Sir Tan knows how to make his millions even in football

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

I would doubt that right now that there is enough equity in the club to match the outstanding debts. He is unlikely to convert debt to equity unless the value of the club can be increased, and the best way of doing that is by a return to the Premier League. I'm no fan of Tan, but with the money he has made for himself, if he's an idiot it doesn't say much for the rest of us.

I would doubt that right now that there is enough equity in the club to match the outstanding debts. He is unlikely to convert debt to equity unless the value of the club can be increased, and the best way of doing that is by a return to the Premier League. I'm no fan of Tan, but with the money he has made for himself, if he's an idiot it doesn't say much for the rest of us.

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

OMFG!!! Tan had nothing to do with the split within the fan base? Please ignore this complete and utter CLOWN!!!

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

OMFG!!! Tan had nothing to do with the split within the fan base? Please ignore this complete and utter CLOWN!!!

Did tan tell you to say that?

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

OMFG!!! Tan had nothing to do with the split within the fan base? Please ignore this complete and utter CLOWN!!!

Tonteg,I'm not going to stick up for Tan, but City fans have argued with each other for as long as I've supported them, and that goes back to 1968. If it wasn't Tan, there would be something else, and if there was nothing to argue over, this forum would probably be a bit boring. Red shirts are wrong, but what colour seat I am going to sit on doesn't exactly have any major impact on my life. Reinstating our blue shirts would be a great idea, and then we could all argue about the colour of the ketchup on our burgers or something similar.

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

OMFG!!! Tan had nothing to do with the split within the fan base? Please ignore this complete and utter CLOWN!!!

Tonteg,I'm not going to stick up for Tan, but City fans have argued with each other for as long as I've supported them, and that goes back to 1968. If it wasn't Tan, there would be something else, and if there was nothing to argue over, this forum would probably be a bit boring. Red shirts are wrong, but what colour seat I am going to sit on doesn't exactly have any major impact on my life. Reinstating our blue shirts would be a great idea, and then we could all argue about the colour of the ketchup on our burgers or something similar.

I agree but nevermind all that. Natman says he believes Tan has nothing to do with the split within our fan base! He's comedy gold and it's clear he's just on here to stir things with comments like that!

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

I know its just a co;our to you, u feel nothing.

Well to thousands including myself Tan stripped us of our identity, took our pride from us and has deeply hurt us.

The debt is more than out of control and to me that worries me, Tan is not delivering.

Tan is responsible.

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

I know its just a colour to you, u feel nothing.

Well to thousands including myself Tan stripped us of our identity, took our pride from us and has deeply hurt us.

The debt is more than out of control and to me that worries me, Tan is not delivering.

Tan is responsible.

I know we won't agree on it. I hope we can return to blue one day though as I know how strongly many feel about it. As long as people go about it the right way in getting it back then fine.

How is he not delivering? I don't get how anyone can accuse him of that. He's met every promise so far.

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

OMFG!!! Tan had nothing to do with the split within the fan base? Please ignore this complete and utter CLOWN!!!

Tonteg,I'm not going to stick up for Tan, but City fans have argued with each other for as long as I've supported them, and that goes back to 1968. If it wasn't Tan, there would be something else, and if there was nothing to argue over, this forum would probably be a bit boring. Red shirts are wrong, but what colour seat I am going to sit on doesn't exactly have any major impact on my life. Reinstating our blue shirts would be a great idea, and then we could all argue about the colour of the ketchup on our burgers or something similar.

I agree but nevermind all that. Natman says he believes Tan has nothing to do with the split within our fan base! He's comedy gold and it's clear he's just on here to stir things with comments like that!

Please Tonteg, did tan tell you to call me a clown?

Are these Natman blokes the same person. Sad fucker if so.

Are these Natman blokes the same person. Sad fucker if so.

Whats the problem?

been rebranded

Are these Natman blokes the same person. Sad fucker if so.

Nope, just someone's idea to try and undermine what I post. Some of the mods are allowing him to carry on so I must be on to something

Natmans

You can stick up for your Tan as much as you both like, the disgraceful facts are there, Tan has stripped us of our identity,divided our club,the debt is out of control and were back in the Championship.

He changed our colour, the debt is not out of control. The debt is all about proportionality, so for tan is more than manageable.

As for the fan base the n people have to be accountable for their own behaviour. That one definitely had nothing to do with tan!

I know its just a colour to you, u feel nothing.

Well to thousands including myself Tan stripped us of our identity, took our pride from us and has deeply hurt us.

The debt is more than out of control and to me that worries me, Tan is not delivering.

Tan is responsible.

I know we won't agree on it. I hope we can return to blue one day though as I know how strongly many feel about it. As long as people go about it the right way in getting it back then fine.

How is he not delivering? I don't get how anyone can accuse him of that. He's met every promise so far.

Natman,


You for once tell me what Vincent Tan has delivered?

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

Annis, there's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Sir Tan knows how to make his millions even in football The stadium is covered in his businesses as sponsors. Kit now sponsored by him

For such a successful businessman he is clueless when it comes to football. The rebrand was first cock up. The Malky sacking was another. Letting moody/lim have free hand over transfer dealings was another cock up.

Although those cock ups were made fairly early in his ownership, he learned from those, dealt with it, and moved on with new policies and procedures in place

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

Annis, there's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.
At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

You tell em Natman.

Sir Tan knows how to make his millions even in football The stadium is covered in his businesses as sponsors. Kit now sponsored by him

For such a successful businessman he is clueless when it comes to football. The rebrand was first cock up. The Malky sacking was another. Letting moody/lim have free hand over transfer dealings was another cock up.

So malky had nothing to do with the transfer dealings, no blame on him what so ever??? ok then.

So we don't "KNOW" then, like Natman said.

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

Annis, there's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

That's a great post!

Sir Tan knows how to make his millions even in football The stadium is covered in his businesses as sponsors. Kit now sponsored by him

For such a successful businessman he is clueless when it comes to football. The rebrand was first cock up. The Malky sacking was another. Letting moody/lim have free hand over transfer dealings was another cock up.

Although those cock ups were made fairly early in his ownership, he learned from those, dealt with it, and moved on with new policies and procedures in place

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Shame such a great post is on page 2 of a thread, Natman copy and paste it as a new topic, surely its wortha sticky mods??

Shame such a great post is on page 2 of a thread, Natman copy and paste it as a new topic, surely its wortha sticky mods??

okie dokes. But wait for Barry Chuckle to jump allover it if i do!

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

Annis, there's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.
At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

You tell em Natman.

There's nothing in that post that anyone can argue with. Forgot to add that he honoured the season ticket agreement which he didn't have to plus donated final balance to complete the Fred Keener statute. The whole sad thing is he paid of the real rogue which funny enough gets away free of any criticism.

okie dokes. But wait for Barry Chuckle to jump allover it if i do!

Here we go again. same old posts despite being "all over" topics which slate Tan. You are the forums biggest hypocrite.

What's wrong? Don't like people disliking or challenging your idol?!

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

Annis, there's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.
At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

You tell em Natman.

There's nothing in that post that anyone can argue with. Forgot to add that he honoured the season ticket agreement which he didn't have to plus donated final balance to complete the Fred Keener statute. The whole sad thing is he paid of the real rogue which funny enough gets away free of any criticism.

True Danny.

I'll also ellaborate on what I think is happening with Sarajevo and the other clubs. I don't want necessarily to call them feeder clubs but that is what I think will happen in effect. Those clubs will become regional talent scouts for City. The best talent will be purchased for a smaller fee to that 'feeder club' and given a chance to prove themselves. if that happens then the player can be traded up the ladder to eventually Cardiff who would be on the highest platform on which to display talent. That player can then hopefully be traded on again at a handsome profit and raise further revenue. I guess tan is looking at a hybrid of the Swansea, Southampton and arsenal models in effect.

Shame such a great post is on page 2 of a thread, Natman copy and paste it as a new topic, surely its wortha sticky mods??

okie dokes. But wait for Barry Chuckle to jump allover it if i do!

told you!

Shame such a great post is on page 2 of a thread, Natman copy and paste it as a new topic, surely its wortha sticky mods??

okie dokes. But wait for Barry Chuckle to jump allover it if i do!

told you!

what, so I'm not allowed to post an opinion on your little thread dedicated to your idol?

You're more than happy to hound Annis when there is a post that is Anti Tan, yet as soon as someone questions him on one of your posts, you have a little paddy?!

Get a f*cking grip.

okie dokes. But wait for Barry Chuckle to jump allover it if i do!

Here we go again. same old posts despite being "all over" topics which slate Tan. You are the forums biggest hypocrite.

What's wrong? Don't like people disliking or challenging your idol?!

God Lord buckles that's got to be your worse post ever, and you must admit there's been some crackers.