' CITY ARE IN TALKS WITH DEFENDER '

Happy with this one and with adyeimi

Let's wait and see two things...

1. That he actually signs.

2. And what the actually up front figure is.

I am sorry, but all this negativity is ridiculous. I bet none of you heard of Daehli when he signed, and now he's probably one of our best players at only 19. You can't judge a player just beucase you haven't heard of him. Let's back Ole and have faith in him that he will buy a centre half that fits the bill.

Can't really compare this to mats- mats was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, plus we did not pay 4 mill for him. He was 18 when we bought him and had excelled at every club he'd been at. Anyone who bothered to look into it would have seen hes special.
This guy is much older and flopped at southampton. He could be an eikrem or Berget hopefully more eikrem.

If it was malky signing him you would be doing cartwheels

No, I'd be saying exactly the same thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2360502/Southampton-say-goodbye-Vegard-Forren-defender-NEVER-plays-month-spell.html

The irony of the first picture in that link when the Mail are talking about a flop

If it was malky signing him you would be doing cartwheels

No, I'd be saying exactly the same thing.

Yeah Yeah chuckles I know your game

As said in the other thread Forren can walk straight into the starting 11.
He is perfect to OGS style, the only worry is his pace, though he always seem to be in the right spot.
He faced really hard competition at Southampton, he was out of season. He left to play first team at Molde and lost loads of money on the transfer.
£4m doesnt seem right, £2-2,5m more likely.

I would be super happy If we got Forren.

I dont mind if he comes for a reasonable price i.e at the price of the other molde players, but 4 mill?? He would Be our most expensive signing this window.
The club been pretty shrewd financially with transfers doubt they would go blow 4 mill on an unproven player....Doesn't make sense
Just to put it into perspective Everton payed 4 mill for world cup break out star besic.

I for one would love to have forren here might not be the quickest but his passing is top notch, granted he didn't make senior team at saints in his 6 months but don't forget they changed the manager at the time and forren probably didn't suite style play pochtino wanted, tracked by bigger clubs than saints aswell before saints had him, form of fonte was crucial for the reason to not play forren, forren and Turner and cal a as a back 3 would be great and have Brayford and Fabio as wing backs

I am sorry, but all this negativity is ridiculous. I bet none of you heard of Daehli when he signed, and now he's probably one of our best players at only 19. You can't judge a player just beucase you haven't heard of him. Let's back Ole and have faith in him that he will buy a centre half that fits the bill.

Can't really compare this to mats- mats was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, plus we did not pay 4 mill for him. He was 18 when we bought him and had excelled at every club he'd been at. Anyone who bothered to look into it would have seen hes special.
This guy is much older and flopped at southampton. He could be an eikrem or Berget hopefully more eikrem.

From reading one of the Norwegian's posts about Forren a couple of days ago, it seems like matters may have conspired against him and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go, why didn't he go to a big british club and why did he end up at such a small club in the grand scheme of things?

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

Thanks for that, I wasn't having a go at Daehli, merely pointing out that he was allowed to leave to go to a relatively small club, whereas had he been seen as a one of the biggest talents in British football at the time, surely a much bigger club would have come in for him?

Man.U also let the likes of Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross go aswell not all decisions any team makes are correct and the ones they rate when they leave like Daehli and Guissepe Rossi they put buy back clauses in their contracts and Daehli has turned down the opportunity to go back to Man.U twice to stay with Solskjaer

Man.U also let the likes of Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross go aswell not all decisions any team makes are correct and the ones they rate when they leave like Daehli and Guissepe Rossi they put buy back clauses in their contracts and Daehli has turned down the opportunity to go back to Man.U twice to stay with Solskjaer

Pogba came to mind, wow they missed a top class player there!

Man.U also let the likes of Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross go aswell not all decisions any team makes are correct and the ones they rate when they leave like Daehli and Guissepe Rossi they put buy back clauses in their contracts and Daehli has turned down the opportunity to go back to Man.U twice to stay with Solskjaer

Pogba came to mind, wow they missed a top class player there!

United fans say Pogba and Daehli are the two big fish that got away. The others aren't mentioned in the same league as for talent that got away from them.

Man.U also let the likes of Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross go aswell not all decisions any team makes are correct and the ones they rate when they leave like Daehli and Guissepe Rossi they put buy back clauses in their contracts and Daehli has turned down the opportunity to go back to Man.U twice to stay with Solskjaer

Pogba came to mind, wow they missed a top class player there!

United fans say Pogba and Daehli are the two big fish that got away. The others aren't mentioned in the same league as for talent that got away from them.

They also let Forlan go and it just goes to show that all clubs make mistakes and perhaps Southampton made a mistake in not keeping Forren!

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

Thanks for that, I wasn't having a go at Daehli, merely pointing out that he was allowed to leave to go to a relatively small club, whereas had he been seen as a one of the biggest talents in British football at the time, surely a much bigger club would have come in for him?

Its not a great comparison because forren is not a teenager he is late 20s and has a failed transfer to southampton whereas you have this kid who was the academy top prospect along with januzaj and comes with a great rep. So it's not that odd that people have different expectations.
As said upthread mats asked to leave, united wanted to keep him, but as he wss barely 18 don't suppose they would have forced a young lad to stay against his will. They said he wanted to leave cause he was homesick and ole offered him a chance to develop in the first team back home. oles connections at old Trafford probably helped pave the way for the move.
Speaking of oles united connections I would've rather have michael keane than forren.

Don't have much confidence in this signing, I must say. Especially for the figures being talked about.

If it was malky signing him you would be doing cartwheels

Exactly Wez, couldn't have put it better myself

Man.U also let the likes of Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross go aswell not all decisions any team makes are correct and the ones they rate when they leave like Daehli and Guissepe Rossi they put buy back clauses in their contracts and Daehli has turned down the opportunity to go back to Man.U twice to stay with Solskjaer

And SAVAGE

There isn't so much as a whisper about this in Norwegian newspapers. They are usually well informed.

Forren is a good CB, but £4m is way too much. Molde would be in an excellent bargaining position though.
It wouldn't surprise me that Molde would ask that much, but it would surprise me if Solskjær gave it.

I dont think its true, absolutly nothing in Norwegian news medias

if he wasnt norwegian or not playing in norway i bet everyone would be loving this and not being so sceptical over him!

we would moan if ole brings in players he doesnt know, and now that he has a very good insight of this player, we complain he cant be good enough.

if he wasnt norwegian or not playing in norway i bet everyone would be loving this and not being so sceptical over him!

we would moan if ole brings in players he doesnt know, and now that he has a very good insight of this player, we complain he cant be good enough.

Incorrect. I'm concerned that a player who had cost £4million when Southampton bought him, totally flopped and never played & was eventually sold for a quarter of what he was bought for, is suddenly being linked to us. Especially for 4million!

What has he done since to demand such a value increase?

It's a bit like Cornelius. Would you be happy if you supported another club & he was linked to you? Knowing that he flopped before in Britain & was an expensive waste of money. It would certainly give you doubts.

Underwhelmed by this especially at this price. If you attack a lot you need quick defenders, someone like superkev in his heyday. Surely there are decent solid young defenders around with a bit of pace. Two million should buy you a very decent CB good enough for the Championship.

if he wasnt norwegian or not playing in norway i bet everyone would be loving this and not being so sceptical over him!

we would moan if ole brings in players he doesnt know, and now that he has a very good insight of this player, we complain he cant be good enough.

Incorrect. I'm concerned that a player who had cost £4million when Southampton bought him, totally flopped and never played & was eventually sold for a quarter of what he was bought for, is suddenly being linked to us. Especially for 4million!

What has he done since to demand such a value increase?

It's a bit like Cornelius. Would you be happy if you supported another club & he was linked to you? Knowing that he flopped before in Britain & was an expensive waste of money. It would certainly give you doubts.

Spot on & my thoughts.
Mind you, all this could be over nothing as there doesn't seem to be anything concrete in this rumour.

I also think 4m is too much for him.

Just wanted to say that IF he signs, he could very well be a success despite his obvious weaknesses. Prior to his transfer to Southampton, he had a long run in the national team (as well as Molde) where he was the stand out player against some top european teams. When on form, he seems so incredibly calm, composed and strong when defending, then he picks short or long passes which are quite special for a centre back. My concern is, other than his current form (or stamina rather), if he's able to be that player right away in a team (and a league) he doesn't really know. Would have been more positive if he was signed prior to the pre-season.

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

Thanks for that, I wasn't having a go at Daehli, merely pointing out that he was allowed to leave to go to a relatively small club, whereas had he been seen as a one of the biggest talents in British football at the time, surely a much bigger club would have come in for him?

Its not a great comparison because forren is not a teenager he is late 20s and has a failed transfer to southampton whereas you have this kid who was the academy top prospect along with januzaj and comes with a great rep. So it's not that odd that people have different expectations.
As said upthread mats asked to leave, united wanted to keep him, but as he wss barely 18 don't suppose they would have forced a young lad to stay against his will. They said he wanted to leave cause he was homesick and ole offered him a chance to develop in the first team back home. oles connections at old Trafford probably helped pave the way for the move.
Speaking of oles united connections I would've rather have michael keane than forren.

I agree that the comparison isn't great, especially as players develop at different speeds, but you said that Matts was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, yet he ended up at Molde (No disrespect to them)!

Centre backs can be notoriously late to develop their game to a high standard, but as I said earlier, it appears that matters may have conspired somewhat against Forren at Southampton, who is only 26 btw and only had 6 months with them!

People a 43 forgetting adkins signed him then he got sacked when they signed him and pochtennio wanted keep fonte and other people in front of him because of his style of play, forren was unlucky not to play, certain player suite certain managers, if adkins was still in charge forren would of played, pochtennio even said in an interview forren is unlucky not to play it's just the form of fonte etc is keeping him out but he is close to playing

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

Thanks for that, I wasn't having a go at Daehli, merely pointing out that he was allowed to leave to go to a relatively small club, whereas had he been seen as a one of the biggest talents in British football at the time, surely a much bigger club would have come in for him?

Its not a great comparison because forren is not a teenager he is late 20s and has a failed transfer to southampton whereas you have this kid who was the academy top prospect along with januzaj and comes with a great rep. So it's not that odd that people have different expectations.
As said upthread mats asked to leave, united wanted to keep him, but as he wss barely 18 don't suppose they would have forced a young lad to stay against his will. They said he wanted to leave cause he was homesick and ole offered him a chance to develop in the first team back home. oles connections at old Trafford probably helped pave the way for the move.
Speaking of oles united connections I would've rather have michael keane than forren.

I agree that the comparison isn't great, especially as players develop at different speeds, but you said that Matts was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, yet he ended up at Molde (No disrespect to them)!

Centre backs can be notoriously late to develop their game to a high standard, but as I said earlier, it appears that matters may have conspired somewhat against Forren at Southampton, who is only 26 btw and only had 6 months with them!

Most united accademy players are loaned out for years before they even get a chance in the first team.
Lingard, keane etc are all older than mats and still havent broken into the team so the question is whats is the better route?
By asking to be sold to a manager you trust you have more control over your own developement instead of being loaned out to various teams with various managers.
Playing for moldes first team is not any worse than like say a lad like Tom Lawrence that gets loaned out to Yeovil or some league 1 or 2 club
Because molde is the leading club in Norway a players gets to be involved in champions league qualifications and I am sure to a Norwegian lad in particular that's gonna be more attractive than playing in league 1.
He didnt really "end up there" he played there for a mere 6 months, in those 6 months he broke into Norways senior squad, got the award for best young player in the league and generally showed he could play senior football.
It's also been suggested that ole was planning a move back to England and mats was part of his plan.
I understand your point about developing late, but don't think comparing forren to someone who is an exceptional talent helps
It's understandable that people are not too enthusiastic about that player at that prize given his history. Its possible he will be a good addition but on paper it doesn't look to promising.

and if Daehli was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, why did Man Utd let him go

They didn't technically let him go, really. They were already loaning out a lot of players and such chose to sell him, but put a buy-back clause in the sale to Molde, and they acted on that buyback clause when OGS made the move on him from Cardiff, but Mats' loyalty to OGS was greater than that of his loyalty to MUFC.

Thanks for that, I wasn't having a go at Daehli, merely pointing out that he was allowed to leave to go to a relatively small club, whereas had he been seen as a one of the biggest talents in British football at the time, surely a much bigger club would have come in for him?

Its not a great comparison because forren is not a teenager he is late 20s and has a failed transfer to southampton whereas you have this kid who was the academy top prospect along with januzaj and comes with a great rep. So it's not that odd that people have different expectations.
As said upthread mats asked to leave, united wanted to keep him, but as he wss barely 18 don't suppose they would have forced a young lad to stay against his will. They said he wanted to leave cause he was homesick and ole offered him a chance to develop in the first team back home. oles connections at old Trafford probably helped pave the way for the move.
Speaking of oles united connections I would've rather have michael keane than forren.

I agree that the comparison isn't great, especially as players develop at different speeds, but you said that Matts was seen as one of the biggest talents in British football, yet he ended up at Molde (No disrespect to them)!

Centre backs can be notoriously late to develop their game to a high standard, but as I said earlier, it appears that matters may have conspired somewhat against Forren at Southampton, who is only 26 btw and only had 6 months with them!

Most united accademy players are loaned out for years before they even get a chance in the first team.
Lingard, keane etc are all older than mats and still havent broken into the team so the question is whats is the better route?
By asking to be sold to a manager you trust you have more control over your own developement instead of being loaned out to various teams with various managers.
Playing for moldes first team is not any worse than like say a lad like Tom Lawrence that gets loaned out to Yeovil or some league 1 or 2 club
Because molde is the leading club in Norway a players gets to be involved in champions league qualifications and I am sure to a Norwegian lad in particular that's gonna be more attractive than playing in league 1.
He didnt really "end up there" he played there for a mere 6 months, in those 6 months he broke into Norways senior squad, got the award for best young player in the league and generally showed he could play senior football.
It's also been suggested that ole was planning a move back to England and mats was part of his plan.
I understand your point about developing late, but don't think comparing forren to someone who is an exceptional talent helps
It's understandable that people are not too enthusiastic about that player at that prize given his history. Its possible he will be a good addition but on paper it doesn't look to promising.

I agree that Matts probably made the right move to go back to Norway, but my point was, that had he been seen as one of the outstanding prospects in British football at the time, surely he'd have been chased by a bigger club and not ended up at Molde?

Man Utd appear only to have put a first option buy back clause in his contract, which basically meant that Matts was in charge of his own destiny and could have ended up at one of Man Utd's main rivals?

It wasn't me that started comparing Matts to Forren though, as I merely picked up on your touting him as a big talent, which he may well end up becoming, he's a bit off that level ATM, IMO!

I'm not being negative about Forren either BTW, as I prefer to give players a chance to prove themselves, one which he didn't appear to get at Southampton!

Personally, I hope he's a big success if he comes to us, as we're very short in that position at this moment in time!