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Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:51 pm

bluemun wrote:UKIP are right-wing Thatcherites who have absolutely no solutions to the problems facing people. They play on fears of immigrants just like the BMP did. The real causes, of a rampant capitalism which creates more and more poverty are never addressed.

It was Labour's left-wing policies and open door immigration that has created the poverty. The gap between the rich and the poor grew to it's widest point since the workhouses of Victorian times under the last Labour government (OECD). Labour's open door immigration policy has taken low skilled jobs from the poorer elements of society, increased rents through housing shortages and increased waiting times for Doctors and Dentists appointments. They also made it easier for the rich to avoid tax when Gordon Brown allowed people to set themselves up as limited companies, thus paying corporation tax instead of income tax. £50k will buy a Gibraltar passport where they have 0% corporation tax and you don't even have to live there!

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:04 pm

but they still vote labour like sheep, in spite of the way labour have helped decimate working class jobs, and the fact they bankrupt the country by the time they leave office.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:26 am

What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:13 am

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:23 am

Its almost like the British Empire never happened to some people. We went around the globe destroying countries and taking all their wealth and then spent it all on wars and now suddenly everyone feels like Britain might not have any responsibility :roll:

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:09 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.


Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.

The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.

Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.

As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.

I didn't vote for him..........did you?

And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.

A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.

The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.

Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.

Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:13 pm

RFMH wrote:Its almost like the British Empire never happened to some people. We went around the globe destroying countries and taking all their wealth and then spent it all on wars and now suddenly everyone feels like Britain might not have any responsibility :roll:


That old chestnut again. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:24 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.


Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.

The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.

Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.

As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.

I didn't vote for him..........did you?

And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.

A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.

The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.

Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.

Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.



I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European. Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.
As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:39 pm

the UK as a whole would be best off keeping its EU money and spreading it around the poor regions like wales and N England, there would be much, much more money to go around as we get less back from the EU than we pay in, despite the rebate.

the EU needs the UK much more than the UK needs the EU.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:16 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.


Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.

The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.

Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.

As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.

I didn't vote for him..........did you?

And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.

A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.

The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.

Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.

Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.



I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European. Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.
As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.

The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:26 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.


Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.

The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.

Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.

As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.

I didn't vote for him..........did you?

And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.

A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.

The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.

Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.

Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.



BlueGog wrote:I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European.


I don't class myself as British at all, 100% English and English only! When I travel and sign into guest houses I sign the book, the usual thing, Name - Nationality - Passport number.

Sign in with a different name and then put 'English' as my nationality and juggle a few numbers in from my passport (Never know when things get on top) but when signing the book I have a look, Swiss, America, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, French, Dutch then you get to the British, last place there were 9 British entrance then I came across 'Welsh' and I thought good lad, There's a Welshman here so I signed in with 'English'. I'm English and proud and everyone should be proud of their own individual country. The government cringe when they have to mention 'English'.


BlueGog wrote:Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.


Yes you do have your own parliament and us English envoy you, wish us English could have our own like you the Scots and Irish as well, but that'll never happen as we're English and if you're English then you get squalidly squat as we're all little englanders don't know.

BlueGog wrote:As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.


Blame the Labour party and Tony (ban the bomb) Blair. Took us into an illegal war, dodgy dossier and yet again trying to impose his ideology onto the Middle East just like he did from 96 on us the UK. He wanted western style democracy in the middle east but the middle east democracy is still set in the 6th centenary and will never change.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:29 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:What infuriates me is the amount we pay the EU for membership and foreign aid.

EU Membership,£8.6Bn, or £23.5M a day.

foreign aid, £11.3bn.

DFID have given £1 billion to India in the last 5 years and is planning to spend a further £600 million in aid by 2015 even though India spends £20bn a year on defence and £6 billion a year on their space programme, most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank. Even the Indian prime minister has said India doesn't need the British aid.

Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain did.

International development secretary Justine Greening Image gave £345,000 to Africa so Africa could find the next spice girls (No, I'm not making it up).

When questioned about the foreign aid the three main partys, Lib/Tory/Labour have defended the aid saying why shouldn't we be given this amount, we're a rich country. You see, these three clown live on a different planet than us mere mortals. They live in the Westminster bubble, surrounded by private members.

When the great man (Nigel Farage) says he cut the foreign aid budget and spend it at home there is outrage from the the main party's and the usual name calling begins. I'd rather the aid budget be spent at home helping the British people for once.

No Dave, you don't speak for me or probably a good percentage of the British people you rich stuck up patronizing, Eton plumb in your mouth snob.




I'm in the people army and we're marching on to Westminster :thumbup:



...and I'm sure you have relatives, like many of us who fought against Fascism in Germany during WWII and now you're welcoming the same fascism to Westminster. I'm sure your relatives are spinning in their graves.
It started in exactly the same way in Germany, a popular movement when it was felt that Germans didn't get a fair deal in their own country. They got to power, and the rest as they say is history.


Same liberal rubbish denigrating the thick, elderly, white working class voters who have chosen to exercise their democratic right by voting for UKIP.

The anger expressed by on here by one or two towards UKIP voters is astounding, not least when it's clear from the Middleton and Heywood result that it includes significant numbers of ex Labour voters choosing to vote for UKIP. A classic case of playing the man and not the ball, if ever there was one.

Quite why you feel so much bitterness at the baby boomer generation is also mind boggling; I suspect at heart you consider yourself to be a progressive liberal type and yet evidently you are prepared to stereotype and generalize across a generation of your fellow countrymen and women. I can only presume you must hate that generation of your family...........strange.

As for any comparison between the EU and the Nazis, to be honest as evil as the ideology of the Nazis at least they did enter power through the German democratic system. I don't know if you know but recently the EU appointed some bloke to oversee their law making executive, essentially the most powerful man in the whole setup.

I didn't vote for him..........did you?

And Britain is sending more than £2million in aid to Argentina – even as Buenos Aires cranks up its hostility over the Falklands.

A report revealed that the amount of taxpayers’ cash spent on foreign development projects has soared by 65 per cent over the last decade to a massive £12 billion this year and will keep growing while we have the three loony tunes in charge.

The increase is more than double that of the G8 group of nations, made up of the UK, Germany, France, Russia, Japan, Italy, Canada and the US, as a whole.

Countries including China, Russia, Brazil, Iceland and Barbados are benefiting from funds intended to help the world’s poorest, despite a pledge for it to go only to the neediest.

Among the schemes being paid for are a Turkish television channel, a scheme promoting tourism in Iceland’s national park, and a hotel training waiters in the tourist destination of Barbados.

The situation was described by one MP as “farcical” last night. The Government is now under pressure to reform aid spending - and to axe a commitment to increase it at a time when every other area of government bar the NHS is due to be cut.

Everything is being cut in the UK but our our aid is increasing, George Osborne is like Freddie Kruger on the British people.



BlueGog wrote:I thinks the main difference between us is you consider yourself English/British while I consider myself Welsh and European.


I don't class myself as British at all, 100% English and English only! When I travel and sign into guest houses I sign the book, the usual thing, Name - Nationality - Passport number.

Sign in with a different name and then put 'English' as my nationality and juggle a few numbers in from my passport (Never know when things get on top) but when signing the book I have a look, Swiss, America, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, French, Dutch then you get to the British, last place there were 9 British entrance then I came across 'Welsh' and I thought good lad, There's a Welshman here so I signed in with 'English'. I'm English and proud and everyone should be proud of their own individual country. The government cringe when they have to mention 'English'.


BlueGog wrote:Thankfully we have our own parliament in Wales and we have the power to run some of our services. I imagine you live in south east England? You do not see the benefit of Europe as you live in one of the richest areas in Europe. We in Wales live in an area which is the poorest in Europe, yes poorer than Poland etc. Without the money Wales receives from Europe we simply could not exist.


Yes you do have your own parliament and us English envoy you, wish us English could have our own like you the Scots and Irish as well, but that'll never happen as we're English and if you're English then you get squalidly squat as we're all little englanders don't know.

BlueGog wrote:As another poster just put up on here Britain cannot just walk away from the mess it created in the world during the days of empire. Even the situation in Syria and Iraq now dates back to British policies at the beginning of the 20th century.


BlueGog wrote:Blame the Labour party and Tony (ban the bomb) Blair. Took us into an illegal war, dodgy dossier and yet again trying to impose his ideology onto the Middle East just like he did from 96 on us the UK. He wanted western style democracy in the middle east but the middle east democracy is still set in the 6th centenary and will never change.


Must get used to this multi quoting.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:44 pm

popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.


Which comic did you read that in? Germany is the largest contributor, both in absolute terms and per capita, France is second. UK is 4th!

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:47 pm

SwampCCFC wrote:the UK as a whole would be best off keeping its EU money and spreading it around the poor regions like wales and N England, there would be much, much more money to go around as we get less back from the EU than we pay in, despite the rebate.

the EU needs the UK much more than the UK needs the EU.


And the rebate has dwindle thanks again to Tony Blair and the Labour party. The EU and especially Angela Merkel are terrified of the UK leaving the EU as her pet project would be ruined. Germany run Europe and all this bullshit about Britain being better off in the EU than out is a myth. Our jobs rely on being in? Really. The three main partys bang the same drum about we're better off being in but they never give us the reasons. I wonder why.

We're better out and govern ourselfs.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:13 pm

CayoBluebird wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.


Which comic did you read that in? Germany is the largest contributor, both in absolute terms and per capita, France is second. UK is 4th!

Sorry, your right I missed the word 'net' contributor - after subsidies which are heavily in favour of CAP.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:37 pm

Benefits in Europe: country by country.

AUSTRIA

Health care Available immediately, but only if you pay “social insurance”

Child benefit Immediate payment of £89 per month

Unemployment benefit Only available to people who have paid social insurance

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

BELGIUM

Health care Available after a year

Child benefit £115 a month, available immediately

Unemployment benefit Have to have previously worked in Belgium

Housing benefit No national scheme; amounts vary regionally.


BULGARIA

Health care Free emergency care immediately; other treatments only available if you pay social insurance

Child benefit Targeted schemes restricted to Bulgarian citizens

Unemployment benefit Minimum of nine months of working in the country required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediate monthly allowance buzt only if you have a local authority home already

CYPRUS

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate yearly payment of £444

Unemployment benefit Six months of work in Cyprus required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediately available, limited to £506 a month

CZECH REPUBLIC

Health care Available immediately but cash charges apply

Child benefit £23 a month available immediately

Unemployment benefit 12-month minimum qualifying period

Housing benefit Available immediately

DENMARK

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Up to £161 a month available after 12 months

Unemployment benefit Minimum of one year’s work required to qualify

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

ESTONIA

Health care Available immediately but cash payments required for some treatments

Child benefit £16 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit £12.50 per week available immediately

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

FINLAND

Health care Public health service charging flat-rate fees. Available immediately

Child benefit £88 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Basic weekly unemployment allowance available after two months

Housing benefit Up to 80 per cent of housing costs available immediately but system varies regionally

FRANCE

Health care Only available with a card proving entitlement, issued to residents

Child benefit Immediate payment, but only for parents with more than one child

Unemployment benefit Four-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Immediate; scheme based on house size and local factors

GERMANY

Health care Only available with a health insurance card

Child benefit £155 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Immediate means-tested allowance for jobseekers who have made "intensive efforts" to find work

Housing benefit Full amount of housing costs available immediately

GREECE

Health care 100 days of work required to qualify

Child benefit No equivalent scheme

Unemployment benefit Minimum of six months of work required to qualify

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

HUNGARY

Health care Not immediately available

Child benefit £40.60 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Minimum qualifying period of 360 days

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

IRELAND

Health care Free after living in Ireland for three consecutive years, but free immediately to UK citizens

Child benefit £110 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit £160 per week available immediately

Housing benefit Immediate rent supplement providing short-term support

ITALY

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit No equivalent scheme

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of three months

Housing benefit No national scheme; varies according to region

LATVIA

Health care Public health service with fees for GP and hospital visits, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £9.30

Unemployment benefit One-year qualifying period

Housing benefit Varies locally

LITHUANIA

Health care Three months qualifying period but “urgent care” free immediately

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £24

Unemployment benefit 18-month qualifying period

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

LUXEMBOURG

Health care Not available immediately, as insurance-based

Child benefit £157.10 per month available immediately

Unemployment benefit Minimum of six months of work required to qualify

Housing benefit Immediate rent allowance of up to £104.90

MALTA

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate payment; up to £81.55 a month

Unemployment benefit Immediate means-tested benefit of up to £16 per day

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

POLAND

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £54 per month

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of one year

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

PORTUGAL

Health care Free, available immediately

Child benefit Monthly payment of up to £40

Unemployment benefit Qualifying period of 180 days

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

ROMANIA

Health care six-month qualifying period, except for emergencies

Child benefit monthly payment of up to £20

Unemployment benefit minimum qualifying period of 12 months

Housing benefit no equivalent scheme

SLOVAKIA

Health care immediately available; nominal cash payment for treatments

Child benefit immediate monthly payment of £19

Unemployment benefit minimum two-year qualifying period

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

SLOVENIA

Health care Available immediately but required to pay minimum of 10 per cent of some treatment costs

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £97 per month

Unemployment benefit Minimum contribution of nine months

Housing benefit Only available if you already have social housing

SPAIN

Health care Only available with a card proving entitlement

Child benefit Immediate payment of up to £20 per month

Unemployment benefit Immediate payment available based on a variable proportion of average wages

Housing benefit No equivalent scheme

SWEDEN

Health care Available immediately; basic fees for care

Child benefit Immediate monthly payment of £101

Unemployment benefit Six-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Immediate monthly allowance of up to £125

HOLLAND

Health care only available with a certificate proving entitlement

Child benefit Immediate payment of £943 per year

Unemployment benefit Six-month qualifying period

Housing benefit Means tested, available immediately

UNITED KINGDOM

Health care Available immediately and free of charge under the National Health Service

Child benefit Paid immediately if the child is under 16, or 16 to 19 and in education or training, and the claimant has an individual income of less than £50,000. Amount is £20.30 a week for the eldest or only child, £13.40 per additional child

Unemployment benefit Immediate payment of £71.70 a week in Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) after proving you are actively seeking work. EU migrants have to pass the “right-to-reside” test to show they are “economically active”. The European Commission wants to abolish this test. There is also contribution-based additional JSA which is only available after working for at least two years.

Housing benefit Available immediately if you are on a low income, whether you are working or unemployed.

How much depends on individual circumstances, but amount cannot normally exceed £250 per week for a one-bedroom property, or up to £400 a week for four bedrooms or more

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:46 pm

Not sure why people think the Tories would form a gov with UKIP. They are losing voters to UKIP every day, why on earth would they want to empower them.

If anything, UKIP would merge with Labour.

UKIP won't be in goverment in 2015. Farage is not a deputy PM.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:05 pm

Absolutely sick to death of our politicians who are so out of touch with the majority of the population. The sooner we change our political system the better. Our health and education systems need taking out of government hands. The health service should be given a budget from govt and it should be ran by doctors and nurses who know what they are talking about. Health care hold be free to all uk born people. Those from overseas should be required to be paying national insurance contributions.

The education system should be funded by government. It should be run by educationalists who decide on curriculum policy.

We should reduce number of MPs from the 650 or so that we have down to 500. The elitist House of Lords should be closed and Downing street and chequers should be sold off. MPs should be paid more than they are getting but they should not be able to claim expenses (other than mileage or standard class rail fares)and they should have 1 secretary to do admin etc.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:24 pm

popeye21 wrote:
CayoBluebird wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
The money given by the EU mostly comes from the UK, we give 20x the French and 50% more than the Germany (which has a 50% bigger population than the UK). If we came out of the EU we would have far more money to spend on the poorer parts of the UK.


Which comic did you read that in? Germany is the largest contributor, both in absolute terms and per capita, France is second. UK is 4th!

Sorry, your right I missed the word 'net' contributor - after subsidies which are heavily in favour of CAP.

I will admit that the figures I used were from before the last general election. However, as the accounts for the EU haven't been signed by the auditors for 18 years as they don't want to be tried for fraud, the figures of EU expenditure etc. are not readily available and I hadn't Googled them for a few years. I have now found some from the Guardian of 22nd November 2012 which show the following :-
Germany contributed 19.67; France 18.05; Italy 14.34 and the UK 11.27 (all figures are billions of Euros).
The EU then spent on each country - Germany 12.13; France 13.16; Italy 9.59 and UK 6.57.
Therefore the net payments are - Germany 7.54; France - 4.89; Italy 4.75 and the UK 4.7.
This shows that the freezing of CAP is starting to reign in the imbalance, but what is interesting is the spend by the EU per person in Euros - Germany 148; France 202; Italy 158 and the UK 105. The UK has the lowest amount spent on it per person than ANY EU COUNTRY except Croatia (but they hadn't made any contributions at the time of these stats, hence the lower spend). The UK is still getting a bad deal as we are the 10th richest country in the world, Germany the 5th (50% richer than the UK, France the 8th and Italy the 12th.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:56 pm

UKIP plan to auction nhs to private companies.
UKIP plan to introduce a flat rate of tax,raising taxes for the poorest, while the wealthy would pay much less
UKIP want to scrap your legal right to four weeks paid holiday
UKIP think job security is a luxury you should pay for with lower wages
UKIP want to scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses



BE Careful
What you wish for

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:32 pm

splottbluebird48 wrote:UKIP plan to auction nhs to private companies.
UKIP plan to introduce a flat rate of tax,raising taxes for the poorest, while the wealthy would pay much less
UKIP want to scrap your legal right to four weeks paid holiday
UKIP think job security is a luxury you should pay for with lower wages
UKIP want to scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses



BE Careful
What you wish for

None of the above are UKIP policies :-
http://www.ukip.org/issues

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:00 pm

popeye21 wrote:
splottbluebird48 wrote:UKIP plan to auction nhs to private companies.
UKIP plan to introduce a flat rate of tax,raising taxes for the poorest, while the wealthy would pay much less
UKIP want to scrap your legal right to four weeks paid holiday
UKIP think job security is a luxury you should pay for with lower wages
UKIP want to scrap the right to maternity leave for women working for small businesses



BE Careful
What you wish for

None of the above are UKIP policies :-
http://www.ukip.org/issues


:thumbup:

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:17 pm

Sven wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?





The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?" ;) :thumbup:



They will destroy this country, Relationships will be severely damage and it will cause outcry amoungst certain groups and cultures.
Not to mention it will take us back into dark ages its only now this last Decade the millenium onwards countries have started making massive steps forward in all areas of life and business, development.

There is no place for border line nazi governing laws and regulations in this day and age unless we want to be (an isolated Island) and we quite frankly can't afford to be just an Island

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:30 pm

UKIP

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity

- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.

– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.

– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.

– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).

– Inheritance tax will be abolished.

– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.

– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions.

– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.

– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.

– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.

– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.

– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.

– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.

– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.

– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.

– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.

– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority.

– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.

– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force

– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.

– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.

– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.

– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.

– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.

– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.

– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.

– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.

–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.

– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.

– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.

– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.

– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.

– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care.

Controlling and managing our borders

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.

– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.

– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.

– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work) when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.

– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK.

– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.

– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable.

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.

– British organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.

Energy

– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.

– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.

– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.

– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment. Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.

– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.

– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.

– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.

– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.

– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.

– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.

– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.

– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.

– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.

– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.

Transport

– We will scrap HS2.

– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.

– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.

– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.

– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.

– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites. Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.

– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.


– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.

– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.

– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.

– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.

– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.

– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.

– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals.

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.

– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.

– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’

– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.

– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.

– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.

– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.

– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications

– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.

– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.

– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.


:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:55 pm

ronnieconradsflatcap wrote:UKIP

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity

- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.

– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.

– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.

– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).

– Inheritance tax will be abolished.


– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.

– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions.

– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.

– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.

– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.

– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.

– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.

– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees.

– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.

– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.

– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.

– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority.

– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.

– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force

– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.

– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.

– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.

– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.

– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.

– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.

– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.

– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.

–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.

– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.

– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.

– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.

– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.

– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care.

Controlling and managing our borders

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.

– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.

– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.

– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work) when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.

– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK.

– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.

– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable.

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.

– British organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.

Energy

– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.

– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.

– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.

– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment. Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.

– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.

– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy. Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms.

– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.

– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.

– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.

– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.

– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.

– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only.

– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.

– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.

Transport

– We will scrap HS2.

– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.

– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.

– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.

– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.

– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites. Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.

– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.


– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.

– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.

– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.

– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.

– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.

– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.

– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals.

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.

– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.

– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’

– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.

– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.

– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.

– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.

– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications

– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.

– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.

– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.


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Wow, great read that was. No doubt the usual crap will be rolled out saying Ukip have no policys,time for a glass of red or bottle :thumbup:

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:30 pm

sloper_road_legend wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?





The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?" ;) :thumbup:



They will destroy this country, Relationships will be severely damage and it will cause outcry amoungst certain groups and cultures.
Not to mention it will take us back into dark ages its only now this last Decade the millenium onwards countries have started making massive steps forward in all areas of life and business, development.

There is no place for border line nazi governing laws and regulations in this day and age unless we want to be (an isolated Island) and we quite frankly can't afford to be just an Island

How about enlightening us with which laws and regulations that are proposed by UKIP are 'nazi'? Ronnieconradsflatcap has made it easy for you by listing all of UKIP's aims after your above quoted post. I don't think that I'll await your response with bated breath.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:05 am

Irrespective of any of the above, it will be a long time before we see a smaller party take control of the government.

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:28 pm

popeye21 wrote:
sloper_road_legend wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Who is to say ukip won't deliver on their promises?





The question may well be "Can they do any worse than two parties (two and a half IF you include the Limp/Dem Party) already out there?" ;) :thumbup:



They will destroy this country, Relationships will be severely damage and it will cause outcry amoungst certain groups and cultures.
Not to mention it will take us back into dark ages its only now this last Decade the millenium onwards countries have started making massive steps forward in all areas of life and business, development.

There is no place for border line nazi governing laws and regulations in this day and age unless we want to be (an isolated Island) and we quite frankly can't afford to be just an Island

How about enlightening us with which laws and regulations that are proposed by UKIP are 'nazi'? Ronnieconradsflatcap has made it easy for you by listing all of UKIP's aims after your above quoted post. I don't think that I'll await your response with bated breath.

Still waiting!

Re: UKIP - ARE WE SEEING A TURN IN BRITISH POLITICS?

Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:50 pm

abergblue wrote:Many of the other parties (especially the lefties) try to discredit UKIP by screaming racists at them.
But as UKIP seem to be saying what the silent majority think, the other parties are alienating themselves even more.
By abusing and name calling, more and more people could turn to UKIP to represent them.

It will split the Tory vote, but will also hit Labour in their taken for granted areas as well.
Remember a lot of the BNP vote was in Labour strongholds - not the Tory ones.

yes this is true.the old nf used to take disgruntled tory votes.the bnp gain labour votes as their policies are other than the obvious immigration ones not that right wing really.iv spoke to my local labour councillors and prosective mp about ignoring the white working class vote.they admitted to me they MUST start listening to their core voters again.look,its very apparent the uk dont want a racist gov.dealing with radical islamics and beefing up our border controlls isnt racist.the partys that play the smear game from now on will pay the price.instead of voters saying im not a racist but im fed up of this they will just vote ukip.they have a voice.i prob wont vote ukip but im glad they are here to shake up the stagnent political process