Supporters club bus DISGRACE

no sympathy. if you were on the coach within the timescale like the rest there wouldn't have been a problem

Totally agree, the buses were stuck in traffic all day getting to Blackburn, with some not arriving until after kick off!

So why should the buses wait for an inconsiderate handful of people, who clearly appear not to be bothered about wanting to get to the match?

The rest of the supporters managed to make it back to the bus on time and I'll bet he and his friends won't be late next time!

I had no problems with the bus getting to Blackburn in the heavy traffic that included stops, we got left behind on the way back. Read carefully next time.

Your post doesn't mention that you got left on the way back and in this paragraph you typed, "Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.", you mention on the way up to Blackburn, so perhaps you'd better learn to read what you've typed, before you criticize somebody for not reading your post carefully!

You mention that the driver was illegal, which is a serious accusation, how do you know this?

Nothing worse than waiting for people who are late especially when your on a deadline like a match.
20 minutes is 20 minutes.

Please explain why everybody else is in the wrong other than you and your friends

Nothing worse than waiting for people who are late especially when your on a deadline like a match.
20 minutes is 20 minutes.

Please explain why everybody else is in the wrong other than you and your friends

Foresooth! What is this strange, distant and foreboding land known as 'England'? Is it to be reached by sailing over the edge of the world? It is not to be found on any of the maps or indeed mentioned within the many books that are in my keeping. Aye, should I venture there, and god-willing, return by safe passage, I shall do well to remember this cautionary tale and to pay much attention to the ships timepiece, else risk missing the vessels due return and verily looking like an Arse.

Whilst I agree with the majority that it is in the main selfish for people to get back to the bus late, in real life terms
there are a number of reasons why somebody could possibly be late back by a few minutes and in my opinion should
be given the benefit of the doubt in the first instance.

If these lads were left behind knowingly over a 'few minutes' then that in my opinion is a bit harsh, its an organised trip
and if you run a bus you have a duty of care to all those on your trip.

However, I would imagine there is more to this story than meets the eye as I find it very hard to believe that someone
like Vince who obviously works tirelessly for our fans would leave a few youngsters behind over '2 minutes'

Foresooth! What is this strange, distant and foreboding land known as 'England'? Is it to be reached by sailing over the edge of the world? It is not to be found on any of the maps or indeed mentioned within the many books that are in my keeping. Aye, should I venture there, and god-willing, return by safe passage, I shall do well to remember this cautionary tale and to pay much attention to the ships timepiece, else risk missing the vessels due return and verily looking like an Arse.

You don't half post some shit on here at times. But fair play that was very amusing!

Get over yourself you f*cking idiot.

Iv'e traveled with Vince a few times in the past although not for a 3-4 years. I find it very hard to believe he would leave you after two minutes. You probably kept the bus waiting for ten minutes or over.

I don't even see what you could have been doing to take 20 mins or more. Vince said not to go to a burger king or whatever as there wouldn't be enough time and you aren't allowed to take it on the coach and I don't see how going to the toilet can take 20 minutes unless you have some serious problem. Me and my mates managed to wait for everyone to get off the bus, then get off ourselves, wander over to the service station, go to the toilet and whatever then come back, stand outside the bus for a bit for some fresh air and then get back on the bus and wait for a good 5-10 minutes before we left! I'm pretty sure everyone managed to stick to the simple instructions and be back on the bus on time and do you really blame the driver or Vince for leaving you when it was the early hours of the morning, we still had a long way to go and you had well enough time to go to the toilet and then stretch your legs or have a smoke. Your fault, not theirs.
Also you're moaning at the bus driver for putting himself at risk in some way in order to get you there on time? Quite ungrateful if you ask me

Back in my day I used to run to away games, i once run to millwall from the cardiff and back and still made it home for tea. don't know what's wrong with young city fans now days, they must be raging homosexuals or women in drag as this is the only possible excuse for such moaning

either on way to game or back home no sympathy. You wont be late again

Definitely not!

Back in my day I used to run to away games, i once run to millwall from the cardiff and back and still made it home for tea. don't know what's wrong with young city fans now days, they must be raging homosexuals or women in drag as this is the only possible excuse for such moaning

I doubt you'd be happy being left behind by 2 minutes either mate.

Drivers can continue beyond the hours permitted under exceptional circumstances.

Waiting for people who do not pay attention to the instructions given isn't one of the circumstances sadly... For you..

Get over yourself you f*cking idiot.

Iv'e traveled with Vince a few times in the past although not for a 3-4 years. I find it very hard to believe he would leave you after two minutes. You probably kept the bus waiting for ten minutes or over.

Act your age mate, was 2 minutes late. Have been told by those who were on the bus at the time what Vince had said.

Drivers can continue beyond the hours permitted under exceptional circumstances.

Waiting for people who do not pay attention to the instructions given isn't one of the circumstances sadly... For you..

He had already gone over his hours by the time we got to the service station.

no sympathy. if you were on the coach within the timescale like the rest there wouldn't have been a problem

Totally agree, the buses were stuck in traffic all day getting to Blackburn, with some not arriving until after kick off!

So why should the buses wait for an inconsiderate handful of people, who clearly appear not to be bothered about wanting to get to the match?

The rest of the supporters managed to make it back to the bus on time and I'll bet he and his friends won't be late next time!

I had no problems with the bus getting to Blackburn in the heavy traffic that included stops, we got left behind on the way back. Read carefully next time.

Your post doesn't mention that you got left on the way back and in this paragraph you typed, "Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.", you mention on the way up to Blackburn, so perhaps you'd better learn to read what you've typed, before you criticize somebody for not reading your post carefully!

You mention that the driver was illegal, which is a serious accusation, how do you know this?

Drivers are only permitted a certain amount of hours by law to drive coaches/lorries/busses etc

Do you know the full ins and outs of driver hours under EU legislation?

I have left many pax at a service station in my past, never once been disciplined for it...

Rules are simple, do what your told..

Do you know the full ins and outs of driver hours under EU legislation?

I have left many pax at a service station in my past, never once been disciplined for it...

Rules are simple, do what your told..

Finally a thread you can actually partake in with a degree of knowledge. Busses. Stick to busses.

no sympathy. if you were on the coach within the timescale like the rest there wouldn't have been a problem

Totally agree, the buses were stuck in traffic all day getting to Blackburn, with some not arriving until after kick off!

So why should the buses wait for an inconsiderate handful of people, who clearly appear not to be bothered about wanting to get to the match?

The rest of the supporters managed to make it back to the bus on time and I'll bet he and his friends won't be late next time!

I had no problems with the bus getting to Blackburn in the heavy traffic that included stops, we got left behind on the way back. Read carefully next time.

Your post doesn't mention that you got left on the way back and in this paragraph you typed, "Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.", you mention on the way up to Blackburn, so perhaps you'd better learn to read what you've typed, before you criticize somebody for not reading your post carefully!

You mention that the driver was illegal, which is a serious accusation, how do you know this?

Drivers are only permitted a certain amount of hours by law to drive coaches/lorries/busses etc which is calculated by a Tachograph. He had turned this digital Tachograph off to avoid consequences.

no sympathy. if you were on the coach within the timescale like the rest there wouldn't have been a problem

Totally agree, the buses were stuck in traffic all day getting to Blackburn, with some not arriving until after kick off!

So why should the buses wait for an inconsiderate handful of people, who clearly appear not to be bothered about wanting to get to the match?

The rest of the supporters managed to make it back to the bus on time and I'll bet he and his friends won't be late next time!

I had no problems with the bus getting to Blackburn in the heavy traffic that included stops, we got left behind on the way back. Read carefully next time.

Your post doesn't mention that you got left on the way back and in this paragraph you typed, "Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.", you mention on the way up to Blackburn, so perhaps you'd better learn to read what you've typed, before you criticize somebody for not reading your post carefully!

You mention that the driver was illegal, which is a serious accusation, how do you know this?

Drivers are only permitted a certain amount of hours by law to drive coaches/lorries/busses etc

I know all about driver's hours mate, as I've got a class 1 HGV licence and I've also got a Certificate of Professional Competence in Road Haulage, National & International!

You said that the driver was Illegal and didn't mention or specify that you were referring to his hours, which is still pretty pathetic really, as you're highlighting something about the driver's regulations, which you clearly know nothing about, to make up for your poor lack of timekeeping and consideration for other persons on the bus!

no sympathy. if you were on the coach within the timescale like the rest there wouldn't have been a problem

Totally agree, the buses were stuck in traffic all day getting to Blackburn, with some not arriving until after kick off!

So why should the buses wait for an inconsiderate handful of people, who clearly appear not to be bothered about wanting to get to the match?

The rest of the supporters managed to make it back to the bus on time and I'll bet he and his friends won't be late next time!

I had no problems with the bus getting to Blackburn in the heavy traffic that included stops, we got left behind on the way back. Read carefully next time.

Your post doesn't mention that you got left on the way back and in this paragraph you typed, "Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.", you mention on the way up to Blackburn, so perhaps you'd better learn to read what you've typed, before you criticize somebody for not reading your post carefully!

You mention that the driver was illegal, which is a serious accusation, how do you know this?

Drivers are only permitted a certain amount of hours by law to drive coaches/lorries/busses etc which is calculated by a Tachograph. He had turned this digital Tachograph off to avoid consequences.

This is a bit like getting done for speeding, then complaining to the nasty Policeman, that he should be booking the nearby vehicles for parking on double yellow lines!

[quote="bloobird97"]Absolute disgrace.

Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.

Furthermore and even more shocking is that at a service station, of which I still have no idea the name, near Tewekesbury the bus pulled over to allow a break for the travelling supporters, who had been stuck in this metal box for the majority of the day. The illegal driver allowed for a 20 minute break. 22 minutes later I (17) and 6 other passengers under 17 return to where the bus was parked, only to see the double-decker WATTS Coach pull off the slip road down the motorway.

Friends of the other boys had tried to stop the driver, however they allegedly heard organiser Vince Alm say "Leave them." I hope this is not true, however it doesn't look like he has done a lot to help out 7 U17s who thought they were about to be stranded in England. Not only had we been left somewhere unknown, but all of us had left possessions on the coach, including wallets, phones, bags.


If you are going to make accusations on here about me and the supporters club please make sure you get your facts right;

Fact the driver was not an illegal driver;
fact; 6 under 17s were not left at the services you were put on a later coach that was going to cardiff
Fact; You were told how long we were stopping.

Yes I told the coach to leave because the driver hours were tight to get everyone dropped off before he would need to take a break for another 45 minutes before carrying on probably in the middle of nowhere a couple of miles from cardiff.

The decision was taken after I had shouted to everyone in the queue at Mc donalds that the coaches were leaving but you and your 5 other mates chose to stay in there whilst 4 of your other friends left the queue to get on the coach. Rather than inconvenience 77 other passengers who had abided by the rules and return to the coach on time without prompting, and with coach 6 still at the services you would still get home the coach departed.

The drivers are allowed to work a 15 hour shift but every 4 hours 30 minutes of driving they must take a 45 minute break. the driver hours were ok as he got on at monmouth at 1.30 allowing his shift to end at 6.30 am in the morning. Rather than prolong every one journey by an hour on the way home way take a short rest stop of 15 mins which allows enough time for the driver to finish dropping everyone off at Penarth, barry, llantwit major, and bridgend.

Please forward your complaints we will be more than happy to reply tto them and attached the supporters club code of Conduct.

Also as any of you won't be travelling with us anymore I will cancel those of you who have booked on for Coventry. Please pass the message on to them in case they have different view to you and still want to come.

Foresooth! What is this strange, distant and foreboding land known as 'England'? Is it to be reached by sailing over the edge of the world? It is not to be found on any of the maps or indeed mentioned within the many books that are in my keeping. Aye, should I venture there, and god-willing, return by safe passage, I shall do well to remember this cautionary tale and to pay much attention to the ships timepiece, else risk missing the vessels due return and verily looking like an Arse.

You don't half post some shit on here at times. But fair play that was very amusing!

Coming from you I'll take that as a thinly veiled complement so thanks for that. Now fuck-off.

Absolute disgrace.

Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.

Furthermore and even more shocking is that at a service station, of which I still have no idea the name, near Tewekesbury the bus pulled over to allow a break for the travelling supporters, who had been stuck in this metal box for the majority of the day. The illegal driver allowed for a 20 minute break. 22 minutes later I (17) and 6 other passengers under 17 return to where the bus was parked, only to see the double-decker WATTS Coach pull off the slip road down the motorway.

Friends of the other boys had tried to stop the driver, however they allegedly heard organiser Vince Alm say "Leave them." I hope this is not true, however it doesn't look like he has done a lot to help out 7 U17s who thought they were about to be stranded in England. Not only had we been left somewhere unknown, but all of us had left possessions on the coach, including wallets, phones, bags.


If you are going to make accusations on here about me and the supporters club please make sure you get your facts right;

Fact the driver was not an illegal driver;
fact; 6 under 17s were not left at the services you were put on a later coach that was going to cardiff
Fact; You were told how long we were stopping.

Yes I told the coach to leave because the driver hours were tight to get everyone dropped off before he would need to take a break for another 45 minutes before carrying on probably in the middle of nowhere a couple of miles from cardiff.

The decision was taken after I had shouted to everyone in the queue at Mc donalds that the coaches were leaving but you and your 5 other mates chose to stay in there whilst 4 of your other friends left the queue to get on the coach. Rather than inconvenience 77 other passengers who had abided by the rules and return to the coach on time without prompting, and with coach 6 still at the services you would still get home the coach departed.

The drivers are allowed to work a 15 hour shift but every 4 hours 30 minutes of driving they must take a 45 minute break. the driver hours were ok as he got on at monmouth at 1.30 allowing his shift to end at 6.30 am in the morning. Rather than prolong every one journey by an hour on the way home way take a short rest stop of 15 mins which allows enough time for the driver to finish dropping everyone off at Penarth, barry, llantwit major, and bridgend.

Please forward your complaints we will be more than happy to reply tto them and attached the supporters club code of Conduct.

Also as any of you won't be travelling with us anymore I will cancel those of you who have booked on for Coventry. Please pass the message on to them in case they have different view to you and still want to come.

Fair play to you for answering Vince. The guy is totally in the wrong here and is a tool.

Wheels are wheels.

Don't think anyone would have any reason to doubt Vince Alm's statement. Leaves Bloobird 97 looking a bit stupid. Obviously expects around 80 passengers to wait around and leave when he's ready to leave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTQVk5 ... e=youtu.be

Absolute disgrace.

Used an illegal driver, due to the poor planning of the journey. The driver, who was in a foul mood all day, had gone over his maximum limit of hours due to the delays on the way up to Blackburn along the M6.

Furthermore and even more shocking is that at a service station, of which I still have no idea the name, near Tewekesbury the bus pulled over to allow a break for the travelling supporters, who had been stuck in this metal box for the majority of the day. The illegal driver allowed for a 20 minute break. 22 minutes later I (17) and 6 other passengers under 17 return to where the bus was parked, only to see the double-decker WATTS Coach pull off the slip road down the motorway.

Friends of the other boys had tried to stop the driver, however they allegedly heard organiser Vince Alm say "Leave them." I hope this is not true, however it doesn't look like he has done a lot to help out 7 U17s who thought they were about to be stranded in England. Not only had we been left somewhere unknown, but all of us had left possessions on the coach, including wallets, phones, bags.

I and a other boys will be making complaints to both the supporters club and Watts coaches. I'm furious personally, as it was my first time on the supporters bus. It will now be my last.

One other thing you still owe the supporters club either £7 or £15 if you are not a full time student for your match ticket I was told you were 16 not 17 and the child s price ticket was for under 17s. feel free to either drop in the balance at the next home game or send a cheque?postal order to our PO Box when you write to us.

Cheers

Ahh the truth........

Why do you need 22 mins? We would have had a piss and robbed the place in 10 mins on the old rams buses

When I was 17 I use to go to away games in 2nd hand well worn tansit fans. We considered it lucky if we managed to get back home that weekend. many times the poor vans broke down leaving in the middle of nowhere.

Today these young ones want everything on a place, luxury air conditioned travel, 5 star service stations and they whinge about missing the time slot. These youngsters of today are turning out to be a right bunch of poofs.

Very True, we kept barry van hire in business,
when we went to york i was so stoned i had to but a pair of sunglasses to get past the stewards and police so they wouldn't see how wrecked i was.
and we snapped the key in the ignition on the way home.
i wish i was 20 odd again !!!

Respect works both ways. Maybe they shouldn't have left as it caused a bit of inconvenience. But as Vince has mentioned, they've not even paid membership now.

Why do you need 22 mins? We would have had a piss and robbed the place in 10 mins on the old rams buses

When I was 17 I use to go to away games in 2nd hand well worn tansit fans. We considered it lucky if we managed to get back home that weekend. many times the poor vans broke down leaving in the middle of nowhere.

Today these young ones want everything on a place, luxury air conditioned travel, 5 star service stations and they whinge about missing the time slot. These youngsters of today are turning out to be a right bunch of poofs.

Very True, we kept barry van hire in business,
when we went to york i was so stoned i had to but a pair of sunglasses to get past the stewards and police so they wouldn't see how wrecked i was.
and we snapped the key in the ignition on the way home.
i wish i was 20 odd again !!!

Did that not happen outside East Midland Airport.