Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMAS

You have just made that up!!!!

Made what up? I'm using quotes from yourself.

They supported groups which promote child bombers

This isn't about Hamas. It is about innocent people being murdered. There is no justification for an innocent person to be killed in their home.

If Israeli people started getting murdered at the same ratio would you post images of blown up hospitals in Palestine by the Israelis and then say "this is the government they supported, one who attacks hospitals" and justify those actions?

Of course it's about Hamas as they were voted in by the people of Gaza!!!

Haven't answered my question.

How can you therefor not justify suicide bombers coming here an attacking us as a result of the war on Iraq.

It was our government who illegally started a war so therefor it is justified? Is the murder of lee rugby justified?

There was no question in the first place so stop attempting to twist Iraq and Lee Rigby in on this. Hamas was voted in by the people of Gaza and they knew what they were voting for in the first place

I'm not twisting anything I'm asking you pressing questions based on your morals and how you justify things.

Is the death of lee rigby justified as it is a result of us going to an illegal war in Iraq which our government, whom we voted in started?

Would the death of hundreds of Israelis be justified as they bombed a Palestinian hospital. This attack was made by the Israeli army and part of the government who the people of Israel elected.

Only the bonkers would even attempt to link the death of Lee Rigby to Iraq which happened around 10 years earlier. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas killed those teenagers and send in child bombers so surelyIsrael has the right to defend itself ?

Israel occupy illegal land which was given to them by the west and America (wasn't their land to give in the first place) and Palestinians have be right to defend their land?

Israel have an iron dome which destroys almost every bomb shot at them. Israeli settlers are constantly murdering and kidnapping Palestinians. It's all tit for tat and the innocent people in Palestine are the ones being punished.

Sorry is this the same land which was agreed too by both sides within previous peace deals ? The bottom line is that Hamas was voted in by the people and their actions have now been responded too. If the people don't want a war then why did they vote Hamas in ?

It's not a war though is it, it is genocide. What triggered this fighting should not have led to a wide scale Israeli attack.

Israel look for any excuse possible to attack Palestine. They are murdering people for fun, all they want is to occupy Palestinian land. The fact that 4 children playing on a beach get killed completely proves that.

Both sides are guilty - but no innocent person deserves to be murdered and you need to stop justifying it. It shows how weak your character is that you think that is justifiable but not other examples I have given you.

What I am getting from you is that you are a racist who is doesn't like muslims. Which is why you find ways to justify the Israeli attacks.

How can you say this is genocide? You do not even know what genocide is.
The UN classification of genocide is roughly the extermination of a people or religious group.
I will give you examples - National Socialists in Germany in the 1930/1940's against the Jews, China backed Khymer Rouge in Cambodia (1970's) against wealthy (home owners) and educated people (teachers, doctors etc) to create a socialist utopia of equality, all living on the land, Hutu's in Rwanda who hacked to death some 10,000 people a day (for 2 weeks) because they belonged to the more educated and wealthy Tutsies (sp?).

Genocide is about extermination of whole nationalities/religions and the only side in this conflict with the aim of genocide is the Palestinians, whose aim is to exterminate Israel and all its people. So when you start using words like genocide it is best to know the meaning and when it should be used.

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They supported groups which promote child bombers

This isn't about Hamas. It is about innocent people being murdered. There is no justification for an innocent person to be killed in their home.

If Israeli people started getting murdered at the same ratio would you post images of blown up hospitals in Palestine by the Israelis and then say "this is the government they supported, one who attacks hospitals" and justify those actions?

Of course it's about Hamas as they were voted in by the people of Gaza!!!

Haven't answered my question.

How can you therefor not justify suicide bombers coming here an attacking us as a result of the war on Iraq.

It was our government who illegally started a war so therefor it is justified? Is the murder of lee rugby justified?

There was no question in the first place so stop attempting to twist Iraq and Lee Rigby in on this. Hamas was voted in by the people of Gaza and they knew what they were voting for in the first place

I'm not twisting anything I'm asking you pressing questions based on your morals and how you justify things.

Is the death of lee rigby justified as it is a result of us going to an illegal war in Iraq which our government, whom we voted in started?

Would the death of hundreds of Israelis be justified as they bombed a Palestinian hospital. This attack was made by the Israeli army and part of the government who the people of Israel elected.

Only the bonkers would even attempt to link the death of Lee Rigby to Iraq which happened around 10 years earlier. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas killed those teenagers and send in child bombers so surelyIsrael has the right to defend itself ?

Israel occupy illegal land which was given to them by the west and America (wasn't their land to give in the first place) and Palestinians have be right to defend their land?

Israel have an iron dome which destroys almost every bomb shot at them. Israeli settlers are constantly murdering and kidnapping Palestinians. It's all tit for tat and the innocent people in Palestine are the ones being punished.

Sorry is this the same land which was agreed too by both sides within previous peace deals ? The bottom line is that Hamas was voted in by the people and their actions have now been responded too. If the people don't want a war then why did they vote Hamas in ?

It's not a war though is it, it is genocide. What triggered this fighting should not have led to a wide scale Israeli attack.

Israel look for any excuse possible to attack Palestine. They are murdering people for fun, all they want is to occupy Palestinian land. The fact that 4 children playing on a beach get killed completely proves that.

Both sides are guilty - but no innocent person deserves to be murdered and you need to stop justifying it. It shows how weak your character is that you think that is justifiable but not other examples I have given you.

What I am getting from you is that you are a racist who is doesn't like muslims. Which is why you find ways to justify the Israeli attacks.

How can you say this is genocide? You do not even know what genocide is.
The UN classification of genocide is roughly the extermination of a people or religious group.
I will give you examples - National Socialists in Germany in the 1930/1940's against the Jews, China backed Khymer Rouge in Cambodia (1970's) against wealthy (home owners) and educated people (teachers, doctors etc) to create a socialist utopia of equality, all living on the land, Hutu's in Rwanda who hacked to death some 10,000 people a day (for 2 weeks) because they belonged to the more educated and wealthy Tutsies (sp?).

Genocide is about extermination of whole nationalities/religions and the only side in this conflict with the aim of genocide is the Palestinians, whose aim is to exterminate Israel and all its people. So when you start using words like genocide it is best to know the meaning and when it should be used.[/quote]

The fact the Israelis are killing ALL Palestinians whoever they are shows this is genocide.

There are videos of zionists in occupied Israel stating thhemselves that they will do whatever it takes to get ALL Arabs out by whatever means necessary.

Whipping out Arabs is definitely falls under genocide. If Israel are only targeting Hamas military bases, why were 4 children killed playing on a beach ? Why was a man shot by snipers while searching for his dead family on the rubble of a blown up building? Why were protestors shot and killed yesterday whilst protesting in a safe zone area?

You have just made that up!!!!

Made what up? I'm using quotes from yourself.

Where are these quotes then ? And I hope Aherne backs me up here even through he's on the different side of the debate. You have just made up shit to defend the indefensible

One thing I would say MJ is that I don't know if you voted for Cameron or not, I certainly didn't so I would be a bit cheesed off if someone dropped a missile on my head because of something that Cameron had done. I would consider myself completely innocent, and would be pretty annoyed with both Cameron and whoever had fired the missile.

Blair was voted in by the British people when we were bombing Iraq so what's the difference with Hamas being voted in when they dire rockets at Israel ? It's the people who are originally to blame by putting them in that position surely ?

While we are on the subject it's interesting that Ahernes topic has been deleted when both him and so-called block arguments are flawed

Blair was voted in by the British people when we were bombing Iraq so what's the difference with Hamas being voted in when they dire rockets at Israel ? It's the people who are originally to blame by putting them in that position surely ?

While we are on the subject it's interesting that Ahernes topic has been deleted when both him and so-called block arguments are flawed

But millions of British people did not vote for Blair, many actually demonstrated against what was going on in Iraq. If Iraq had the capability to launch missiles at Britain, many of the people who were not in favour of the Iraq war would have been killed just because they were British. Too many innocent men, women and children suffering through something they have no control over. After all, babies and kids didn't vote for Hamas. I am not sticking up for either side, because in all honesty I don't enough about this dispute other than what I read in the press, and I rarely believe much of what the newspapers say anyway.

How can you therefor not justify suicide bombers coming here an attacking us as a result of the war on Iraq.

It was our government who illegally started a war so therefor it is justified? Is the murder of lee rugby justified?[/quote]

There was no question in the first place so stop attempting to twist Iraq and Lee Rigby in on this. Hamas was voted in by the people of Gaza and they knew what they were voting for in the first place[/quote]

I'm not twisting anything I'm asking you pressing questions based on your morals and how you justify things.

Is the death of lee rigby justified as it is a result of us going to an illegal war in Iraq which our government, whom we voted in started?

Would the death of hundreds of Israelis be justified as they bombed a Palestinian hospital. This attack was made by the Israeli army and part of the government who the people of Israel elected.[/quote]

Only the bonkers would even attempt to link the death of Lee Rigby to Iraq which happened around 10 years earlier. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas killed those teenagers and send in child bombers so surelyIsrael has the right to defend itself ?[/quote]

Israel occupy illegal land which was given to them by the west and America (wasn't their land to give in the first place) and Palestinians have be right to defend their land?

Israel have an iron dome which destroys almost every bomb shot at them. Israeli settlers are constantly murdering and kidnapping Palestinians. It's all tit for tat and the innocent people in Palestine are the ones being punished.[/quote]

Sorry is this the same land which was agreed too by both sides within previous peace deals ? The bottom line is that Hamas was voted in by the people and their actions have now been responded too. If the people don't want a war then why did they vote Hamas in ?[/quote]

It's not a war though is it, it is genocide. What triggered this fighting should not have led to a wide scale Israeli attack.

Israel look for any excuse possible to attack Palestine. They are murdering people for fun, all they want is to occupy Palestinian land. The fact that 4 children playing on a beach get killed completely proves that.

Both sides are guilty - but no innocent person deserves to be murdered and you need to stop justifying it. It shows how weak your character is that you think that is justifiable but not other examples I have given you.

What I am getting from you is that you are a racist who is doesn't like muslims. Which is why you find ways to justify the Israeli attacks.[/quote]

Ah using that card now are we ? Losing an argument so playing the racist card. If I,you or anyone else on this board had rockets landing in our street, neighbour or even house on a daily basis we would expect our government to defend us and attack the people behind it.[/quote]

If somebody starts with the "you're a racist" nonsense during the discussion, you're better off just tuning out from people like that. I guess by his own standards he's an anti-semite who hates jews!

"Israel look for any excuse possible to attack Palestine. They are murdering people for fun" I didn't see it at first, but I guess he's right, that's what Israel live for, to get up every morning and murder people for fun!! The poor Palestinians are just minding their own business, not harming anyone and then out of the blue and for no reason at all the Israelis decide they want to have some fun and kill some Palestinians!!

The complete ignorance of history here is staggering. the situation in Palestine is far more complex than Hamas = right or wrong or Israel = right or wrong. There are cultural, religious and historical intricacies going back for thousands of years which make the modernity of the current position incredibly complex.

Some good up and coming fighters in those pictures. fair play to Hamas they start them young.They'll be battle hardened by ten

Some good up and coming fighters in those pictures. fair play to Hamas they start them young.They'll be battle hardened by ten

thats unless the new age nazis dont reach them first and murder them all before they reach that age!

Some good up and coming fighters in those pictures. fair play to Hamas they start them young.They'll be battle hardened by ten

thats unless the new age nazis dont reach them first and murder them all before they reach that age!

To true shocking what's going on out there,probably both as bad as 1 another.got to feel for innocent victims in all this.

You are owning these berks Adam.

You are owning these berks Adam.

sorry but what's that meant to mean ?

For the Information of those who haven't seen the forum today this thread is in response to Ahernes thread which has since been deleted about the other side to the argument and believe me the photos were for worst

You are owning these berks Adam.

sorry but what's that meant to mean ?

For the Information of those who haven't seen the forum today this thread is in response to Ahernes thread which has since been deleted about the other side to the argument and believe me the photos were for worst

He's actually paying you a compliment dickhead.I'd take it and run before he gets to know what your really like.

You are owning these berks Adam.

sorry but what's that meant to mean ?

For the Information of those who haven't seen the forum today this thread is in response to Ahernes thread which has since been deleted about the other side to the argument and believe me the photos were for worst

Google the meaning of it.

It was a compliment.

You are owning these berks Adam.

sorry but what's that meant to mean ?

For the Information of those who haven't seen the forum today this thread is in response to Ahernes thread which has since been deleted about the other side to the argument and believe me the photos were for worst

Google the meaning of it.

It was a compliment.

Sorry about that eye slight isn't the best on my phone after a few. Lol

Thanks for support too. Lol

You are owning these berks Adam.

sorry but what's that meant to mean ?

For the Information of those who haven't seen the forum today this thread is in response to Ahernes thread which has since been deleted about the other side to the argument and believe me the photos were for worst

He's actually paying you a compliment dickhead.I'd take it and run before he gets to know what your really like.

I only asked him to clarify and the other part of my comment was provide everyone with an update of what's been going on today because I now see that the only pics about the conflict on here now are from me.

whos owning who here? ..... to side with the israelis is the act of someone demented in my opinion .... not one argument can justify israels murderous actions

In all fairness hern Hamas are hardly blameless, they have to stop firing rockets into Israel .

Ahernes only until I told you earlier on that you refused to believe that Hamas were voted in!!!

In all fairness hern Hamas are hardly blameless, they have to stop firing rockets into Israel .

that doesnt give them the right to kill innocent women and children ..... 32 israelis dead and over 800 palestinians .... surely even the most stubborn israeli supporters can see israel needs to be stopped

whos owning who here? ..... to side with the israelis is the act of someone demented in my opinion .... not one argument can justify israels murderous actions

Adam is owning all of you. That is the base of your argument. I bet a lot of the people who support Palestine couldn't point it out on a map.

In all fairness hern Hamas are hardly blameless, they have to stop firing rockets into Israel .

that doesnt give them the right to kill innocent women and children ..... 32 israelis dead and over 800 palestinians .... surely even the most stubborn israeli supporters can see israel needs to be stopped

Israel will stop when Hamas stop firing rockets.

It's not rocket science.

whos owning who here? ..... to side with the israelis is the act of someone demented in my opinion .... not one argument can justify israels murderous actions

Adam is owning all of you. That is the base of your argument. I bet a lot of the people who support Palestine couldn't point it out on a map.

You still ain't on my Christmas cars list yet ?

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well if you think israel should just carry on with this one sided war then carry on boys .... heres a photo for you all to enjoy ... just thank god you werent born in palestine .... good night all

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well if you think israel should just carry on with this one sided war then carry on boys .... heres a photo for you all to enjoy ... just thank god you werent born in palestine .... good night all

Of course that's horrific. Hate to see that. Hamas regularly put children like that in harms way by using them as human shields. Sad but true.

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well if you think israel should just carry on with this one sided war then carry on boys .... heres a photo for you all to enjoy ... just thank god you werent born in palestine .... good night all

How on earth is this one sided when Hamas started firing the rockets ?

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well if you think israel should just carry on with this one sided war then carry on boys .... heres a photo for you all to enjoy ... just thank god you werent born in palestine .... good night all

How on earth is this one sided when Hamas started firing the rockets ?

It depends on when you decide this 'started'. As some others have said it is very complex and goes back way beyond the formation of Hamas. It would also help if people didn't constantly equate opposition to the decisions of the Israeli government with anti-semitism. It is pathetic, and ignores the large numbers of Jewish people across the globe who are also campaigning against the actions of the Israeli government.

This stage of the conflict began in April after the Hamas-Fatah agreement to set up a National Unity Government across the Palestinian territories. The Israeli response was to end all talks with Palestinians, tighten the blockade on Gaza (the biggest open air prison in the world), arrest hundreds of Hamas supporters and kill a number of Palestinian youths.

The murder of the 3 Israeli boys has been put at Hamas' door. They deny it. It was probably done by one of the semi-autonomous groups that have a loose link with Hamas but dont act on their orders. Hamas started firing their rockets in response to the Israeli attacks on Gaza and their supporters. I don't agree with Hamas, I don't support them, but I can see why they do the only thing they think they can do to resist. I think they are wrong morally and tactically to keep firing the rockets, but no way are Hamas the initiators of this latest round of murder in Gaza (and a couple of victims in Israel)

The BBC hasn't been even handed in my view - but even they have now and then tried to explain the back-story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28371966

Someone above rubbished the idea that Israelis woke up one morning and decided to bomb Palestinians. I don't think that idea is rubbish at all. It is part of a deliberate political strategy to destabilise the Palestinian political/military groups and to undermine the international 'peace plan' that is painfully slowly moving towards a (probably unstable) 2 State Solution. There seems to be an expression in Israeli government circles for waking up one morning - every couple of years - and deciding to bomb Palestinians. According to the Israeli ambassador to the USA it is called 'mowing the grass'.