' Steve Borley '

If we are at the top of the league next season no one will give a shit about the colour of the seats ,the stadium will be full ,just like the season we went up

Wez, Totally disagree with you on this(Not on the seat colour/that wont bother most that much) and we will see what happens.

The fans will be 95% BLUE next season no matter what, not like last time
Second, we will really struggle this time to fill the stadium next season.

You're right Annis. There's a large percentage of fans that were happy to accept red to get their taste of the Premier League (each to their own) but now that we've experienced the Premier League people are starting to fight it more. It's a shame our fans have been so passive about it until now.

Many people were willing to accept the RED to be debt free. By being debt free they thought the club's future would be secured.

This position changed because VT back-tracked on the promise to pay off the debt. By not paying off the debt, VT has allowed resistance to grow.

I know it doesn't make business sense for VT to pay off the debt now, but he used this promise as part of the deal to convince people to accept the RED and so should follow through on his commitment.

The fact he has given OGS funds to invest in players, and expanded the stadium is positive. I believe the resistance to the rebrand should focus purely on the SHIRT and BADGE, having red seats in a stadium is really not such a big deal.

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.

Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.

Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

He is not building the stand Luke the purse strings are held by tan. Steve is overlooking the project and making sure it's delivered on time.
He is acting as an unpaid construction manager
I can assure you that there is more money made out of Cardiff city with the hits on this forum and the coaches organised by it than steve makes out of Cardiff city in a year.
Steve and tan jointly own the houses of sport and steve oversaw the construction of them so it was natural that he looks after the construction of the stand.
He will be doing the same with the training facility if and when it goes ahead.
He answered nukes in another thread Friday night that he does it unpaid

Cantilever stands are all well and good, but because of the weight, the angle of the roof means whoever sits in there is going to be exposed to the weather.

What s the point in paying to sit in a stand, and get soaking bloody wet?

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.

Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

He is not building the stand Luke the purse strings are held by tan. Steve is overlooking the project and making sure it's delivered on time.
He is acting as an unpaid construction manager
I can assure you that there is more money made out of Cardiff city with the hits on this forum and the coaches organised by it than steve makes out of Cardiff city in a year.
Steve and tan jointly own the houses of sport and steve oversaw the construction of them so it was natural that he looks after the construction of the stand.
He will be doing the same with the training facility if and when it goes ahead.
He answered nukes in another thread Friday night that he does it unpaid

It doesn't suite some to see things as they are
which is exactly what this forum wants. More agendas more opinions more hits. Shame is much of it at the cost of our club.

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.

Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

He is not building the stand Luke the purse strings are held by tan. Steve is overlooking the project and making sure it's delivered on time.
He is acting as an unpaid construction manager
I can assure you that there is more money made out of Cardiff city with the hits on this forum and the coaches organised by it than steve makes out of Cardiff city in a year.
Steve and tan jointly own the houses of sport and steve oversaw the construction of them so it was natural that he looks after the construction of the stand.
He will be doing the same with the training facility if and when it goes ahead.
He answered nukes in another thread Friday night that he does it unpaid

It doesn't suite some to see things as they are
which is exactly what this forum wants. More agendas more opinions more hits. Shame is much of it at the cost of our club.

How is it at the cost of our club?

When the annals of Cardiff City are written in future years, Borley will receive well deserved praise for dipping his hands into his pockets when no one else wanted to know.

Unfortunately, all of that tireless and personally benevolent effort will be counterbalanced (as far as I'm concerned) against the way he's behaved on social networking forums and in the media over the past two years.

His 'red or dead' utterings in the early days of the saga and his frequently inflammatory remarks on Twitter have marked him out, along with a couple of high profile fans, as the rebrands chief apologist.

If we are mid table struggling our attendances will be down to 15,000. However it would be around the 19,000 mark if the rebrand was none plus. I believe we will miss out on a few thousand die hards now we have had our premier experience.

I do agree with Swindy that our attendances will be up to the 25,000 again if we are top of the league or there abouts. Plenty of people around Cardiff to achieve that.[/quote]

If there are a few thousand "die hards" we will miss out on(by not attending), then by the very meaning of the term they are not "die hards!
There are however thousands of fans who will continue to support their the team despite the politics at Cardiff City Football Club These are the real die hard fans the ones you mention will not be missed.

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.
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Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

He is not building the stand Luke the purse strings are held by tan. Steve is overlooking the project and making sure it's delivered on time.
He is acting as an unpaid construction manager
I can assure you that there is more money made out of Cardiff city with the hits on this forum and the coaches organised by it than steve makes out of Cardiff city in a year.
Steve and tan jointly own the houses of sport and steve oversaw the construction of them so it was natural that he looks after the construction of the stand.
He will be doing the same with the training facility if and when it goes ahead.
He answered nukes in another thread Friday night that he does it unpaid

It doesn't suite some to see things as they are
which is exactly what this forum wants. More agendas more opinions more hits. Shame is much of it at the cost of our club.

How is it at the cost of our club?

Ask the posters who have dumped the forum
there's enough of them.surprised you've not noticed.

If we are at the top of the league next season no one will give a shit about the colour of the seats ,the stadium will be full ,just like the season we went up

I will! It doesnt bother me the slightest whether we win The Champions League, get relegated to The Conference or do a Pompey, We'll always be BLUE!

If we are at the top of the league next season no one will give a shit about the colour of the seats ,the stadium will be full ,just like the season we went up

I will! It doesnt bother me the slightest whether we win The Champions League, get relegated to The Conference or do a Pompey, We'll always be BLUE!

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Cant agree with you. Borley has made himself look foolish through all of this, just like one or two long standing fans.

If we ever do turn to blue I don't think many will look up at Borley like we use to do.

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Cant agree with you. Borley has made himself look foolish through all of this, just like one or two long standing fans.

If we ever do turn to blue I don't think many will look up at Borley like we use to do.

Doesn't matter if he's made himself look foolish or not, it's still better to have him on board, than another VT puppet!

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Cant agree with you. Borley has made himself look foolish through all of this, just like one or two long standing fans.

If we ever do turn to blue I don't think many will look up at Borley like we use to do.

Doesn't matter if he's made himself look foolish or not, it's still better to have him on board, than another VT puppet!

Aye and that is the sad situation we find ourselves in.

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Cant agree with you. Borley has made himself look foolish through all of this, just like one or two long standing fans.

If we ever do turn to blue I don't think many will look up at Borley like we use to do.

Doesn't matter if he's made himself look foolish or not, it's still better to have him on board, than another VT puppet!

Aye and that is the sad situation we find ourselves in.

So you do agree with me then!

I don't understand why people have a problem with borley making money, why shouldn't he? He has done his bit previously.
If he didn't build the stand someone else would. If fans were that outraged they wouldn't spent money going to games. He shouldn't stop making a living.

Christ enough people are making enough money out the rebrand selling all sorts.

Impossible to fault anything you say in there, in all honesty

Certain individuals on BOTH sides have seized on opportunities to further their own financial agendas and they can only succeed if/where others follow their lead

Simple question: What does anyone GENUINELY believe Steve Borley can do anything other than do his best to 'influence' Vincent Tan's decision-making from within the Boardroom????

My own guess is "very little" other than an opportunity to 'suggest and guide' before Vicent Tan (as any other business owner would) does what he sees fit, whether others agree with it or not

Steve Borley has done miracles for Cardiff city FC over many years and there are IMHO opinion only one or two that can (perhaps) even remotely claim to be "bigger" supporters of Cardiff City FC than him

Get off his back and try supporting the efforts he is making behind the scenes. His success may be 'limited' nowadays, but that won't be for the sake of him trying and I would rather have him in there than not!

Borley seems to be getting a lot of grief on social media due to the seats being red. Not his fault and he's a bluebird at heart so hope the fans lay off him a bit.

Rubbish.Borley is a sellout.Anyone who is a true bluebird would have had the guts to resign.Do i hear the sound of pockets being lined.

If Borley was to resign, VT would just replace him with a puppet!

At least with Borley at the club, we've got somebody inside the club, who gives a shit!

Even though he may well have very limited power inside the boardroom, IMO it's better than having somebody else in the boardroom, with absolutely no power and no affinity for Cardiff City!

Cant agree with you. Borley has made himself look foolish through all of this, just like one or two long standing fans.

If we ever do turn to blue I don't think many will look up at Borley like we use to do.

Doesn't matter if he's made himself look foolish or not, it's still better to have him on board, than another VT puppet!

Aye and that is the sad situation we find ourselves in.

So you do agree with me then!

No........No........sorry can't agree there as its just too sad.

It may well be sad, but you haven't disagreed with me, even though you said you couldn't agree!

It may well be sad, but you haven't disagreed with me, even though you said you couldn't agree!

It may well be sad, but you haven't disagreed with me, even though you said you couldn't agree!

Couldn't agree more!

He added the club had tried to "encompass a link with our supporters" by including the image of an Ayatollah - the club's famous celebration - within the new seating.

Really Steve . Infuriates me when the club spout shit like this . All that 'one club , one community' bollocks on the season tickets as well . f*cking shithouses

He added the club had tried to "encompass a link with our supporters" by including the image of an Ayatollah - the club's famous celebration - within the new seating.

Really Steve . Infuriates me when the club spout shit like this . All that 'one club , one community' bollocks on the season tickets as well . f*cking shithouses

Lets be honest now, the club can't win any more!

If they had put all red seats in, some people would have said, "Why didn't they put white (or blue) seats in, denoting the Ayatollah?"

Borley has for years asked for help from local people with very little coming back. When it goes tits up people will look for him to save the club again no doubt.

One day Tan will be gone.Borley will be left with shit all over him.If he just kept his mouth shut and did'nt make stupid comments maybe people would not be so against him.The Ayatolla on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters.

Borley has for years asked for help from local people with very little coming back. When it goes tits up people will look for him to save the club again no doubt.

One day Tan will be gone.Borley will be left with shit all over him.If he just kept his mouth shut and did'nt make stupid comments maybe people would not be so against him.The Ayatolla on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters.

Can't see how the Ayatollah on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters?

If the seats in the Upper Tier had been blue, I'd suspect that most, if not all of our fans, wouldn't have batted an eyelid!

Borley has for years asked for help from local people with very little coming back. When it goes tits up people will look for him to save the club again no doubt.

One day Tan will be gone.Borley will be left with shit all over him.If he just kept his mouth shut and did'nt make stupid comments maybe people would not be so against him.The Ayatolla on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters.

Can't see how the Ayatollah on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters?

If the seats in the Upper Tier had been blue, I'd suspect that most, if not all of our fans, wouldn't have batted an eyelid!

I think that's obvious.

Borley has for years asked for help from local people with very little coming back. When it goes tits up people will look for him to save the club again no doubt.

One day Tan will be gone.Borley will be left with shit all over him.If he just kept his mouth shut and did'nt make stupid comments maybe people would not be so against him.The Ayatolla on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters.

Can't see how the Ayatollah on the seats is an insult to the vast majority of supporters?

If the seats in the Upper Tier had been blue, I'd suspect that most, if not all of our fans, wouldn't have batted an eyelid!

I think that's obvious.

Can't answer the question then?

Simple question: What does anyone GENUINELY believe Steve Borley can do anything other than do his best to 'influence' Vincent Tan's decision-making from within the Boardroom????

My own guess is "very little" other than an opportunity to 'suggest and guide' before Vicent Tan (as any other business owner would) does what he sees fit, whether others agree with it or not

Steve Borley has done miracles for Cardiff city FC over many years and there are IMHO opinion only one or two that can (perhaps) even remotely claim to be "bigger" supporters of Cardiff City FC than him

Get off his back and try supporting the efforts he is making behind the scenes. His success may be 'limited' nowadays, but that won't be for the sake of him trying and I would rather have him in there than not!

I agree with you that Borley has little power. That currently rests with one man and, of course, the fans if they were to get themselves really well organised... In a previous thread I've also acknowledged the good work that Steve Borley did at the club previously - particularly when no one else was willing to dip their hand in their pocket.

However, to say Borley hasn't covered himself in glory over the past 2 years is a massive understatement. He's created fear, has baited fans and frequently taken ordinary supporters for total mugs. He was a guy that I had a huge amount of respect for. I'm afraid that disappeared a long time ago. Currently, he's part of the problem, not the solution.