubbish!! Get your facts right, Plaid have no such policies and never have and hopefully never will.


Don't really know much about the party you support then do you ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1397281.stm :lol:

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:23 pm

BlueGog wrote:To be perfectly honest I am very frightened of what is happening with Ukip. It is very similar to what happened in Germany when the National Socialists under Hitler started to win seats. Fascists won't do silly marches into town wearing silly uniforms they start by winning over the hearts of the population through fear and slowly gain power. Excactly what Ukip are doing now.

Remember Hitler was elected democratically in Germany and was very popular. The same thing is happening in England.
Please God let Wales be different!

What utter rubbish. Do you think that people from ethnic minorities and especially a black Jew would ever be part of a fascist party. (see my previous posts on this thread which highlight some of the above mentioned people).

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:29 pm

popeye21 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:To be perfectly honest I am very frightened of what is happening with Ukip. It is very similar to what happened in Germany when the National Socialists under Hitler started to win seats. Fascists won't do silly marches into town wearing silly uniforms they start by winning over the hearts of the population through fear and slowly gain power. Excactly what Ukip are doing now.

Remember Hitler was elected democratically in Germany and was very popular. The same thing is happening in England.
Please God let Wales be different!

What utter rubbish. Do you think that people from ethnic minorities and especially a black Jew would ever be part of a fascist party. (see my previous posts on this thread which highlight some of the above mentioned people).


Don't worry Popeyes this guys argument is right out of the window as he doesn't even know what the party he personally supports are really about

Re: How Would You Vote?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:39 pm

Military Junta wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:To be perfectly honest I am very frightened of what is happening with Ukip. It is very similar to what happened in Germany when the National Socialists under Hitler started to win seats. Fascists won't do silly marches into town wearing silly uniforms they start by winning over the hearts of the population through fear and slowly gain power. Excactly what Ukip are doing now.

Remember Hitler was elected democratically in Germany and was very popular. The same thing is happening in England.
Please God let Wales be different!

What utter rubbish. Do you think that people from ethnic minorities and especially a black Jew would ever be part of a fascist party. (see my previous posts on this thread which highlight some of the above mentioned people).


Don't worry Popeyes this guys argument is right out of the window as he doesn't even know what the party he personally supports are really about

He probably does, but just has a selective memory.