' Cornellius transfer not the only balls up '

Thought a release clause was to say they can then talk. Not that is the amount we have to except. He is worth what we say he is. Most probably wrong. But it's Tans staff so the buck stops with Tan. A bad tradesman always blames his tools. Now Tan is blaming his tools

Who's going to pay more than the release, Brains? As long as it's met, we have to let clubs talk to him. The club that will get him will then meet his personal demands. Maybe you were a consultant on Moody and Malkys team, you seem to know feck all about transfers

I cant believe that people post on here that they are happy with the deal because Spurs dont get anything from the sale.

If we sold him for for 2 mill more it would still be 1 mill profit to us but who cares about that? We are Cardiff so we dont need it right!

Mad aint it??

That isn't what I meant as I explained. Of course 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. But in the real world, Caulker would not have signed for Cardiff under any other conditions. He had other options and had no previous loyalty to us.

That's where the negotiation comes into play and the fact is that Malky and Moody were way out of their depth, as we are now seeing

The problem we have got here is, any club promoted to the Premier League, New players dictate their contracts and have get out clauses and its happening at 99% of the clubs that go up and down from the Premier League.

If were going to blame anyone its Simon Lim CEO who wrote all the contracts up and then was present on every player signing and over saw everything on behalf of Tan, a fact.

Ryan Gauld, the Scottish wonderkid, just signed for Sporting Lisbon for £3 million, on a 6 year contract, they have inserted a £60 million buy out clause in his contract Clubs dictate, when the people doing the deals at those clubs know what they are doing

[quote="Forever Blue"][quote="Leytonstoneblue"][quote="Forever Blue"]I havent read your post in full, as off out, but just so you know, if Caulker is sold to QPR, we have not lost one pence [/quote]

We should be making money on Caulker mate, if Luke Shaw is worth £30 million then surely Caulker is worth £12 million??[/quote]

Why?

Weve just been relegated, were lucky weve got all our money back [/quote]

agreed annis and lim is to blame on contracts, but at least tan is following a transfer model accepted by many inc man city do learned from mistake .?

I havent read your post in full, as off out, but just so you know, if Caulker is sold to QPR, we have not lost one pence

We should be making money on Caulker mate, if Luke Shaw is worth £30 million then surely Caulker is worth £12 million??

Why?

Weve just been relegated, were lucky weve got all our money back

agreed annis and lim is to blame on contracts, but at least tan is following a transfer model accepted by many inc man city do learned from mistake .?

True, hopefully Allan, we have learnt our lesson a heavy lesson.

[quote="Forever Blue"][quote="pembroke allan"][quote="Forever Blue"][quote="Leytonstoneblue"][quote="Forever Blue"]I havent read your post in full, as off out, but just so you know, if Caulker is sold to QPR, we have not lost one pence [/quote]

We should be making money on Caulker mate, if Luke Shaw is worth £30 million then surely Caulker is worth £12 million??[/quote]

Why?

Weve just been relegated, were lucky weve got all our money back [/quote]

agreed annis and lim is to blame on contracts, but at least tan is following a transfer model accepted by many inc man city do learned from mistake .? [/quote]


True, hopefully Allan, we have learnt our lesson a heavy lesson.[/quote

think you can see that by our signings and way we are doing things selling players at proper rates looks good.

A better deal for CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB could and SHOULD have been negotiated imo. A relegation release clause is one thing, but less than the players actual value is poor business ! Everyone involved is to blame.

I think you all missing the point. Campbell was bought as the final gamble when Malky and even tan could see we didn't have enough fire power to see us through to the end of that promotion season. For £650K he could have left at the end of last season for free !!!!!!

No chance did Malky believe that Campbell was our first choice striker for the premier league season if so why did we spend a fortune on "the tank" and panic and buy but play odenwhingie out of position ????

Are you saying Malky didn't have enough faith in Campbell then. Poor judgement then imo.

Not even Arsenal pay £8 million for a back up..........

I can imagine the conversation

Malky: Hey Vinnie I need £8 million for a striker
VT: What about the £650K I gave you in February for campbell
Malky : Quality back up, but this kid is the business, we'll make a fortune on this kid
VT: What does our football expert Moody say
Malky: He said he is quality and we better get him soon because Leicester are looking at him

Your all missing the point though?? Caulker is worth more thhan £8 million, I have never heard anything so ridiculous as people stating that £8 million is good as anything over we would share 50/50 with Spurs If he had gone for £10 million, which he should have done, then we make £1million, the way the deal has been set up gives Caulker £15k a week on top of what he should be getting as the transfer fee is lower than it should be. Thats the magic of Malky and Moody

I'm not saying they are good contracts, quite the opposite,I agree with you, but thats the Magic of Simon Lim CEO on behalf on Tan

Simon Lim knows nothing about football. What's Malky's and Moody's excuse? As much as I dislike the jacks they seem to play the transfer market intelligently. We on the other hand have been appalling in recent years. Absolute dimwits to be honest

Your all missing the point though?? Caulker is worth more thhan £8 million, I have never heard anything so ridiculous as people stating that £8 million is good as anything over we would share 50/50 with Spurs If he had gone for £10 million, which he should have done, then we make £1million, the way the deal has been set up gives Caulker £15k a week on top of what he should be getting as the transfer fee is lower than it should be. Thats the magic of Malky and Moody

I'm not saying they are good contracts, quite the opposite,I agree with you, but thats the Magic of Simon Lim CEO on behalf on Tan

Simon Lim knows nothing about football. What's Malky's and Moody's excuse? As much as I dislike the jacks they seem to play the transfer market intelligently. We on the other hand have been appalling in recent years. Absolute dimwits to be honest

We've been like it for years. Look at lack of sell on clauses for Ramsey and others

We won't lose a penny on Caulker and Medel. We may even make a small profit from the two. Brayford will hopefully show this season why he was rated as the best right back in the Championship and prove the 1.5 million to sign him was a bargain. I would say we will probably get our 2 million back on Catherine too if we sell him. To me, it seems we will only lose money from the Cornelius and Odemwingie deals, so for you to slate Malky for "several" signings that you say we will lose money on is highly unfair and untrue.

even if brayford were to become the best full back in the world......how can that ever be atributed as good business by Malky?

We won't lose a penny on Caulker and Medel. We may even make a small profit from the two. Brayford will hopefully show this season why he was rated as the best right back in the Championship and prove the 1.5 million to sign him was a bargain. I would say we will probably get our 2 million back on Catherine too if we sell him. To me, it seems we will only lose money from the Cornelius and Odemwingie deals, so for you to slate Malky for "several" signings that you say we will lose money on is highly unfair and untrue.

even if brayford were to become the best full back in the world......how can that ever be atributed as good business by Malky?

If most people are asked how much they would pay for the best full back in the Championship, they would quote figures higher than 1.5 million. It therefore looked like Malky got a bargain getting Brayford for only 1.5 million at the time, and if Brayford plays this season and proves to once again be the best right back in the Championship, his value will become a lot higher than 1.5 million. Nobody knows how Brayford will do for us, but the fact is we signed Brayford because he was one of, if not the best right back in the Championship, was Derby's player of the year and the Derby fans were gutted they lost him.

If Brayford plays as well for us as he did for Derby, then the 1.5 million we paid for him will be very good business by Malky. It's a shame something went on for Brayford not to feature last season. Some people think he had a falling out with Malky but that can't be true can it, because one of the first things Ole did when he came in was loan Brayford out. Maybe Malky and Ole were under orders not to play Brayford? It's a mystery but I hope Brayford is given a fair chance this season.

Your all missing the point though?? Caulker is worth more thhan £8 million, I have never heard anything so ridiculous as people stating that £8 million is good as anything over we would share 50/50 with Spurs If he had gone for £10 million, which he should have done, then we make £1million, the way the deal has been set up gives Caulker £15k a week on top of what he should be getting as the transfer fee is lower than it should be. Thats the magic of Malky and Moody

I'm not saying they are good contracts, quite the opposite,I agree with you, but thats the Magic of Simon Lim CEO on behalf on Tan

Simon Lim knows nothing about football. What's Malky's and Moody's excuse? As much as I dislike the jacks they seem to play the transfer market intelligently. We on the other hand have been appalling in recent years. Absolute dimwits to be honest

We've been like it for years. Look at lack of sell on clauses for Ramsey and others

To be fair to Ridsdale (difficult I know) the Ramsay transfer was a forced sale and was done to keep the club afloat. With Mr Tan's backing in place (and proper guidance on the football side)it would simply not have happened this way.

Mr Tan's break with Mackay/Moody was very much to do with the complete breach of faith and abuse of the trust they were given in terms of budgets and transfer policy as . As someone else once put it on this forum they were 'out of their depth and (ultimately) out of control.'

We won't lose a penny on Caulker and Medel. We may even make a small profit from the two. Brayford will hopefully show this season why he was rated as the best right back in the Championship and prove the 1.5 million to sign him was a bargain. I would say we will probably get our 2 million back on Catherine too if we sell him. To me, it seems we will only lose money from the Cornelius and Odemwingie deals, so for you to slate Malky for "several" signings that you say we will lose money on is highly unfair and untrue.

even if brayford were to become the best full back in the world......how can that ever be atributed as good business by Malky?

If most people are asked how much they would pay for the best full back in the Championship, they would quote figures higher than 1.5 million. It therefore looked like Malky got a bargain getting Brayford for only 1.5 million at the time, and if Brayford plays this season and proves to once again be the best right back in the Championship, his value will become a lot higher than 1.5 million. Nobody knows how Brayford will do for us, but the fact is we signed Brayford because he was one of, if not the best right back in the Championship, was Derby's player of the year and the Derby fans were gutted they lost him.

If Brayford plays as well for us as he did for Derby, then the 1.5 million we paid for him will be very good business by Malky. It's a shame something went on for Brayford not to feature last season. Some people think he had a falling out with Malky but that can't be true can it, because one of the first things Ole did when he came in was loan Brayford out. Maybe Malky and Ole were under orders not to play Brayford? It's a mystery but I hope Brayford is given a fair chance this season.

malky bought him then didnt play him.................that isnt good business, we needed every single penny spent on 1st team players for our first prem season..............Ole had way to many players to deal with,plus he wanted to put his own stamp on the team by signing players..one of which was a right back..........something had to give,i think brayford going on loan was best all round

We won't lose a penny on Caulker and Medel. We may even make a small profit from the two. Brayford will hopefully show this season why he was rated as the best right back in the Championship and prove the 1.5 million to sign him was a bargain. I would say we will probably get our 2 million back on Catherine too if we sell him. To me, it seems we will only lose money from the Cornelius and Odemwingie deals, so for you to slate Malky for "several" signings that you say we will lose money on is highly unfair and untrue.

even if brayford were to become the best full back in the world......how can that ever be atributed as good business by Malky?

If most people are asked how much they would pay for the best full back in the Championship, they would quote figures higher than 1.5 million. It therefore looked like Malky got a bargain getting Brayford for only 1.5 million at the time, and if Brayford plays this season and proves to once again be the best right back in the Championship, his value will become a lot higher than 1.5 million. Nobody knows how Brayford will do for us, but the fact is we signed Brayford because he was one of, if not the best right back in the Championship, was Derby's player of the year and the Derby fans were gutted they lost him.

If Brayford plays as well for us as he did for Derby, then the 1.5 million we paid for him will be very good business by Malky. It's a shame something went on for Brayford not to feature last season. Some people think he had a falling out with Malky but that can't be true can it, because one of the first things Ole did when he came in was loan Brayford out. Maybe Malky and Ole were under orders not to play Brayford? It's a mystery but I hope Brayford is given a fair chance this season.

malky bought him then didnt play him.................that isnt good business, we needed every single penny spent on 1st team players for our first prem season..............Ole had way to many players to deal with,plus he wanted to put his own stamp on the team by signing players..one of which was a right back..........something had to give,i think brayford going on loan was best all round

To be accurate, Ole merely extended Brayford's existing loan which was done by Malky as this was probably the only realistic option.
Brayford's falling out with Malky came to a head at Accrington seemingly over the style of play(see also C. Bellamy later in the season). Malky also bought Theophile for more money - an accident waiting to happen for most of the season- but obviously he had to play.

Moody was the Head of recruitment, and as an ex agent I think it is reasonable that Tan would have trusted him with footballers contracts and given him his lead. Even more so with the backing Malky gave him. I believe lim would have dealt with the general business end. We got dicked on contracts, and I think we can all see that now.

Moody was the Head of recruitment, and as an ex agent I think it is reasonable that Tan would have trusted him with footballers contracts and given him his lead. Even more so with the backing Malky gave him. I believe lim would have dealt with the general business end. We got dicked on contracts, and I think we can all see that now.

Agree with this as something must have been amiss for moody to apologise the same time as Malky . After all he had left the club and had been paid up his contract months before Malky got removed.
So why the apology from him?

Doubt every player Hull signed are on relegation contracts, we could have took the route of recruiting more players for cheap prices but MM got giddy like a fat kid with chocolate with Moody.