Gabbidon: " Lack of black bosses "

IN FACT I AGREE WITH EVERY F**KING THING TONIGHT

Very few people get to be a professional football player even fewer get to manage a professional football team. I would guess that the percentages work out about right.
I certainly wont be losing any sleep over it.
There are hundreds of thousands of successful black people in the UK, in all sorts of careers and jobs.

not a single Romany in the NBA.Somethings wrong ....or do they just pick the best guys for the job.?

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the problem is high up in most boards its still a old and white dinosour enviroment it will change within 20-30 years like the rest of this country it will be half muslim and ethnic

Only half!?

He should only be given the job if he can do it not because he is Black. Is he trying to get the job on the race card or on his ability ?

He doesn't want the job, he's shying away from it as much as he can. Young is the one that wants it the most

not a single Romany in the NBA.Somethings wrong ....or do they just pick the best guys for the job.?

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I bet the one with the starting gun was non-black. #satire

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

There is no such thing as a race card, just a phrase used to silence people who point out racism exists.

to be a manager any applicant would need his coaching badges.is anyone seriously suggesting that black people are banned from gaining them?black people can get them like white people.they need to do them though.if they dont they cant apply.simple.john barnes came in at the top end.celtic job.no word of him not paying his dues and learning his trade in the lower leagues etc.they sacked him cos he was pants.then a bit later he,s maoning about a lack of black managers.bit rich ay it?

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

There is no such thing as a race card, just a phrase used to silence people who point out racism exists.

really.?i remember george galloway mentioning the labour candidates jewish heritage when he was fighting a east end seat in a muslim area for the respect party.just a coinsisidence?

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

Totally agree Rowan. This is a distraction from the real target which is to get the best possible manager for Cardiff. Quite frankly, if it was Paul the octopus or Lenny Henry, I wouldn't care, as long as he got results and progression (not necessarily in that order).

Haven't seen you on here much btw but enjoy reading your comments. Get on it mucker!!!!

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

There is no such thing as a race card, just a phrase used to silence people who point out racism exists.

Of course there is such a thing as playing the race card. Everyone knows racism exists, so does rape however to accuse the chairmen of football clubs as being rapists is just as unfounded as accusing them of racism. So id ask Danny, who is he referring to exactly?

I hate stuff like this, its a bit "old hat" isnt it. Where does it end? Not enough chinese bosses? Muslim bosses? Disabled bosses? Under 30 year old bosses, female bosses, ex goalie bosses... No need to play the race card and it is frustrating to hear it continually rolled out in 2014. If hes good enough then he will be a candidate. He is basically accusing football chairmen on racism, yet black players are signed every year. Its nonsense from Gabbs.

Totally agree Rowan. This is a distraction from the real target which is to get the best possible manager for Cardiff. Quite frankly, if it was Paul the octopus or Lenny Henry, I wouldn't care, as long as he got results and progression (not necessarily in that order).

Haven't seen you on here much btw but enjoy reading your comments. Get on it mucker!!!!

Thanks Willie, dont often come on here but like to add to the debate when i do : ayatollah:

On one hand you can see where he's coming from, but a manager (like anyone) is only taken on, on merit. What do people expect - rip up the shortlist of good candidates and take on one of five or so black/ethnic guys because there aren't enough of them?

On one hand you can see where he's coming from, but a manager (like anyone) is only taken on, on merit. What do people expect - rip up the shortlist of good candidates and take on one of five or so black/ethnic guys because there aren't enough of them?

It would catch up with the rest of society then Chief. Jobs going now and many times it is only intended for the ethnic or transgender section of society. Many a time someone hasn't got the job because they are straight and white.
I loved Gabby as a player I got to say but if he has the potential to be a manager get your badges start at the bottom and prove you can do the job. But in football management it's cut throat and I wonder if many owners of clubs think if I sack them will they play the race card ? And then think is it worth the risk. It doesn't take much to be branded a racist and careers are ruined. Sometimes black people are there worst enemies.

On one hand you can see where he's coming from, but a manager (like anyone) is only taken on, on merit. What do people expect - rip up the shortlist of good candidates and take on one of five or so black/ethnic guys because there aren't enough of them?

It would catch up with the rest of society then Chief. Jobs going now and many times it is only intended for the ethnic or transgender section of society. Many a time someone hasn't got the job because they are straight and white.
I loved Gabby as a player I got to say but if he has the potential to be a manager get your badges start at the bottom and prove you can do the job. But in football management it's cut throat and I wonder if many owners of clubs think if I sack them will they play the race card ? And then think is it worth the risk. It doesn't take much to be branded a racist and careers are ruined. Sometimes black people are there worst enemies.

Complete garbage, if you think society isn't prejudice against PoC, you're wrong. Simple as.

On one hand you can see where he's coming from, but a manager (like anyone) is only taken on, on merit. What do people expect - rip up the shortlist of good candidates and take on one of five or so black/ethnic guys because there aren't enough of them?

It would catch up with the rest of society then Chief. Jobs going now and many times it is only intended for the ethnic or transgender section of society. Many a time someone hasn't got the job because they are straight and white.
I loved Gabby as a player I got to say but if he has the potential to be a manager get your badges start at the bottom and prove you can do the job. But in football management it's cut throat and I wonder if many owners of clubs think if I sack them will they play the race card ? And then think is it worth the risk. It doesn't take much to be branded a racist and careers are ruined. Sometimes black people are there worst enemies.

Complete garbage, if you think society isn't prejudice against PoC, you're wrong. Simple as.

Thats the difference.

This thread, and in particular Gabbidon are not talking about "society in general" it is specifically aimed at football chairmen. Society doesn't employ clubs managers for them. Is Huw Jenkins a racist because he hasnt employed a black manager? Is Tan a racist because he isnt considering Gabbidon for the permanent role? Are they sexist because they havent employed a woman? Do they have a deep hatred of the young which is why not many 20 something year olds get managerial positions? Like i said, where does it end?

People like Gabbidon keep racism alive by making race issues in situations that there arent any. Does Gabbidon really think the colour of his skin is preventing him from getting a top managerial role, or is it an easy excuse to roll out to cover his clear inadequate credentials? Id say the latter.

Don't know why people are getting upset by Gabbs' comment. I don't know the exact stats but I would guess that at least 25% of footballers are black yet only 2 black managers at the moment which works out at around 2%. On the basis that black people are just as good as white people and have the same level of potential in the field of management it would suggest that there is some form of discrimination going on in the boardrooms of our 92 clubs. How else would you explain those figures?

You have to be careful with stats like that. There are 25% black players NOW, however due to the level of desired experience required to be a manager most come from an era maybe 2 decades ago, meaning in 2 decades from now you may be seeing the figure closer to the 25% mark. However, there is a nationality thing, the UK is a predominantly white nation and a large % of these 25% black players are probably not british, some as a result wont speak the language as well or know the British game as well having not been brought up in the country and that is an instant disadvantage, however still not race based but experience based.

But back to the first point - The average age of a Premier league manager last year was 50.2 years old, meaning to be of average Premier League managerial age you would have had to be playing late 80's early 90's. That was before the influx of foreigners and there has certainly been an increase of PoC participation levels in the last decade.

All in all, its a non issue.

The average age of a Premier league manager last year was 50.2 years old, meaning to be of average Premier League managerial age you would have had to be playing late 80's early 90's. That was before the influx of foreigners and there has certainly been an increase of PoC participation levels in the last decade.

Lambert, Monk, Pochettino, Hughes, Martinez, Poyet, Dyche, all finished their careers post 2002, yet have jobs in the Highest league in the country. Yet Chris Powell (finished in 2010) is the only black manager in all four leagues.

You're suggesting no black person, bar Chris Powell, is currently good enough? Scary. It's not like anyone's advocating clubs are forced to hire anyone either. Just over reaction from people who want the status quo.

The average age of a Premier league manager last year was 50.2 years old, meaning to be of average Premier League managerial age you would have had to be playing late 80's early 90's. That was before the influx of foreigners and there has certainly been an increase of PoC participation levels in the last decade.

Lambert, Monk, Pochettino, Hughes, Martinez, Poyet, Dyche, all finished their careers post 2002, yet have jobs in the Highest league in the country. Yet Chris Powell (finished in 2010) is the only black manager in all four leagues.

You're suggesting no black person, bar Chris Powell, is currently good enough? Scary. It's not like anyone's advocating clubs are forced to hire anyone either. Just over reaction from people who want the status quo.

This is getting silly now. You can't accuse a system of racism when so many of the examples you mentioned are non-British!! If you do, that is in itself discrimination. You can't identify one ethnic group like that without offending Latinos, etc. Are you seriously suggesting that South Americans are favoured over British black people when very often, English is a problem for immigrant coaches?

Have a look at the 10 top paid sportsmen on the planet and there are more than a token representation of superb black athletes. They are paid on merit. They live and die by their skills. Nothing to do with skin colour. Are you suggesting that if Floyd Mayweather decided to become a couch, he'd be shut out? (Different sport granted but the same market forces are at work).

Here's the crux of the matter: Very few black athletes are coming forward to take their badges and then apply for managerial posts. Fact. Why? There is an element of low aspiration when it comes to children in schools and youth sports organisations. Fact. Why?

My opinion: Young black people feel disenfranchised and lack confidence because there aren't enough role models for them in society that they can identify with. There has been an explosion in the number of top quality black athletes all over the world and the UK is no exception, despite a relatively low black population. These are the first role models and they are being followed by all young people. The second wave of role models in managerial jobs will happen, but it will take time.

Why? Why? Why? EASY! Because it was in the 60's when Martin Luther King Jnr., Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela et al were fighting for civil rights. We now have these although racism still exists and improvements are being made all the time. We've come a long way in 50 years (more to do obviously).

To accuse boards of clubs of racism is preposterous. They just want the best people they can get. It's not up to football to run the country. (As I mentioned before, better to fight for a Black, Asian, non-White Prime Minister).

What happened to Balotelli on Twitter is sickening, but you can't accuse that club of racism. I hope they throw the book at whoever did it obviously.

The average age of a Premier league manager last year was 50.2 years old, meaning to be of average Premier League managerial age you would have had to be playing late 80's early 90's. That was before the influx of foreigners and there has certainly been an increase of PoC participation levels in the last decade.

Lambert, Monk, Pochettino, Hughes, Martinez, Poyet, Dyche, all finished their careers post 2002, yet have jobs in the Highest league in the country. Yet Chris Powell (finished in 2010) is the only black manager in all four leagues.

You're suggesting no black person, bar Chris Powell, is currently good enough? Scary. It's not like anyone's advocating clubs are forced to hire anyone either. Just over reaction from people who want the status quo.

I didn't say that no black person was good enough did I? Im sure there are many white people good enough that aren't managing at the highest level too, and chinese, and female and midgets and people under 30. Ive made the obvious point that the most desirable candidates due to experience levels are from an era in which black players were not as prevalent as today. When todays crop get to the required age then im sure due to the increased level of black players there will naturally be an increase in the number of black managers as a result.

Are you suggesting Chris Powell should be a Premier League manager then? Seemingly on the basis he is black which is discriminatory in itself. Id be gutted if we appointed Powell.

The average age of a Premier league manager last year was 50.2 years old, meaning to be of average Premier League managerial age you would have had to be playing late 80's early 90's. That was before the influx of foreigners and there has certainly been an increase of PoC participation levels in the last decade.

Lambert, Monk, Pochettino, Hughes, Martinez, Poyet, Dyche, all finished their careers post 2002, yet have jobs in the Highest league in the country. Yet Chris Powell (finished in 2010) is the only black manager in all four leagues.

You're suggesting no black person, bar Chris Powell, is currently good enough? Scary. It's not like anyone's advocating clubs are forced to hire anyone either. Just over reaction from people who want the status quo.

I didn't say that no black person was good enough did I? Im sure there are many white people good enough that aren't managing at the highest level too, and chinese, and female and midgets and people under 30. Ive made the obvious point that the most desirable candidates due to experience levels are from an era in which black players were not as prevalent as today. When todays crop get to the required age then im sure due to the increased level of black players there will naturally be an increase in the number of black managers as a result.

Are you suggesting Chris Powell should be a Premier League manager then? Seemingly on the basis he is black which is discriminatory in itself. Id be gutted if we appointed Powell.

This is spot on Rowan! The trouble with these arguments is that they extrapolate micro systems to the world at large. Major fail!!

Whats more is they do a disservice to people of all creeds and colours who don't want favours or false sympathy. I agree that things will improve with time.

I don't like this 'lack of black managers' business... If a black person was good enough, they'd be in management, simple as that!

True don't see why it's even an issue. It's like trying to get more black people and women in the police, fire service etc. it's more discriminative making an issue out of it