Another route has been dropped at Cardiff airport

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Just thought I would let you know, Easyjet have NO flights going from Bristol to Glasgow, got it wrong again haven't you?

You are wrong, there are 2 per day going out of Bristol one at just after 7am and the other around 4pm

If you read my post carefully I said in reply to adam that Easyjet has no flights, going to glasgow and that is correct, wether any other airline has is not the question

You are confusing me, easyjet fly twice per day from Bristol to Glasgow and back - What am i not reading carefully?

Bristol
to Glasgow
Dep 07:15 - Arr 08:30
Flight EZY401
1 Adult
1 x £33.99

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

That's you're option, but surely no one can say that this was going to be a quick fix. It will take many, many years for the airport to get back to its peak.

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

That's you're option, but surely no one can say that this was going to be a quick fix. It will take many, many years for the airport to get back to its peak.

and that's taxpayers money which Wales cannot afford. How many routes have been pulled since the WAG took it over compared to how many they have won.?

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

That's you're option, but surely no one can say that this was going to be a quick fix. It will take many, many years for the airport to get back to its peak.

and that's taxpayers money which Wales cannot afford. How many routes have been pulled since the WAG took it over compared to how many they have won.?

As no one was going to buy out veuling and they just left airport to run down, you are saying rhoose should have closed as that surely was only option Or was there an alternative?

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

That's you're option, but surely no one can say that this was going to be a quick fix. It will take many, many years for the airport to get back to its peak.

and that's taxpayers money which Wales cannot afford. How many routes have been pulled since the WAG took it over compared to how many they have won.?

As no one was going to buy out veuling and they just left airport to run down, you are saying rhoose should have closed as that surely was only option Or was there an alternative?

The preferred option by the Independent advisors was the Sevenside Airport option yet a couple of weeks after receiving that advice they got for what will make out to be the most expensive option in the long term. The place is a vanity project by the WAG at our expense

Welsh labour bought it, it's in they're basket, if they get planning permission for housing and relocate to a more strategic area great, but can you actually believe that they will admit they are wrong about anything.. As with education they just change the rules!

I did a search easyjet bristol to glasgow and the search came back no flights available, maybe they know me and did not want me to fly with them so sorry to jhippno and Adam I was wrong

The WAG should never have risked our taxes in the first place on the shithole and had gone with the Independent advice they spend millions on already and gone with the Sevenside Airport project: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23988550

The wag waste millions every year on jollies and scrapping projects so what's new. They are politicians and therefore generally twats of the highest degree out for themselves....

All comes down to landing fees and cardiffs are far too high to attract airlines! Its never going to be competitive while they are so high! Also poor city transport and road links!

All comes down to landing fees and cardiffs are far too high to attract airlines! Its never going to be competitive while they are so high! Also poor city transport and road links!

That's supposed to be a myth from many moons ago.
I was told ours are lower than Bristol.

Not happy with this. Booked my flight for the England Scotland friendly in November. Now had to pay treble from Bristol and city jet want to take fifteen working days to refund money after me phoning them !!

you may find that Welsh Government are waiting for the finance to be agreed with the electrification of the valley's rail lines before improving the rail links to the airport.

If Wales get a large chunk of money, as was promised but is not certain to happen, don't be surprised if money is diverted into a railway link from the Barry Bridgend line at Portherry straight into the airport car park.

the road links would have probably been upgraded from the M4, as mentioned by someone else, if the RAF St Athan training camp had gone ahead. But it was high jacked by the English at the last minute, and the roads stay the same....for now.
The roads are still better than those to Bristol.

Possibly existing contracts at Bristol and uncertainty with the current economics deters airlines from moving to Rhoose at present ?

The problem with Cityjet is the size of there aircraft, because they only have 50 seats on there aircrafts out of Cardiff, it doesn't take long for the base price to rise (£99 return) even there base starting price is probally a little more expensive than Easyjet at Bristol so it isnt a good starting point.

The CEO of Cityjet wanted around 65% load factors for all routes from Cardiff to be successful. The Glasgow route was achieving mid 50's which is why it has been chopped for winter (no mention of next summer as of yet) on the other hand Edinburgh and Paris are achieving acceptable loads which is why they are still at Cardiff through the winter months.

I think its harsh for people to say the airport is pointless. The Amsterdam route has had 17 consecutive months of growth carrying around 10-11,000 every month with the Dublin route also growing this year also.

Remember Ryanair is back now too, starting the end of this month for a year round service to Tenerife and also Vueling have grown from Cardiff with their four routes too. 2 big players in the low cost market, with I imagine intentions to grow their network from Cardiff even more.

The airport will also now be in the public eye and rightly so with millions of tax payers money being spent on it, but the question is; would Wales be taken seriously around the world in terms of trade and tourism without a national airport?

Millions of tax payers money wasted on it you mean!!

That's you're option, but surely no one can say that this was going to be a quick fix. It will take many, many years for the airport to get back to its peak.

and that's taxpayers money which Wales cannot afford. How many routes have been pulled since the WAG took it over compared to how many they have won.?

As no one was going to buy out veuling and they just left airport to run down, you are saying rhoose should have closed as that surely was only option Or was there an alternative?

The preferred option by the Independent advisors was the Sevenside Airport option yet a couple of weeks after receiving that advice they got for what will make out to be the most expensive option in the long term. The place is a vanity project by the WAG at our expense

As I pointed out sevenside is about 40yrs old, its OK them saying its best option but did they ask Bristol? Because unless they agree as well its never going to happen is it? Svenside was suppose to be joint venture when 1st muted not a wag only enterprise. So not sure why consultants would advocate something that was never going to happen?

Airlines are deterred from flying from rhoose because of its small catchment area, and lack of routes which provide HIGH YIELDS.
That's why airlines stay away from cardiff , not enough people willing or able to pay top dollar for those last expensive seats on the aeroplane.

Landing fees at cardiff are comparible with those at Bristol, both are published on each airports websites.

Rhoose has always been , and will remain a small regional airport ,even at the height of the BMI baby and air wales days it only achieved 1.8m pax a year.

A bit of realism is required.

Just thought I would let you know, Easyjet have NO flights going from Bristol to Glasgow, got it wrong again haven't you?

You are wrong, there are 2 per day going out of Bristol one at just after 7am and the other around 4pm

That was time for flights to Edinburgh when they were at roose, bristol just walk all over us in everything to win customers we just lay back and take it.

What do you mean that they let Bristol walk all over us ?

Surely Cardiff can try to get as much business as possible. Bristol and Cardiff are totally independent of each other aren't they ?

As others have said, there are more Welsh accents at Bristol airport than West Country.

Over the last few years Cardiff have lost more business and is now below Southampton, not far ahead of Exeter and Bournemouth and Bristol now has over 6 times more passengers as Cardiff.

you may find that Welsh Government are waiting for the finance to be agreed with the electrification of the valley's rail lines before improving the rail links to the airport.

If Wales get a large chunk of money, as was promised but is not certain to happen, don't be surprised if money is diverted into a railway link from the Barry Bridgend line at Portherry straight into the airport car park.

the road links would have probably been upgraded from the M4, as mentioned by someone else, if the RAF St Athan training camp had gone ahead. But it was high jacked by the English at the last minute, and the roads stay the same....for now.
The roads are still better than those to Bristol.

Possibly existing contracts at Bristol and uncertainty with the current economics deters airlines from moving to Rhoose at present ?

Hang on it wasn't long ago they were there with their flags announcing the opening of the Airport train station yet it wasn't until people tried it that they found out that the station built was actually in Rhoose itself and a further mini-bus service is required!!!!

Just thought I would let you know, Easyjet have NO flights going from Bristol to Glasgow, got it wrong again haven't you?

You are wrong, there are 2 per day going out of Bristol one at just after 7am and the other around 4pm

That was time for flights to Edinburgh when they were at roose, bristol just walk all over us in everything to win customers we just lay back and take it.

What do you mean that they let Bristol walk all over us ?

Surely Cardiff can try to get as much business as possible. Bristol and Cardiff are totally independent of each other aren't they ?

As others have said, there are more Welsh accents at Bristol airport than West Country.

Over the last few years Cardiff have lost more business and is now below Southampton, not far ahead of Exeter and Bournemouth and Bristol now has over 6 times more passengers as Cardiff.

if bristol wants something they do everything they can to get it! we look at possibility but then say euro rules prevent us doing it? bristol just find way around it we dont its that simple! also wag couldnt run orgy in brothel when it comes to seeing things, eg usa airline wanted use rhoose because it can take big jets non stop bristol cant, but they wanted 1m a year subsidy for 4yrs to establish route wag said no, but yet prepared to subsidise north wales route to tune of 1.5m a year. for mainly politicians, and economically usa route could bring in 200m in future plus encourage other airlines to use rhoose. we have missed boat big time now because of economic state be hard to retrieve things in short period.

theres also another airport in Bristol for corgo only so surely merging the 3 airports together it would benefit all because the runway in Bristols passenger airport isn't big enough for larger planes

The truth is for many people, certainly in the eastern side of wales its just as easy to go to Bristol as Cardiff, its easier to check in, its a bigger airport, it has decent food and drink outlets, better destination, its cheaper.........and when you land you don't have to walk a mile to wait 45 mins to get your case back.

This is not good news for the airport and it confirms again that the lack of a low cost airline is holding it back.

I know and work with people who travel regularly to Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow. All fly from Bristol based mainly on price along with a good choice of flight times (with numerous flights throughout the day).

Not only have the Glasgow flights been cancelled, the Edinburgh flights have been cut back.

Hopefully the airport will come out with some good news soon but I'm not holding my breath

I see that City Jet are stopping their route from Cardiff to Glasgow now. That airport is a waste of time and taxpayers money

I always use Cardiff.Bristol is shit to get to and the staff are miserable twats.Well done the Assembly Government.Some people don't deserve local facilities like this.You could be living in Blackpool.Their airport closes next week.Cardiff was a thriving Airport under public ownership till the greedy Tories sold it to their mates on the cheap.Cardiff will outstrip Bristol eventualy with its longer runway.If Cardiff were to close you would see the prices at Bristol go through the roof.

I see that City Jet are stopping their route from Cardiff to Glasgow now. That airport is a waste of time and taxpayers money

I always use Cardiff.Bristol is shit to get to and the staff are miserable twats.Well done the Assembly Government.Some people don't deserve local facilities like this.You could be living in Blackpool.Their airport closes next week.Cardiff was a thriving Airport under public ownership till the greedy Tories sold it to their mates on the cheap.Cardiff will outstrip Bristol eventualy with its longer runway.If Cardiff were to close you would see the prices at Bristol go through the roof.

Blackpool is a good example of what can happen to airports that are allowed to drift.

I agree the Assembly stepping in was the best thing that could have happened. Getting someone like Jet 2 to have a presence at the airport would be ideal - Easyjet and Ryanair are too established at Bristol now to make any real move across.

I see that City Jet are stopping their route from Cardiff to Glasgow now. That airport is a waste of time and taxpayers money

I always use Cardiff.Bristol is shit to get to and the staff are miserable twats.Well done the Assembly Government.Some people don't deserve local facilities like this.You could be living in Blackpool.Their airport closes next week.Cardiff was a thriving Airport under public ownership till the greedy Tories sold it to their mates on the cheap.Cardiff will outstrip Bristol eventualy with its longer runway.If Cardiff were to close you would see the prices at Bristol go through the roof.

You do know how close both Liverpool and Manchester are to Blackpool don't you ?

I see that City Jet are stopping their route from Cardiff to Glasgow now. That airport is a waste of time and taxpayers money

I always use Cardiff.Bristol is shit to get to and the staff are miserable twats.Well done the Assembly Government.Some people don't deserve local facilities like this.You could be living in Blackpool.Their airport closes next week.Cardiff was a thriving Airport under public ownership till the greedy Tories sold it to their mates on the cheap.Cardiff will outstrip Bristol eventualy with its longer runway.If Cardiff were to close you would see the prices at Bristol go through the roof.

You do know how close both Liverpool and Manchester are to Blackpool don't you ?

Not the point.

I see that City Jet are stopping their route from Cardiff to Glasgow now. That airport is a waste of time and taxpayers money

I always use Cardiff.Bristol is shit to get to and the staff are miserable twats.Well done the Assembly Government.Some people don't deserve local facilities like this.You could be living in Blackpool.Their airport closes next week.Cardiff was a thriving Airport under public ownership till the greedy Tories sold it to their mates on the cheap.Cardiff will outstrip Bristol eventualy with its longer runway.If Cardiff were to close you would see the prices at Bristol go through the roof.

You do know how close both Liverpool and Manchester are to Blackpool don't you ?

Not the point.

Of course its the point as they are both only an hour away from Blackpool and Manchester is also a long haul hub. There's simply no room for another airport in the area as the North West isn't London by any means.

When I can I use Cardiff airport, but the lack of frequent flights to a number of destinations is an issue as is the fact that it is not easy to get to (and I live in Cardiff). Plenty of destinations rely on a stop in Amsterdam which can add hours to a journey. 2 hours down the road is Heathrow and all the flights that has to offer, which makes it difficult for Cardiff to compete on even a European level.

Ultimately if the passenger numbers aren't there then airlines won't come - unless the WAG offer huge subsidies to get the ball rolling.

Fewer people booking package holidays and wanting to do their own thing doesn't help Cardiff either.

Is the Dublin route next - tried getting prices for a connecting flight to the US next year but nothing available after March. You can get prices from Bristol