Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:51 pm
bluemun wrote:UKIP are right-wing Thatcherites who have absolutely no solutions to the problems facing people. They play on fears of immigrants just like the BMP did. The real causes, of a rampant capitalism which creates more and more poverty are never addressed.
Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:04 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:26 am
gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:13 am
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:23 am
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:09 pm
BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:13 pm
RFMH wrote:Its almost like the British Empire never happened to some people. We went around the globe destroying countries and taking all their wealth and then spent it all on wars and now suddenly everyone feels like Britain might not have any responsibility
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:24 pm
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.
Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.
The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.
Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.
As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.
I didn't vote for him..........did you?
And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.
A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.
The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.
Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.
Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.
The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.
Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:39 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:16 pm
BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.
Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.
The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.
Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.
As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.
I didn't vote for him..........did you?
And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.
A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.
The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.
Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.
Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.
The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.
Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.
I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European. Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.
As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:26 pm
BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.
Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.
The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.
Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.
As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.
I didn't vote for him..........did you?
And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.
A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.
The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.
Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.
Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.
The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.
Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.BlueGog wrote:I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European.
I don't class myself as British at all, 100% English and English only! When I travel and sign into guest houses I sign the book, the usual thing, Name - Nationality - Passport number.
Sign in with a different name and then put 'English' as my nationality and juggle a few numbers in from my passport (Never know when things get on top) but when signing the book I have a look, Swiss, America, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, French, Dutch then you get to the British, last place there were 9 British entrance then I came across 'Welsh' and I thought good lad, There's a Welshman here so I signed in with 'English'. I'm English and proud and everyone should be proud of their own individual country. The government cringe when they have to mention 'English'.BlueGog wrote:Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.
Yes you do have your own parliament and us English envoy you, wish us English could have our own like you the Scots and Irish as well, but that'll never happen as we're English and if you're English then you get squalidly squat as we're all little englanders don't know.BlueGog wrote:As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:29 pm
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:BlueGog wrote:Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.
EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.
foreign aid, £11.3bn.
DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.
International development secretary Justine Greeninggave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).
When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.
When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.
No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.
I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster
...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.
Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.
The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.
Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.
As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.
I didn't vote for him..........did you?
And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.
A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.
The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.
Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.
Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.
The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.
Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.BlueGog wrote:I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European.
I don't class myself as British at all, 100% English and English only! When I travel and sign into guest houses I sign the book, the usual thing, Name - Nationality - Passport number.
Sign in with a different name and then put 'English' as my nationality and juggle a few numbers in from my passport (Never know when things get on top) but when signing the book I have a look, Swiss, America, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, French, Dutch then you get to the British, last place there were 9 British entrance then I came across 'Welsh' and I thought good lad, There's a Welshman here so I signed in with 'English'. I'm English and proud and everyone should be proud of their own individual country. The government cringe when they have to mention 'English'.BlueGog wrote:Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.
Yes you do have your own parliament and us English envoy you, wish us English could have our own like you the Scots and Irish as well, but that'll never happen as we're English and if you're English then you get squalidly squat as we're all little englanders don't know.BlueGog wrote:As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.BlueGog wrote:Blame the Labour party and Tony (ban the bomb) Blair. Took us into an illegal war, dodgy dossier and yet again trying to impose his ideology onto the Middle East just like he did from 96 on us the UK. He wanted western style democracy in the middle east but the middle east democracy is still set in the 6th centenary and will never change.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:44 pm
popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:47 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:the UK as a whole would be best off keeping its EU money and spreading it around the poor regions like wales and N England, there would be much, much more money to go around as we get less back from the EU than we pay in, despite the rebate.
the EU needs the UK much more than the UK needs the EU.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:13 pm
CayoBluebird wrote:popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.
Which comic did you read that in? Germany is the largest contributor, both in absolute terms and per capita, France is second. UK is 4th!
Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:37 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:46 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:05 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:24 pm
popeye21 wrote:CayoBluebird wrote:popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.
Which comic did you read that in? Germany is the largest contributor, both in absolute terms and per capita, France is second. UK is 4th!
Sorry, your right I missed the word 'net' contributor - after subsidies which are heavily in favour of CAP.
Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:56 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:32 pm
splottbluebird48 wrote:UKIP plan to auction nhs to private companies.
UKIP plan to introduce a flat rate of tax,raising taxes for the poorest, while the wealthy would pay much less
UKIP want to scrap your legal right to four weeks paid holiday
UKIP think job security is a luxury you should pay for with lower wages
UKIP want to scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses
BE Careful
What you wish for
Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:00 pm
popeye21 wrote:splottbluebird48 wrote:UKIP plan to auction nhs to private companies.
UKIP plan to introduce a flat rate of tax,raising taxes for the poorest, while the wealthy would pay much less
UKIP want to scrap your legal right to four weeks paid holiday
UKIP think job security is a luxury you should pay for with lower wages
UKIP want to scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses
BE Careful
What you wish for
None of the above are UKIP policies :-
http://www.ukip.org/issues
Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:17 pm
Sven wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?
The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?"![]()
Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:30 pm
Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:55 pm
ronnieconradsflatcap wrote:UKIP
Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.
Repairing the UK Economy
– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).
– Inheritance tax will be abolished.
– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.
– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.
Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren
– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions.
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.
– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.
Prioritising Education and Skills
– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.
– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.
– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority.
– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Honouring the Military Covenant
– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.
– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force
– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.
– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.
– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.
– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.
– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.
The National Health Service
– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.
– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.
– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.
– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.
–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.
– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.
– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.
– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.
– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.
– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care.
Controlling and managing our borders
– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.
– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.
– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.
– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work) when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.
– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK.
– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.
– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable.
Foreign Aid
– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.
– British organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.
Energy
– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.
– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.
– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment. Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.
– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.
Agriculture and Fishing
– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter
Welfare and Childcare
– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
Transport
– We will scrap HS2.
– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.
– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.
– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.
– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.
Housing and planning
– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites. Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.
Democracy and the Constitution
– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.
– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.
– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.
Law and Order
– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.
– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.
– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.
– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.
– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals.
Culture
– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.
– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.
– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.
– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.
Employment and Small Businesses
– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:30 pm
sloper_road_legend wrote:Sven wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?
The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?"![]()
They will destroy this country, Relationships will be severely damage and it will cause outcry amoungst certain groups and cultures.
Not to mention it will take us back into dark ages its only now this last Decade the millenium onwards countries have started making massive steps forward in all areas of life and business, development.
There is no place for border line nazi governing laws and regulations in this day and age unless we want to be (an isolated Island) and we quite frankly can't afford to be just an Island
Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:05 am
Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:28 pm
popeye21 wrote:sloper_road_legend wrote:Sven wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?
The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?"![]()
They will destroy this country, Relationships will be severely damage and it will cause outcry amoungst certain groups and cultures.
Not to mention it will take us back into dark ages its only now this last Decade the millenium onwards countries have started making massive steps forward in all areas of life and business, development.
There is no place for border line nazi governing laws and regulations in this day and age unless we want to be (an isolated Island) and we quite frankly can't afford to be just an Island
How about enlightening us with which laws and regulations that are proposed by UKIP are 'nazi'? Ronnieconradsflatcap has made it easy for you by listing all of UKIP's aims after your above quoted post. I don't think that I'll await your response with bated breath.
Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:50 pm
abergblue wrote:Many of the other parties (especially the lefties) try to discredit UKIP by screaming racists at them.
But as UKIP seem to be saying what the silent majority think, the other parties are alienating themselves even more.
By abusing and name calling, more and more people could turn to UKIP to represent them.
It will split the Tory vote, but will also hit Labour in their taken for granted areas as well.
Remember a lot of the BNP vote was in Labour strongholds - not the Tory ones.