WELL DONE AND THANKS MEDEL!!

The amount of negativity to Medel in this thread is incredible. The abuse he got as a Cardiff player was bad enough, but to get further abuse for making the team of the tournament and being a key member of the Chile team is amazing. Just goes to show the level of intelligence of some posters on this forum. Personally, I was gutted for Medel and I am pleased he's had a great tournament to firstly, prove his doubters wrong by showing what a quality player he is and secondly, to put a good few million on his valuation if we sell him.

Correct! He played out of his skin!!!

Willie aka Roathie f**k OFF

Well wide of the mark , as is your attitude to players, present or past.

I won't respond using abusive language, even if you resort to it.

I am not Roathie, have never had another account, nor do I have one today. What I have written above is totally in support of Cardiff City Bluebirds. You look like a bully here so drop it.

Find a moderator and check my IP address. It has never been used for another account here, or in Australia.

Stop being a div and read what I posted.

Boring multi c**t. f**k off.

Boring? Number of replies to this thread suggests otherwise
Multi? I have no other accounts and never have.
C**t? Chat. Yes of course. That's what a forum is for.
F**k? Funk. Genre of music adopted by bands like Jamiroquai.
Off? Bye

P.S.
Now then. If you want I can fill in those words another way, but that will get you into trouble. If you want to, just ignore me but I won't be bullied, especially by a Cardiff fan.

He represented Chile, not us. Thank you for bumping up your value and possibly getting more clubs interested so we can quickly sell you.

What are you on about??? Of course HD represented us. WE WERE MENTIONED TIME AND AGAIN AS HIS CLUB

So when Gareth Bale plays for a Spanish club, you don't feel a sense of pride???

This could be a real boost for his price if he goes anyway.

DOES IT REFLECT BADLY ON CARDIFF? No!!!!!

No he didn't. He represented Chile.

I want Bale to do well because he is Welsh. Medel really doesn't give a toss about Cardiff so why should we care for him?

The only good thing to come out of it is his value significantly going up. Nothing more.

Having a CCFC player on the world stage means nothing to the club???

Have a word with yourself!!

He played for Chile, but represented:
Chile
His family
His friends
His past club associations
Professional football
The FA
FIFA
and.........

CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB

So you think there will be an up rise in Cardiff fans from Chile then? It's nice to see a Cardiff player at the world cup of course but I really do not care if their sides does well or not just because they play for us. He played here for a year, did poorly and now all of a sudden that should be forgotten and we should feel pride because he played at a World Cup? No chance.

Going by your logic he is representing Chile when he plays at club level then. Face it, when he plays for Cardiff he represents Cardiff. When he plays for Chile he represents Chile. I bet he didn't think once about Cardiff in his time in Brazil.

I'm not on about Chilean interest!!
I'm concerned with the reputation and status of Cardiff. He has done us no harm.

By a similar logic, Suarez has let his country down, but also tarnished the reputation of LFC. As a result, he could well be sold.

The point about Medel being not a representative of Chile when he plays for Cardiff is equally spurious. To have a relatively poor country mentioned in connection with a Premier League Club increases the uptake of Sky, etc all over the world.


Sorry about the shouting, but:
I STARTED A POSITIVE THREAD HERE!!

So all it means is his value went up? I was correct then. Medel's performance won't gain extra supporters from Chile or anything else so the only positive is his value going up. The club's reputation doesn't rise, there won't be agents for big players phoning Ole trying to get him to sign them. All it means is his value goes up, nothing more.

By what logic? Your own? You have said that Medel represents us while playing for Chile, that is your logic not mine. So yes, if we use your logic then Suarez has tarnished Liverpool's name.

Oh are you one of those daft people who want everyone to get along and agree with each other? Positive or not. I do not agree with you, you think we should be happy for Medel yet he doesn't care for us in anyway. You stick to being 'positive' and naive.

I totally disagree with just about everything you've just stated.

Suarez has jeopardised his future at Liverpool because he is yet again suspended and could stop LFC making a bid for the title. AGAIN!

Medel's stock will have risen due to the WC which will benefit Cardiff. However, to have Cardiff mentioned numerous times on TV and the rest of the media will do the club's reputation no harm. I didn't say the phone would start to ring so don't put words in my mouth.

Am I daft? Ask Cardiff University who "gave" me an honours degree at a time when the University population in UK was 20% of the size it is now and a place had to be earned, not bought.

Am I naïve? As it goes, probably yes when it comes to posting something positive on a forum that has some members who are not supporters in the true sense of the word.

Now I'm going to really get up your nose, because I can tell you that the Jacks I know are totally behind Bony, Vorm, Deguzman and Ki. Why can't you do the same? And before you start, Deguzman is on loan and probably off back to his club, Vorm may leave because Fabianski has gone there and Ki hasn't returned from loan at Sunderland. Bony could well go too. That doesn't mean they stop supporting them!!

How's that for positivity?

It is strange how many people on this thread and another about Medel are positive regarding his involvement and what it means for Cardiff City.

Rather that slag off my positivity, why not take a look in the mirror and consider whether you have emotional immaturity which is why you are so negative and throw your teddy out of the cot when you disagree.

Have a nice day

Sunday paper I read gave him a 6/10.
I think our fans are trying to believe some hype in the hope we get half out money back.

Sunday paper I read gave him a 6/10.
I think our fans are trying to believe some hype in the hope we get half out money back.

I read 8/10 somewhere else (joint top of the Chilean team).

I suppose opinions will be divided there.

The money won't in my opinion be what was paid for him, although I'm sure it has risen recently.

Sunday paper I read gave him a 6/10.
I think our fans are trying to believe some hype in the hope we get half out money back.

https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/ ... 5367839745

[quote="2blue2handle"]Sunday paper I read gave him a 6/10./quote]

Must be true then. why not make an opinion for yourself??

Medel was class, even got voted in defence in BBC World Cup team of the group stage by 'all' the fans.

And that was before a terrific game on Saturday.

Great to see he is proving everyone who slighted him wrong.

Medel was class, even got voted in defence in BBC World Cup team of the group stage by 'all' the fans.

And that was before a terrific game on Saturday.

Great to see he is proving everyone who slighted him wrong.

How does a few games prove 40 games wrong?

Did Ronaldo's poor performances prove he's crap? Or is it more accurate to look at his full season body of work for an accurate insight to his current ability?

Surely his performances for us are the ones that matter - and sadly he seemed to "turn off" in the second part of the season.

If he goes, so be it, wont really miss him.

He represented Chile, not us. Thank you for bumping up your value and possibly getting more clubs interested so we can quickly sell you.

What are you on about??? Of course HD represented us. WE WERE MENTIONED TIME AND AGAIN AS HIS CLUB

So when Gareth Bale plays for a Spanish club, you don't feel a sense of pride???

This could be a real boost for his price if he goes anyway.

DOES IT REFLECT BADLY ON CARDIFF? No!!!!!

No he didn't. He represented Chile.

I want Bale to do well because he is Welsh. Medel really doesn't give a toss about Cardiff so why should we care for him?

The only good thing to come out of it is his value significantly going up. Nothing more.

Having a CCFC player on the world stage means nothing to the club???

Have a word with yourself!!

He played for Chile, but represented:
Chile
His family
His friends
His past club associations
Professional football
The FA
FIFA
and.........

CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB

So you think there will be an up rise in Cardiff fans from Chile then? It's nice to see a Cardiff player at the world cup of course but I really do not care if their sides does well or not just because they play for us. He played here for a year, did poorly and now all of a sudden that should be forgotten and we should feel pride because he played at a World Cup? No chance.

Going by your logic he is representing Chile when he plays at club level then. Face it, when he plays for Cardiff he represents Cardiff. When he plays for Chile he represents Chile. I bet he didn't think once about Cardiff in his time in Brazil.

I'm not on about Chilean interest!!
I'm concerned with the reputation and status of Cardiff. He has done us no harm.

By a similar logic, Suarez has let his country down, but also tarnished the reputation of LFC. As a result, he could well be sold.

The point about Medel being not a representative of Chile when he plays for Cardiff is equally spurious. To have a relatively poor country mentioned in connection with a Premier League Club increases the uptake of Sky, etc all over the world.


Sorry about the shouting, but:
I STARTED A POSITIVE THREAD HERE!!

So all it means is his value went up? I was correct then. Medel's performance won't gain extra supporters from Chile or anything else so the only positive is his value going up. The club's reputation doesn't rise, there won't be agents for big players phoning Ole trying to get him to sign them. All it means is his value goes up, nothing more.

By what logic? Your own? You have said that Medel represents us while playing for Chile, that is your logic not mine. So yes, if we use your logic then Suarez has tarnished Liverpool's name.

Oh are you one of those daft people who want everyone to get along and agree with each other? Positive or not. I do not agree with you, you think we should be happy for Medel yet he doesn't care for us in anyway. You stick to being 'positive' and naive.

I totally disagree with just about everything you've just stated.

Suarez has jeopardised his future at Liverpool because he is yet again suspended and could stop LFC making a bid for the title. AGAIN!

Medel's stock will have risen due to the WC which will benefit Cardiff. However, to have Cardiff mentioned numerous times on TV and the rest of the media will do the club's reputation no harm. I didn't say the phone would start to ring so don't put words in my mouth.

Am I daft? Ask Cardiff University who "gave" me an honours degree at a time when the University population in UK was 20% of the size it is now and a place had to be earned, not bought.

Am I naïve? As it goes, probably yes when it comes to posting something positive on a forum that has some members who are not supporters in the true sense of the word.

Now I'm going to really get up your nose, because I can tell you that the Jacks I know are totally behind Bony, Vorm, Deguzman and Ki. Why can't you do the same? And before you start, Deguzman is on loan and probably off back to his club, Vorm may leave because Fabianski has gone there and Ki hasn't returned from loan at Sunderland. Bony could well go too. That doesn't mean they stop supporting them!!

How's that for positivity?

It is strange how many people on this thread and another about Medel are positive regarding his involvement and what it means for Cardiff City.

Rather that slag off my positivity, why not take a look in the mirror and consider whether you have emotional immaturity which is why you are so negative and throw your teddy out of the cot when you disagree.

Have a nice day

Yes, I agree with Suarez. I haven't said anything different. Improve your reading.

Ah, so it only improves his price. Our name being mentioned means nothing, we won't get more fans from it. Only his price goes up which is a good thing and is the only thing to benefit us from Chile's WC campaign. Nothing more happens, which is different to what you are suggesting.

So because I am not proud of Medel I am not a supporter of Cardiff? Medel was POOR last season. He doesn't care for us, so I'll ask again, why should we care about him? I'm sorry I have not jumped on the Medel bandwagon saying he is our greatest ever player and is world class just because of two good World Cup matches.

What on earth have Swansea fans got to do with anything? Those players mentioned have contributed a lot more for Swansea than Medel has for us. I have said it is nice to see a Cardiff player at the World Cup but I'm not getting passionate about it nor did I want Chile to go went far just for Medel.

Were you there with tears in eyes, hand over your heart blasting out South Korea's national anthem when Kimbo came on? If not then you are a negative person who isn't a supporter of Cardiff.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am being negative. Surely you are smarter than that? Medel hasn't represented us and the only good thing to come out of his run with Chile is his increased value. That is basically my argument, how is it negative?

Sunday paper I read gave him a 6/10./quote]

Must be true then. why not make an opinion for yourself??

Well its true they gave him 6/10 yes.
I only seen bits of the game, not enough to judge. Ratings will vary paper to paper not doubt but I can only say what ive read not sure why everyones having a little cry about it

Here's to making a profit

Echo reads think he is worth 13.5m
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ar-7345116

There is nothing wrong with my reading! You questioned what logic was being employed. Then you assumed it was mine (which you obviously disagreed with). You then applied my 'questionable' logic to say it would suggest the statement about Suarez is valid (and therefore invalid because of the 'questionable' logic). Don't try to say otherwise. You know that player performances at the WC can impact one heir club, whether positively of otherwise.

Where did I say I wasn't proud to see Kimbo play for S. Korea? In fact, he did well too, ironically with his big mate Ki, which leads me on to the next point:

The Swans players are relevant because they are the only other Welsh club with representatives in the World Cup. Their contribution to the club is not the issue here. It is the fact that the Jacks I know get a kick out of seeing their players on the world stage. And I feel the same about Kimbo and Medel. It's called support>>>

I didn't say you aren't a Cardiff supporter. I said that in the true sense of the word, if you don't support a player, then by definition, you aren't supporting.

It's ok to disagree. That's what forums are for and the fact that you bother to reply suggests you care about the club and I don't doubt that. Where we disagree is in the impact the World Cup can have on clubs. It is as simple as that.

To call me naïve and accuse me of having limited literacy is just name calling and belongs in the playground so I think we will leave that one there.

If CCFC is to progress and give the PL a proper go next time, we need stability and a united fan base. Maybe it would be better to build the team properly than to resort to the cheque book. Expensive players aren't always good for the team. Where I think you will agree is that if Medel and others leave, as long as we get descent returns, we can move on.

This may not be a popular view, but I wouldn't mind being in 2nd tier for a while to consolidate and build a stronger unit. Next time, the PL will be a sustainable option!

There is nothing wrong with my reading! You questioned what logic was being employed. Then you assumed it was mine (which you obviously disagreed with). You then applied my 'questionable' logic to say it would suggest the statement about Suarez is valid (and therefore invalid because of the 'questionable' logic). Don't try to say otherwise. You know that player performances at the WC can impact one heir club, whether positively of otherwise.

Where did I say I wasn't proud to see Kimbo play for S. Korea? In fact, he did well too, ironically with his big mate Ki, which leads me on to the next point:

The Swans players are relevant because they are the only other Welsh club with representatives in the World Cup. Their contribution to the club is not the issue here. It is the fact that the Jacks I know get a kick out of seeing their players on the world stage. And I feel the same about Kimbo and Medel. It's called support>>>

I didn't say you aren't a Cardiff supporter. I said that in the true sense of the word, if you don't support a player, then by definition, you aren't supporting.

It's ok to disagree. That's what forums are for and the fact that you bother to reply suggests you care about the club and I don't doubt that. Where we disagree is in the impact the World Cup can have on clubs. It is as simple as that.

To call me naïve and accuse me of having limited literacy is just name calling and belongs in the playground so I think we will leave that one there.

If CCFC is to progress and give the PL a proper go next time, we need stability and a united fan base. Maybe it would be better to build the team properly than to resort to the cheque book. Expensive players aren't always good for the team. Where I think you will agree is that if Medel and others leave, as long as we get descent returns, we can move on.

This may not be a popular view, but I wouldn't mind being in 2nd tier for a while to consolidate and build a stronger unit. Next time, the PL will be a sustainable option!

It can't. We won't gain more fans nor will players want to join us just because Medel played well in 2 matches. It will only increase his value.

Also I never disagreed on Suarez. I was questioning your logic but I didn't outright say "Suarez has not tarnished Liverpool's name". Your logic was quite frankly ridiculous, you used the Suarez example (which isn't remotely the same) so I questioned it.

No Kim didn't do well, in no-one stood out for South Korea. But that is a different conversation altogether.

Yes it is irrelevant. I didn't say I didn't like seeing Medel in the World Cup, I have mentioned it twice now. He doesn't represent us, that's my point. I do not feel proud because they held Brazil and went out on pentalites JUST because we have a player playing for them. I'll only ever feel proud for two teams in football, Cardiff and Wales. If Medel had played here for years and showed passion (which he hasn't in all his games for us) I'd understand your point. But you are making it out as if all Cardiff fans should love Chile and Medel just because he plays for us.

I support a Cardiff player when he plays for CARDIFF. I am not Chilean so supporting Medel would make no sense. Especially when he really doesn't care about us. I'd be delighted to see Whitts pull on an England shirt, or Kev a Scotland shirt. It's great seeing Marshall getting capped. Those players care to some extent and have given a lot for the club. Medel hasn't, he has picked up a stupid sum of money and played poorly. I do not feel attached to him in anyway. Why can't you accept this?

You haven't given one example how our name being mentioned a few times at the World Cup will impact our club. It'll raise his value, nothing more (although that has nothing to do with our name being mentioned but whatever). Until you can list me examples then I will just keep disagreeing with you.

So you've taken great offence to being called naive and saying you can't read very well? Dear me.

Your last two paragraphs are irrelevant but for what it's worth I agree.

There is nothing wrong with my reading! You questioned what logic was being employed. Then you assumed it was mine (which you obviously disagreed with). You then applied my 'questionable' logic to say it would suggest the statement about Suarez is valid (and therefore invalid because of the 'questionable' logic). Don't try to say otherwise. You know that player performances at the WC can impact one heir club, whether positively of otherwise.

Where did I say I wasn't proud to see Kimbo play for S. Korea? In fact, he did well too, ironically with his big mate Ki, which leads me on to the next point:

The Swans players are relevant because they are the only other Welsh club with representatives in the World Cup. Their contribution to the club is not the issue here. It is the fact that the Jacks I know get a kick out of seeing their players on the world stage. And I feel the same about Kimbo and Medel. It's called support>>>

I didn't say you aren't a Cardiff supporter. I said that in the true sense of the word, if you don't support a player, then by definition, you aren't supporting.

It's ok to disagree. That's what forums are for and the fact that you bother to reply suggests you care about the club and I don't doubt that. Where we disagree is in the impact the World Cup can have on clubs. It is as simple as that.

To call me naïve and accuse me of having limited literacy is just name calling and belongs in the playground so I think we will leave that one there.

If CCFC is to progress and give the PL a proper go next time, we need stability and a united fan base. Maybe it would be better to build the team properly than to resort to the cheque book. Expensive players aren't always good for the team. Where I think you will agree is that if Medel and others leave, as long as we get descent returns, we can move on.

This may not be a popular view, but I wouldn't mind being in 2nd tier for a while to consolidate and build a stronger unit. Next time, the PL will be a sustainable option!

It can't. We won't gain more fans nor will players want to join us just because Medel played well in 2 matches. It will only increase his value.

Also I never disagreed on Suarez. I was questioning your logic but I didn't outright say "Suarez has not tarnished Liverpool's name". Your logic was quite frankly ridiculous, you used the Suarez example (which isn't remotely the same) so I questioned it.

No Kim didn't do well, in no-one stood out for South Korea. But that is a different conversation altogether.

Yes it is irrelevant. I didn't say I didn't like seeing Medel in the World Cup, I have mentioned it twice now. He doesn't represent us, that's my point. I do not feel proud because they held Brazil and went out on pentalites JUST because we have a player playing for them. I'll only ever feel proud for two teams in football, Cardiff and Wales. If Medel had played here for years and showed passion (which he hasn't in all his games for us) I'd understand your point. But you are making it out as if all Cardiff fans should love Chile and Medel just because he plays for us.

I support a Cardiff player when he plays for CARDIFF. I am not Chilean so supporting Medel would make no sense. Especially when he really doesn't care about us. I'd be delighted to see Whitts pull on an England shirt, or Kev a Scotland shirt. It's great seeing Marshall getting capped. Those players care to some extent and have given a lot for the club. Medel hasn't, he has picked up a stupid sum of money and played poorly. I do not feel attached to him in anyway. Why can't you accept this?

You haven't given one example how our name being mentioned a few times at the World Cup will impact our club. It'll raise his value, nothing more (although that has nothing to do with our name being mentioned but whatever). Until you can list me examples then I will just keep disagreeing with you.

So you've taken great offence to being called naive and saying you can't read very well? Dear me.

Your last two paragraphs are irrelevant but for what it's worth I agree.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/29/cardiffs- ... l-4780060/

Not my words!
Cardiff didn't get the best..... Etc. - So is it Medel's fault or something not right with the way he has been used at Cardiff.

The money argument is completely laughable, because he has earned far more from his club than his country. Surely, if he was a money-grabber, he'd be even more up for it knowing that bonuses and lucrative contract extensions could result.

Cardiff's Gary Medel in the headline, not Chilean Gary Medel.

He's being described as a Cardiff player who is playing for Chile.

Just because you disagree with me, it doesn't make me wrong. I have just proved to you by the language used to describe Medel's performance that he is regarded in the media as a Cardiff representative.
Call me all the names you like but you now need to prove to me by verified publications that someone has said his club is irrelevant.

Your comment about Kimbo is quite strange. I understand that as a team, S. Korea were more than the sum of their parts (actually, you argue that about Chile too), but he did ok. People were all over him in Championship. Ok, his season hasn't been brilliant, but aside from Marshall and a couple of other exceptions, is that nog true of the team otherwise relegation would have been avoided.

One final thought: Medel may not leave this summer. Nothing cast in stone yet. If you and people like you don't show some support for the players on the pitch, where does that leave us?

There is nothing wrong with my reading! You questioned what logic was being employed. Then you assumed it was mine (which you obviously disagreed with). You then applied my 'questionable' logic to say it would suggest the statement about Suarez is valid (and therefore invalid because of the 'questionable' logic). Don't try to say otherwise. You know that player performances at the WC can impact one heir club, whether positively of otherwise.

Where did I say I wasn't proud to see Kimbo play for S. Korea? In fact, he did well too, ironically with his big mate Ki, which leads me on to the next point:

The Swans players are relevant because they are the only other Welsh club with representatives in the World Cup. Their contribution to the club is not the issue here. It is the fact that the Jacks I know get a kick out of seeing their players on the world stage. And I feel the same about Kimbo and Medel. It's called support>>>

I didn't say you aren't a Cardiff supporter. I said that in the true sense of the word, if you don't support a player, then by definition, you aren't supporting.

It's ok to disagree. That's what forums are for and the fact that you bother to reply suggests you care about the club and I don't doubt that. Where we disagree is in the impact the World Cup can have on clubs. It is as simple as that.

To call me naïve and accuse me of having limited literacy is just name calling and belongs in the playground so I think we will leave that one there.

If CCFC is to progress and give the PL a proper go next time, we need stability and a united fan base. Maybe it would be better to build the team properly than to resort to the cheque book. Expensive players aren't always good for the team. Where I think you will agree is that if Medel and others leave, as long as we get descent returns, we can move on.

This may not be a popular view, but I wouldn't mind being in 2nd tier for a while to consolidate and build a stronger unit. Next time, the PL will be a sustainable option!

It can't. We won't gain more fans nor will players want to join us just because Medel played well in 2 matches. It will only increase his value.

Also I never disagreed on Suarez. I was questioning your logic but I didn't outright say "Suarez has not tarnished Liverpool's name". Your logic was quite frankly ridiculous, you used the Suarez example (which isn't remotely the same) so I questioned it.

No Kim didn't do well, in no-one stood out for South Korea. But that is a different conversation altogether.

Yes it is irrelevant. I didn't say I didn't like seeing Medel in the World Cup, I have mentioned it twice now. He doesn't represent us, that's my point. I do not feel proud because they held Brazil and went out on pentalites JUST because we have a player playing for them. I'll only ever feel proud for two teams in football, Cardiff and Wales. If Medel had played here for years and showed passion (which he hasn't in all his games for us) I'd understand your point. But you are making it out as if all Cardiff fans should love Chile and Medel just because he plays for us.

I support a Cardiff player when he plays for CARDIFF. I am not Chilean so supporting Medel would make no sense. Especially when he really doesn't care about us. I'd be delighted to see Whitts pull on an England shirt, or Kev a Scotland shirt. It's great seeing Marshall getting capped. Those players care to some extent and have given a lot for the club. Medel hasn't, he has picked up a stupid sum of money and played poorly. I do not feel attached to him in anyway. Why can't you accept this?

You haven't given one example how our name being mentioned a few times at the World Cup will impact our club. It'll raise his value, nothing more (although that has nothing to do with our name being mentioned but whatever). Until you can list me examples then I will just keep disagreeing with you.

So you've taken great offence to being called naive and saying you can't read very well? Dear me.

Your last two paragraphs are irrelevant but for what it's worth I agree.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/29/cardiffs- ... l-4780060/

Not my words!
Cardiff didn't get the best..... Etc. - So is it Medel's fault or something not right with the way he has been used at Cardiff.

The money argument is completely laughable, because he has earned far more from his club than his country. Surely, if he was a money-grabber, he'd be even more up for it knowing that bonuses and lucrative contract extensions could result.

Cardiff's Gary Medel in the headline, not Chilean Gary Medel.

He's being described as a Cardiff player who is playing for Chile.

Just because you disagree with me, it doesn't make me wrong. I have just proved to you by the language used to describe Medel's performance that he is regarded in the media as a Cardiff representative.
Call me all the names you like but you now need to prove to me by verified publications that someone has said his club is irrelevant.

Your comment about Kimbo is quite strange. I understand that as a team, S. Korea were more than the sum of their parts (actually, you argue that about Chile too), but he did ok. People were all over him in Championship. Ok, his season hasn't been brilliant, but aside from Marshall and a couple of other exceptions, is that nog true of the team otherwise relegation would have been avoided.

One final thought: Medel may not leave this summer. Nothing cast in stone yet. If you and people like you don't show some support for the players on the pitch, where does that leave us?

I've not called Medel a money grabber (once again proving my poor reading comment correct). I just said he picked up a large amount of money last season and didn't justify it. Why you have turned that into me calling him a money-grabber is odd.

So what? It does nothing for the club. It's a British paper, of course they will mention he plays for a British club. Do you think that Chilean papers are calling him Cardiff's Medel or Chile's?

Again, where do you pull this from? I believe you are wrong, he doesn't represent us when playing for Chile, his performance does nothing for the club bar raise his value. You believe I am wrong, it's how discussions on forums generally go.

It isn't strange. Kim wasn't very good for S.Korea, but I am not trying to single him out, S.Korea were poor overall. But again, not relevant to this topic. If you want to discuss Kim and S.Korea's performance in the World Cup, open a new thread and I'll happily discuss in there.

You are on another planet. I support every single player who walks across that white-line. I have done it for years, through relegation, promotion, win, lose or draw. When they go on international duties I am not overly bothered and I certainly don't think they represent us.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. You are making false claims, purposely misreading my words and twisting them to suit your argument (hello straw-man) so this is my last post on this thread.

Game, Set, Match to Llandaff

There is nothing wrong with my reading! You questioned what logic was being employed. Then you assumed it was mine (which you obviously disagreed with). You then applied my 'questionable' logic to say it would suggest the statement about Suarez is valid (and therefore invalid because of the 'questionable' logic). Don't try to say otherwise. You know that player performances at the WC can impact one heir club, whether positively of otherwise.

Where did I say I wasn't proud to see Kimbo play for S. Korea? In fact, he did well too, ironically with his big mate Ki, which leads me on to the next point:

The Swans players are relevant because they are the only other Welsh club with representatives in the World Cup. Their contribution to the club is not the issue here. It is the fact that the Jacks I know get a kick out of seeing their players on the world stage. And I feel the same about Kimbo and Medel. It's called support>>>

I didn't say you aren't a Cardiff supporter. I said that in the true sense of the word, if you don't support a player, then by definition, you aren't supporting.

It's ok to disagree. That's what forums are for and the fact that you bother to reply suggests you care about the club and I don't doubt that. Where we disagree is in the impact the World Cup can have on clubs. It is as simple as that.

To call me naïve and accuse me of having limited literacy is just name calling and belongs in the playground so I think we will leave that one there.

If CCFC is to progress and give the PL a proper go next time, we need stability and a united fan base. Maybe it would be better to build the team properly than to resort to the cheque book. Expensive players aren't always good for the team. Where I think you will agree is that if Medel and others leave, as long as we get descent returns, we can move on.

This may not be a popular view, but I wouldn't mind being in 2nd tier for a while to consolidate and build a stronger unit. Next time, the PL will be a sustainable option!

It can't. We won't gain more fans nor will players want to join us just because Medel played well in 2 matches. It will only increase his value.

Also I never disagreed on Suarez. I was questioning your logic but I didn't outright say "Suarez has not tarnished Liverpool's name". Your logic was quite frankly ridiculous, you used the Suarez example (which isn't remotely the same) so I questioned it.

No Kim didn't do well, in no-one stood out for South Korea. But that is a different conversation altogether.

Yes it is irrelevant. I didn't say I didn't like seeing Medel in the World Cup, I have mentioned it twice now. He doesn't represent us, that's my point. I do not feel proud because they held Brazil and went out on pentalites JUST because we have a player playing for them. I'll only ever feel proud for two teams in football, Cardiff and Wales. If Medel had played here for years and showed passion (which he hasn't in all his games for us) I'd understand your point. But you are making it out as if all Cardiff fans should love Chile and Medel just because he plays for us.

I support a Cardiff player when he plays for CARDIFF. I am not Chilean so supporting Medel would make no sense. Especially when he really doesn't care about us. I'd be delighted to see Whitts pull on an England shirt, or Kev a Scotland shirt. It's great seeing Marshall getting capped. Those players care to some extent and have given a lot for the club. Medel hasn't, he has picked up a stupid sum of money and played poorly. I do not feel attached to him in anyway. Why can't you accept this?

You haven't given one example how our name being mentioned a few times at the World Cup will impact our club. It'll raise his value, nothing more (although that has nothing to do with our name being mentioned but whatever). Until you can list me examples then I will just keep disagreeing with you.

So you've taken great offence to being called naive and saying you can't read very well? Dear me.

Your last two paragraphs are irrelevant but for what it's worth I agree.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/29/cardiffs- ... l-4780060/

Not my words!
Cardiff didn't get the best..... Etc. - So is it Medel's fault or something not right with the way he has been used at Cardiff.

The money argument is completely laughable, because he has earned far more from his club than his country. Surely, if he was a money-grabber, he'd be even more up for it knowing that bonuses and lucrative contract extensions could result.

Cardiff's Gary Medel in the headline, not Chilean Gary Medel.

He's being described as a Cardiff player who is playing for Chile.

Just because you disagree with me, it doesn't make me wrong. I have just proved to you by the language used to describe Medel's performance that he is regarded in the media as a Cardiff representative.
Call me all the names you like but you now need to prove to me by verified publications that someone has said his club is irrelevant.

Your comment about Kimbo is quite strange. I understand that as a team, S. Korea were more than the sum of their parts (actually, you argue that about Chile too), but he did ok. People were all over him in Championship. Ok, his season hasn't been brilliant, but aside from Marshall and a couple of other exceptions, is that nog true of the team otherwise relegation would have been avoided.

One final thought: Medel may not leave this summer. Nothing cast in stone yet. If you and people like you don't show some support for the players on the pitch, where does that leave us?

I've not called Medel a money grabber (once again proving my poor reading comment correct). I just said he picked up a large amount of money last season and didn't justify it. Why you have turned that into me calling him a money-grabber is odd.

and I'm simply saying the money is irrelevant to his performances. His lack of drive and commitment must have been down to something. You are right that I interpreted it as a mercenary implication. In that, I see your point.

So what? It does nothing for the club. It's a British paper, of course they will mention he plays for a British club. Do you think that Chilean papers are calling him Cardiff's Medel or Chile's?

i haven't once in this thread said that it will gain followers in Chile. Now who's putting a spin on things? I said it does no harm to the reputation of the club and in fact, the Uk will do for me in any case. It still shows Cardiff players on a world stage. Why can't you accept that? What has Medel done anti-Cardiff by being there? Nothing!

Again, where do you pull this from? I believe you are wrong, he doesn't represent us when playing for Chile, his performance does nothing for the club bar raise his value. You believe I am wrong, it's how discussions on forums generally go.

As I said, that is what forums are for. Thanks for agreeing with me.

It isn't strange. Kim wasn't very good for S.Korea, but I am not trying to single him out, S.Korea were poor overall. But again, not relevant to this topic. If you want to discuss Kim and S.Korea's performance in the World Cup, open a new thread and I'll happily discuss in there.

Your opinion. This topic is about Cardiff and the World Cup and I quite legitimately responded to a comment that YOU brought up about Kimbo (IMPROVE YOUR READING OF YOUR OWN POSTS)

You are on another planet. I support every single player who walks across that white-line. I have done it for years, through relegation, promotion, win, lose or draw. When they go on international duties I am not overly bothered and I certainly don't think they represent us.

I don't agree, but respect your view, so you will obviously respect mine.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. You are making false claims, purposely misreading my words and twisting them to suit your argument (hello straw-man) so this is my last post on this thread.

I haven't intentionally (or at all in my opinion) made false claims, merely stated my opinion, which is shared by others. You have added words to my responses so hardly in a position to argue that one.

I will not promise to make this my last comment, as I like the right to respond (whereas you voluntarily relinquished your gave up your right to reply.

I am glad to have proved you wrong and you haven't responded with any proofs yourself.

Game, Set, Match to Llandaff

Read the above. I think you will find that you blew the whistle too early.

On a positive note, thank you for accepting my advice not to use offensive language.

My work here is done.

Game, Set, Match to Llandaff

Read the above. I think you will find that you blew the whistle too early.

On a positive note, thank you for accepting my advice not to use offensive language.

My work here is done.

Bye Roath

Bye

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Bye Roath!