All this Tan out

When you going to understand Wez. We don't need a wip round. Tan has thrown his money at us and he has failed so far to get what he wants. He has got no choice but to continue unless he wants to waste everything.

I do understand but what I don't understand is you keep moaning about tan/club and want him gone but have no plan b

What a stupid outlook on life, my missus has been cheating on me you say? Ah that's ok, carry on love, at least I haven't got cancer.

Red pisses me off, I want Tan out and will continue say so thank you.

When you going to understand Wez. We don't need a wip round. Tan has thrown his money at us and he has failed so far to get what he wants. He has got no choice but to continue unless he wants to waste everything.

I do understand but what I don't understand is you keep moaning about tan/club and want him gone but have no plan b

Yeah I want Tan gone and I know that will only happen when someone else steps in. That is the only other plan I can see and will strive for that in what way I can.

When you going to understand Wez. We don't need a wip round. Tan has thrown his money at us and he has failed so far to get what he wants. He has got no choice but to continue unless he wants to waste everything.

I do understand but what I don't understand is you keep moaning about tan/club and want him gone but have no plan b

Yeah I want Tan gone and I know that will only happen when someone else steps in. That is the only other plan I can see and will strive for that in what way I can.

Ian you said in a previous post you don't see Tan leaving due to money invested. I'm confused what you expect to happen.

When you going to understand Wez. We don't need a wip round. Tan has thrown his money at us and he has failed so far to get what he wants. He has got no choice but to continue unless he wants to waste everything.

I do understand but what I don't understand is you keep moaning about tan/club and want him gone but have no plan b

Yeah I want Tan gone and I know that will only happen when someone else steps in. That is the only other plan I can see and will strive for that in what way I can.

Ian you said in a previous post you don't see Tan leaving due to money invested. I'm confused what you expect to happen.

Not at the moment because we are not a viable proposition unless he brings his price right down.

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

What the hell has war, life threatening disease and the loss of loved ones got to do with a f**king idiot ruining our club and putting it £150 million in debt?

Get a grip FFS

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

What the hell has war, life threatening disease and the loss of loved ones got to do with a f**king idiot ruining our club and putting it £150 million in debt?

Get a grip FFS

We are not 150 m in debt

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

What the hell has war, life threatening disease and the loss of loved ones got to do with a f**king idiot ruining our club and putting it £150 million in debt?

Get a grip FFS

We are not 150 m in debt

The amount of debt is not the issue of this post.
Comparing the loss of loved ones and the killing of innocent children to an idiot who IMO has ruined our club is pathetic.

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

What the hell has war, life threatening disease and the loss of loved ones got to do with a f**king idiot ruining our club and putting it £150 million in debt?

Get a grip FFS

We are not 150 m in debt

The amount of debt is not the issue of this post.
Comparing the loss of loved ones and the killing of innocent children to an idiot who IMO has ruined our club is pathetic.

So your saying it crossed Tan mind about changing our name. He went on the box at Hull saying he was thinking about it.

Regarding Wimbledon there was nothing in the rules then but there is now after what happened to them.

Dozens play in our colour.....now our talking crap.

so you CAN'T show me where Tan promised to convert all of our debt to equity or where he promised to do it within a year.

you CAN'T show me anyone who's lauging at us

yet you keep complain that these things are happening

as for 'our' colour, off the top of my head: Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Chesterfield, Halifax, Macclesfield, Stockport.

So if our colour is our identity, as you say, then all these teams share the same identity as us!!

So your saying it crossed Tan mind about changing our name. He went on the box at Hull saying he was thinking about it.

Regarding Wimbledon there was nothing in the rules then but there is now after what happened to them.

Dozens play in our colour.....now our talking crap.

so you CAN'T show me where Tan promised to convert all of our debt to equity or where he promised to do it within a year.

you CAN'T show me anyone who's lauging at us

yet you keep complain that these things are happening

as for 'our' colour, off the top of my head: Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Chesterfield, Halifax, Macclesfield, Stockport.

So if our colour is our identity, as you say, then all these teams share the same identity as us!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... bt-6854784

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ff-5737145

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 19090.html

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=3615

Now I have a question for you. Are you a Cardiff fan because you are coming over as you know f**k all about the club and whats been going on.

So your saying it crossed Tan mind about changing our name. He went on the box at Hull saying he was thinking about it.

Regarding Wimbledon there was nothing in the rules then but there is now after what happened to them.

Dozens play in our colour.....now our talking crap.

so you CAN'T show me where Tan promised to convert all of our debt to equity or where he promised to do it within a year.

you CAN'T show me anyone who's lauging at us

yet you keep complain that these things are happening

as for 'our' colour, off the top of my head: Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Chesterfield, Halifax, Macclesfield, Stockport.

So if our colour is our identity, as you say, then all these teams share the same identity as us!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... bt-6854784

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ff-5737145

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 19090.html

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=3615

Now I have a question for you. Are you a Cardiff fan because you are coming over as you know f**k all about the club and whats been going on.

NONE of the links you provided shows that the conversion to equity was 'part of the deal' for the rebrand. Which is what you've been claiming.

I'm afraid your hatred is fuelled by myths and made-up stuff.

And yes, I am a Cardiff fan. Long-time one.

Now I have a question for you. Are you really a Cardiff fan because you are coming over as someone who cares about a colour rather than our club ? Maybe one of the other teams I mentioned above would be a more suitable club for you to start supporting. They're blue so you'll be happy.

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

Yes, everyone was laughing at us when we won the Championship (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we took LIverpool to the limit at Wembley (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we were playing in the PL (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when out red-seated stadium was on tellies around the world the other day (with Tan's money)
Everyone is laughing at us now that we're the favourite to win the Championship (with Tan's money)

we are so damn unlucky, Tan has ruined our club, why can't we attract a billionaire who doesn't make us a laughing stock, like the Venkys or Assem Allam or Gaydamak ??

Uh we were a laughing stock when we were in the premier.
Uh we are not favourites to win the chjampionahip now.
Uh Tan makes those three look not so funny.

Not just you Ian and probably not you in that at least you are clear in your views and consistent.

We are favourites for the Chanpionship.

Actually Neil we are not:

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/eng ... /promotion

Baked odds checker just show the best odds you can get on the team every other bookies might just have us as 4/1 making us favourites just paddy power doing 7/1 doesn't mean we not favs at some bookies and others not. I've not looked can't be bothered but to say odds checker represents all odds is untrue.

So your saying it crossed Tan mind about changing our name. He went on the box at Hull saying he was thinking about it.

Regarding Wimbledon there was nothing in the rules then but there is now after what happened to them.

Dozens play in our colour.....now our talking crap.

so you CAN'T show me where Tan promised to convert all of our debt to equity or where he promised to do it within a year.

you CAN'T show me anyone who's lauging at us

yet you keep complain that these things are happening

as for 'our' colour, off the top of my head: Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Chesterfield, Halifax, Macclesfield, Stockport.

So if our colour is our identity, as you say, then all these teams share the same identity as us!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... bt-6854784

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ff-5737145

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 19090.html

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=3615

Now I have a question for you. Are you a Cardiff fan because you are coming over as you know f**k all about the club and whats been going on.

NONE of the links you provided shows that the conversion to equity was 'part of the deal' for the rebrand. Which is what you've been claiming.

I'm afraid your hatred is fuelled by myths and made-up stuff.

And yes, I am a Cardiff fan. Long-time one.

Now I have a question for you. Are you really a Cardiff fan because you are coming over as someone who cares about a colour rather than our club ? Maybe one of the other teams I mentioned above would be a more suitable club for you to start supporting. They're blue so you'll be happy.

Made up stuff well sorry but your remarks have been well off in this thread. The debt to equity just carefully read the Trust comment, pledge over 2 years ago.....

As for me being a Cardiff fan why not ask the likes of Annis, Carl, Nuclearblue even Luke who I disagree with quite a lot. Who can vouch for you?

What a stupid outlook on life, my missus has been cheating on me you say? Ah that's ok, carry on love, at least I haven't got cancer.

Red pisses me off, I want Tan out and will continue say so thank you.

Trying to think of a way of putting it and came across your reply. So I will go with this. Silly argument I say.

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

The only ones who are laughing stocks are fans like you who moan all the time about a change of shirt colour ,how about you get behind the team remember it's about wining football matches or have you forgot that ?

Uh, pretty sure we were a laughing a stock last year . Nothing to do with fans

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

The only ones who are laughing stocks are fans like you who moan all the time about a change of shirt colour ,how about you get behind the team remember it's about wining football matches or have you forgot that ?

Uh, pretty sure we were a laughing a stock last year . Nothing to do with fans

a few stories in the media and we are a laughing stock ? Does that make every club a laughing stock ?

You all know my stance on this, but this posting does not reflect my point of view but how people over here reacted to the events surrounding Tan and the rebrand.

The rebrand was never a big topic when Cardiff City was mentioned on TV, hardly any football magazines reported it, 11 Freunde had a big story in one of their issues with photos etc. Apart from that nothing…

The image the club has is not the best, but not the worst. Most don’t criticize Tan or the club but the whole system of billionaires, who got no clue about traditions and football, coming in and change things. Same with Hull, many saying “see, that’s what you get when you let a kn0b buy a club, clubs belong to fans…”

Our system here is completely different, as you know. Hull or City’s rebranding is unthinkable and not possible here, as fans own the majority of the shares and club members vote for their board…

Cardiff City as a club isn’t seen as laughing stock, but everyone is extremely anti-rebranding and very critical of the UK system.

The real laughing stock, in the eyes of football fans here, is the reaction of us fans. The fact that when it happened, most people happily accepted it and still went to the games. Many buying the rebranded merchandise, not protesting, holding demos in and outside of the ground etc.

THAT is unthinkable here, Cardiff fans on the whole are seen as laughing stock now, as our fanbase wasn’t united against the rebrand and that we allowed Tan to get away with it.

You all know my stance on this, but this posting does not reflect my point of view but how people over here reacted to the events surrounding Tan and the rebrand.

The rebrand was never a big topic when Cardiff City was mentioned on TV, hardly any football magazines reported it, 11 Freunde had a big story in one of their issues with photos etc. Apart from that nothing…

The image the club has is not the best, but not the worst. Most don’t criticize Tan or the club but the whole system of billionaires, who got no clue about traditions and football, coming in and change things. Same with Hull, many saying “see, that’s what you get when you let a kn0b buy a club, clubs belong to fans…”

Our system here is completely different, as you know. Hull or City’s rebranding is unthinkable and not possible here, as fans own the majority of the shares and club members vote for their board…

Cardiff City as a club isn’t seen as laughing stock, but everyone is extremely anti-rebranding and very critical of the UK system.

The real laughing stock, in the eyes of football fans here, is the reaction of us fans. The fact that when it happened, most people happily accepted it and still went to the games. Many buying the rebranded merchandise, not protesting, holding demos in and outside of the ground etc.

THAT is unthinkable here, Cardiff fans on the whole are seen as laughing stock now, as our fanbase wasn’t united against the rebrand and that we allowed Tan to get away with it.

Totally agree with this post

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

Massively out of context, your saying by protesting for our traditions that we are proud of we don't appreciate our health and freedom? That we should roll over and count our lucky stars because we are still breathing. Do me a favour mate f**k off your boring

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

The only ones who are laughing stocks are fans like you who moan all the time about a change of shirt colour ,how about you get behind the team remember it's about wining football matches or have you forgot that ?

Uh, pretty sure we were a laughing a stock last year . Nothing to do with fans

a few stories in the media and we are a laughing stock ? Does that make every club a laughing stock ?

Bit more than a few stories wasn't it ? Tan / the club was a regular feature of ridicule on soccer Saturday most weekends last year . Same in the papers . Same when I spoke to colleagues who support other clubs.

I used to be proud to tell people I was a city fan , rather not talk about it with people if I am honest . The kit , the badge , utter joke and laughing stock in my opinion .

All I will say on this particular thread is that I largely agree with the OP and that a number of fans need to look at themselves over the way they have publicly (and I'm not necessarily talking about any forum's) slagged Vincent Tan off (and therefore the club itself in the world's eyes) without apparently being in full possession of the facts!

The Press don't need any encouragement and I heard the little Irish guy (sorry, name forgotten) on Talk Sport on Friday morning talking about "bad owners" in football and he specifically named Tan

Ask yourselves a serious question: Is he REALLY the worst owner in football??

Personally, I don't think so, and if the red/blue thing hadn't happened, he would be no different to any other owner who wants the ambitious best for his club

Strangely enough, that's what I want too!

Sadly I don't have his finances, so until someone else comes in to take over, I am going to be grateful he (Tan) has taken our club forward in so many ways, whilst remaining staunchly pro-Blue in the hope that one day (maybe under someone new) we get it back!

Sadly, gratitude is in short supply with some at the moment!

I broke my finger the other day..Oh well atleast it wasnt my hand.
I lost my wallet...Oh well there was only £5 in it.

Lets compare everyday things with a total lunatic at cardiff city that way it covers up the stink of his promises for funny enough a debt to equity swap which to start with 99% of fans went along with in return when the red come along now nothings changed only more debt and a total rebrand of the club so lets make things up so it looks good.... What silly f*cking statements made by some who are comparing anything to hide the smell of a complete bullshitter

Made up stuff well sorry but your remarks have been well off in this thread. The debt to equity just carefully read the Trust comment, pledge over 2 years ago.....?

What the Trust says is irrelevant. The Trust can't make promises on behalf of Tan. I'm reading the club's rebrand statement (http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/art ... 98351.aspx) now and the only commitment I see is to pay the Langston debt, which has already happened. There is also "work will also continue in earnest to improve the balance sheet by driving new revenue streams, attracting new investment and converting existing debt to equity" Note that this is not presented as part of the 'rebranding commitment' and only mentions existing debt, which at the time was around the £40 million mark.

So why the hell you expect Tan to convert £100 million to equity right now....god only knows!

As for me being a Cardiff fan why not ask the likes of Annis, Carl, Nuclearblue even Luke who I disagree with quite a lot. Who can vouch for you?

Sorry, I don't know these people. Is there anyone with authority in the club who can vouch for you ?

If Vincent Tan decides he has had enough, Cardiff city football club would cease to exist. I hate the expression but " Be careful what you wish for"

If Vincent Tan decides he has had enough, Cardiff city football club would cease to exist. I hate the expression but " Be careful what you wish for"

That's what most of us real fans are worried about all this tan out is Bullshit ,where is the plan b ? Better the devil you know sometimes

Christ all the troubles in the world and were still going on about Tan out. Look at the moment were lucky to have him
If Tan didn't step in we'd be fucked
I don't like the red never will but I'd rather have red than some Israely or Russian bomb landing on my f*cking head
I'd also rather have red than the Ebola virus
I'd also rather have red than any cancer
I'd also rather have red with my family and friends around me
Christ we have one life all the protests in the world are not going to change his mind, just don't show support by not buying into the red.
Do you realise how lucky you people are?

Go away.TAN OUT.

If Vincent Tan decides he has had enough, Cardiff city football club would cease to exist. I hate the expression but " Be careful what you wish for"

Really? How on earth is that the case?!

If Vincent Tan decides he has had enough, Cardiff city football club would cease to exist. I hate the expression but " Be careful what you wish for"

Really? How on earth is that the case?!

He can liquidate the company at anytime if he wished too

He can liquidate the company at anytime if he wished too

As could any other owner in our history. I asked how Tan leaving would 100% make CCFC cease to exist.

Stating that as a fact is absolutely nonsense & even the most pro red/Tan supporter should be able to see that.