Deserve to go home

They're not out yet.

Italy 2-0 Costa Rica
Italy 1-0 Uruguay
England 2-0 Costa Rica

England through in second place on goals for.

Can't see Italy playing a full strength side vs Uruguay if they beat Costa Rica tomorrow. England won't progress.

but they will have to get at least a point through to ensure they get top place

Just not good enough, simple as that. I am not even shocked wasn't expecting them to get out of the group.
They have no outstanding players on this level.

England deserve to go home and they were shocking tonight in my opinion.
At least v Italy they played well.

First time since 1958 England have failed to reach knock out stages of a World Cup and I believe first time ver to lose opening two games?

Just a couple of shocking errors, not the overall performance. They dominated possession with 63% and had 3x as many shots on target. They just were not clinical enough and made a few costly errors.

3x as many shots on target? No chance Uruguay had 6 England had 8

Wrong, England had 12 shots with 6 on target and Uruguay had 8 shots with just 2 on target and they scored with those 2 shots.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25285176

Even the scots are in party mode

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No offence to anyone thinking Italy want England out but England aren't that good and if anything Italy will want Uruguay out of the tournament asap as a South American team building momentum on South American soil.

I still think England could sneak it. Italy will win both of their remaining games in my opinion. They are organised and professional under Prandelli. Uruguay still only just sneaked a winner against a diabolical England who gifted them two goals. Italy will not be that easy. I can see Italy destroying Costa Rica tonight and edging a win over Uruguay. That would likely leave England needing to beat Costa Rica by two goals and I think they could do it if they show the same venture they did against Italy.

Nevertheless, even if England qualify, Colombia will tear them a new one in the 2nd Round just as Germany did in 2010. England fans can blame Hodgson all they want but no matter who manages England the same problem will remain - a lack of real quality. England are a second tier international team at best right now. That is something the FA must address by introducing a limit on the number of foreign players in Premier League matches but they won't do that because the Premier League doesn't want it and has the FA by the balls. The future for English international football is very grim. They won't win a World Cup for the next 100 years unless something drastic changes.

Different expectations with a different squad. New players and youngsters blended in and they looked better as a team and played far more better.

They were the worst team I seen by far in 2010 WC and got through, just didn't take chances.

There was only 2 shots on target from Uruguay so they are really shocking England.

It's the media and a few fans that shout the mouths off for England, feel for the team they don't have any players who play in the top club competition so it's not surprising to see them not do well at the big international event the World Cup.

about right dando tbf i dont even think the media were that bad for over hyping..the event is hyped up.the england team?i dont think the press particulary went into hyperbole about the team if im honest.how can they?they are a bunch of novices who in the main dont play in the top europeon club competition.most of them play for sides that didnt kick a ball in europe last season.

no world class players anymore, they need a great centre half and they havn't got one, gerrard is past his best so they need a world class leader too

England have the makings of a good team. In Wiltshire (is he injured?) and Lallana they have two technically excellent midfielders.

A Midfield 5 of Townsend, Henderson, Lallana, Wiltshite Walcott would be a good one i think. Unfortuntely they have no natural leaders (terry-types) at the back, but more importantly dont really have anyone very good.

Trying to accomodate Rooney doesnt work either.... and WTF is Welbeck still in the team for?

no world class players anymore, they need a great centre half and they havn't got one, gerrard is past his best so they need a world class leader too

the beat centre half and leader is watching it on tv.hung out to dry by english f.a after been found not guilty by a court of law.dont blame him for pulling the plug tbh

England have the makings of a good team. In Wiltshire (is he injured?) and Lallana they have two technically excellent midfielders.

A Midfield 5 of Townsend, Henderson, Lallana, Wiltshite Walcott would be a good one i think. Unfortuntely they have no natural leaders (terry-types) at the back, but more importantly dont really have anyone very good.

Trying to accomodate Rooney doesnt work either.... and WTF is Welbeck still in the team for?

also no natural holding player like batty.who ever plays there now is put there because their legs have gone or because it is deemed they can pass from that postition and start attacks.the fact that it would help if someone can actually shield the defence and brake other teams attacks up seems to have been forgotten

England have the makings of a good team. In Wiltshire (is he injured?) and Lallana they have two technically excellent midfielders.

A Midfield 5 of Townsend, Henderson, Lallana, Wiltshite Walcott would be a good one i think. Unfortuntely they have no natural leaders (terry-types) at the back, but more importantly dont really have anyone very good.

Trying to accomodate Rooney doesnt work either.... and WTF is Welbeck still in the team for?

also no natural holding player like batty.who ever plays there now is put there because their legs have gone or because it is deemed they can pass from that postition and start attacks.the fact that it would help if someone can actually shield the defence and brake other teams attacks up seems to have been forgotten

that seems very modern football to me, and whenever i watch international football im always impressed by the teams who can keep possession (though it doenst always make the biggest specticle sure)

If youre putting three in the middle (Wiltshire, henderson and lallana) its important that all three are combative, and mobile, which i think is fine, but i dont think a stereotypical "def mid" is vital.

England have the makings of a good team. In Wiltshire (is he injured?) and Lallana they have two technically excellent midfielders.

A Midfield 5 of Townsend, Henderson, Lallana, Wiltshite Walcott would be a good one i think. Unfortuntely they have no natural leaders (terry-types) at the back, but more importantly dont really have anyone very good.

Trying to accomodate Rooney doesnt work either.... and WTF is Welbeck still in the team for?

also no natural holding player like batty.who ever plays there now is put there because their legs have gone or because it is deemed they can pass from that postition and start attacks.the fact that it would help if someone can actually shield the defence and brake other teams attacks up seems to have been forgotten

that seems very modern football to me, and whenever i watch international football im always impressed by the teams who can keep possession (though it doenst always make the biggest specticle sure)

If youre putting three in the middle (Wiltshire, henderson and lallana) its important that all three are combative, and mobile, which i think is fine, but i dont think a stereotypical "def mid" is vital.

maybe paul,i think a prob is if there isn,t one of the who will sit if required.we had this with lamps and gerrard.neither fancied it at one time.notice how j.t always looked better for chelsea than england.?always had a sitter in front of him at chelsea.i do agree with you if any one of the three will take a turn then it dont have to be one man in particular.the holding role isnt just defensive though as he can give a 5 yrd pass to start a offensive move off.i always thought carrick should have made that postion his own at england level.plus he could spray passes.at the beginging of the season i thought medel did well for you doing this holding role.prob he had that he had no real outlets

thing about medel though is that to play the role effectively you need to be able to cover ground, even more so in a side that will have less possession in most games, Medel cant do that as he isnt fit enough, this is his major downfall in the premier league and quite shocking when you consider what was paid for him.

thing about medel though is that to play the role effectively you need to be able to cover ground, even more so in a side that will have less possession in most games, Medel cant do that as he isnt fit enough, this is his major downfall in the premier league and quite shocking when you consider what was paid for him.

when he first came he seemed a little chubby but i thought time and settling in would sort that...he seemed to get more unfit as the season went on....

thing about medel though is that to play the role effectively you need to be able to cover ground, even more so in a side that will have less possession in most games, Medel cant do that as he isnt fit enough, this is his major downfall in the premier league and quite shocking when you consider what was paid for him.

when he first came he seemed a little chubby but i thought time and settling in would sort that...he seemed to get more unfit as the season went on....

Chippy lane will do that to you see!

thing about medel though is that to play the role effectively you need to be able to cover ground, even more so in a side that will have less possession in most games, Medel cant do that as he isnt fit enough, this is his major downfall in the premier league and quite shocking when you consider what was paid for him.

when he first came he seemed a little chubby but i thought time and settling in would sort that...he seemed to get more unfit as the season went on....

Chippy lane will do that to you see!

They're not out yet.

Italy 2-0 Costa Rica
Italy 1-0 Uruguay
England 2-0 Costa Rica

England through in second place on goals for.

Liverpool should let Costa Rica thrash them so Costa Rica can go through in goal difference instead of Suarez.

They're not out yet.

Italy 2-0 Costa Rica
Italy 1-0 Uruguay
England 2-0 Costa Rica

England through in second place on goals for.

Liverpool should let Costa Rica thrash them so Costa Rica can go through in goal difference instead of Suarez.

now, that would be cheating, wouldn't it?

Apparently, that's what ALL the other nations usually do when they team up against England (incl UEFA & FIFA) to make sure they never every win a cup again...

Heard that record so often now, claiming that everyone but England cheats... So, letting Costa Rica win wouldn't be cheating...

Same as Sturridge's attempt to dive, last night. THAT is different, as English never dive, cheat or try to get their opponents penalised, therefore it didn't happen...

England have been far better than four years ago, Roy is making progress and maybe we will truly see it in 2016, this was always an experimental World Cup anyway.

Maybe we should come back to the idea of a B team to help but instead of messing up the Football League why not re-introduce an England B side? Appoint a decent coach, pick young and promising players and arrange friendlies against other international sides, gives players a vital taste of international football and can practice new formations and playing styles.

England could have done well if it wasn't for the fact that they have a crap defence, an average midfield, and can't score goals, as well as having the most over rated player in world football. Just to make things even worse, they bring on Lambert to play against a class defence, may as well have brought Fortune-West out of retirement and asked him to score a couple. Too many average players and technically miles behind the top teams. In 2066, they will be celebrating the centenary of their one and only tournament win. Need to bring back the end of season home internationals, at least that would give them a chance of winning something.

England could have done well if it wasn't for the fact that they have a crap defence, an average midfield, and can't score goals, as well as having the most over rated player in world football. Just to make things even worse, they bring on Lambert to play against a class defence, may as well have brought Fortune-West out of retirement and asked him to score a couple. Too many average players and technically miles behind the top teams. In 2066, they will be celebrating the centenary of their one and only tournament win. Need to bring back the end of season home internationals, at least that would give them a chance of winning something.

bit harsh on Lambert. im not his biggest fan but hes scored goals consistantly in the premier league.

apparently, Hodgson said his aim was to take England to the same level as Spain... well...
just hope the Queen will follow suit...

but seriously... without pace, especially up front, they stand no chance in any international tournament...

What are you on about? They have plenty of pace in Sterling, Welbeck and Sturridge. Their main issue is no creativity and no defensive midfielder (how Barry wasn't called up is beyond me). I mean, they played a 2 man midfield consisting of Henderson and Gerrard, did Roy really expect to have any control or stability in the middle with those two?

England could have done well if it wasn't for the fact that they have a crap defence, an average midfield, and can't score goals, as well as having the most over rated player in world football. Just to make things even worse, they bring on Lambert to play against a class defence, may as well have brought Fortune-West out of retirement and asked him to score a couple. Too many average players and technically miles behind the top teams. In 2066, they will be celebrating the centenary of their one and only tournament win. Need to bring back the end of season home internationals, at least that would give them a chance of winning something.

bit harsh on Lambert. im not his biggest fan but hes scored goals consistantly in the premier league.

You are right, I just can't get my head around how he manages it because he looks slow, clumsy and no coordination.I just can't imagine him getting a look in at most of the other teams who are over there, I guess he is a typical England striker but a million miles behind the true class strikers on show there this past week. I think if Suarez was only 1% fit, he'd still be ten times more skillful than Lambert.

apparently, Hodgson said his aim was to take England to the same level as Spain... well...
just hope the Queen will follow suit...

but seriously... without pace, especially up front, they stand no chance in any international tournament...

What are you on about? They have plenty of pace in Sterling, Welbeck and Sturridge. Their main issue is no creativity and no defensive midfielder (how Barry wasn't called up is beyond me). I mean, they played a 2 man midfield consisting of Henderson and Gerrard, did Roy really expect to have any control or stability in the middle with those two?

wonder where their pace was in the games so far... no fast transitions, very slow like football in the 80s and 90s...