' GARY MEDEL TO VALENCIA! '

Constantly posting about some random midfielder for a team you don't support.

You care more about the medel transfer than the majority of cardiff fans do.

Constantly posting about some random midfielder for a team you don't support.

You care more about the medel transfer than the majority of cardiff fans do.

Constantly?

I gave one opinion on each thread, conversation is then attracted to said opinion. Its how a message board works

It also has a little history due to the fact I was saying all along how ridiculous the purchase was and getting slated for it - now it seems people were once again too quick to slate the roathy and need a little coaxing out of the holes they dug.

Ah right. You patronising c**t.

Messi hasnt had any stand out world cups so because he hasnt set the world cup alight is he a bad player then?

Salif Diao had an excellent world cup yet is not a very good player in terms of world football and thus could barely hold down a place at Stoke.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate what you think is garbage, because playing well over the course of 3 weeks does not a world class player make.

Messi has the weight of a nation on his shoulders, expecting him to single handedly win the argies the world cup. Shit comparison.

Anyway, back to you talking garbage. I notice you've put your usual twist on it and changed it from good to world class now. Nice try.

And that makes a difference?

I seem to remember Salif Diao and El Hadji Diouf having good world cups - didnt make them good players though.

Playing well at the highest level in any sport makes you at the very least good at that sport. Do you disagree?

Ah right. You patronising c**t.

Superb contribution.

Messi hasnt had any stand out world cups so because he hasnt set the world cup alight is he a bad player then?

Salif Diao had an excellent world cup yet is not a very good player in terms of world football and thus could barely hold down a place at Stoke.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate what you think is garbage, because playing well over the course of 3 weeks does not a world class player make.

Messi has the weight of a nation on his shoulders, expecting him to single handedly win the argies the world cup. Shit comparison.

Anyway, back to you talking garbage. I notice you've put your usual twist on it and changed it from good to world class now. Nice try.

And that makes a difference?

I seem to remember Salif Diao and El Hadji Diouf having good world cups - didnt make them good players though.

Playing well at the highest level in any sport makes you at the very least good at that sport. Do you disagree?

So its ok when it suits

Messi is one of dozens of world class players who arent in form for the 3 or 4 weeks of the world cup - thats football.

"Good" is a relative term. If we are comparing Medel to park players then he is good.

There is no twist, surely common sense (and not the garbage you are trying to do battle with) tells us we are comparing him with players he is compared to and no less the division he aspires to play in. if we are comparing him to Premier League quality players then he is lacking - regardless if he has a handful of good games in a tournament or not, that was seen over 38 games.

I refer you back to Salif Diao.

Messi hasnt had any stand out world cups so because he hasnt set the world cup alight is he a bad player then?

Salif Diao had an excellent world cup yet is not a very good player in terms of world football and thus could barely hold down a place at Stoke.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate what you think is garbage, because playing well over the course of 3 weeks does not a world class player make.

Messi has the weight of a nation on his shoulders, expecting him to single handedly win the argies the world cup. Shit comparison.

Anyway, back to you talking garbage. I notice you've put your usual twist on it and changed it from good to world class now. Nice try.

And that makes a difference?

I seem to remember Salif Diao and El Hadji Diouf having good world cups - didnt make them good players though.

Playing well at the highest level in any sport makes you at the very least good at that sport. Do you disagree?

So its ok when it suits

Messi is one of dozens of world class players who arent in form for the 3 or 4 weeks of the world cup - thats football.

"Good" is a relative term. If we are comparing Medel to park players then he is good, if we are comparing him to Premier League quality players then he is lacking - regardless if he has a handful of good games in a tournament or not.

I refer you back to Salif Diao.

Not sure what you mean by its ok when it suits????

You saying that if you perform well at the world cup then you must be class, meaning of course if you dont then you are not. You wish to use this theory for some but not for others. The fact is, it is 3-5 weeks worth of the Premier league season and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell you that over such a short period of time it is impossible to say that a player is good or bad (relatively speaking for the pedantic amongst us) based on those short term performances.

Giggs regularly went missing at international level and is one of the greatest players to grace the European game. Peter Crouch has a suprisingly good record at international level but never really showed the same form over the longer Premier League season.

And that makes a difference?

I seem to remember Salif Diao and El Hadji Diouf having good world cups - didnt make them good players though.

To be fair Diouf was signed by Liverpool on the back of that world cup

They both were, but it didn't make the good footballers did it, they just had a decent few games in the world cup. Bebe was signed by Man United on hype alone and he was gash.

We have had a whole Prem season to look at Medel and he has been below average. A few games in a tournament isnt going to change that.

Except he hasn't been below average.

Statistically he was in the bottom 5 (bottom 25%) of the 20 starting defensive midfielders in the Premier League last year.

So yes, yes he was.

You saying that if you perform well at the world cup then you must be class, meaning of course if you dont then you are not. You wish to use this theory for some but not for others. The fact is, it is 3-5 weeks worth of the Premier league season and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell you that over such a short period of time it is impossible to say that a player is good or bad (relatively speaking for the pedantic amongst us) based on those short term performances.

There are always exceptions but the vast majority of the time if you can play well at the highest level there is, then you must be good at what you do.

Good isnt great/world class. Its above average.

no doubt that a good performance form him might help him move on, but i cant see us getting more than 6m.

Chile have some tough matches, with Spain and Holland, and then Brazil (probably, if they get through the group) So good performances from Medel in those matches might certianly help us.

Giggs regularly went missing at international level and is one of the greatest players to grace the European game. Peter Crouch has a suprisingly good record at international level but never really showed the same form over the longer Premier League season.

Peter Crouch is a good player. Ryan Giggs was a world class player.

The thing your missing with this, is one was proud to represent their country, the other saw playing for their country as a burden and was full of regret at choosing the wrong one.

Its not black or white.

My only comments are that Malky paid way over the odds for several players.

You can't blame VT for being pissed off......we all are.

Statistically he was in the bottom 5 (bottom 25%) of the 20 starting defensive midfielders in the Premier League last year.

So yes, yes he was.

What stats were they exactly?

You know as well as I do that stats can be interpreted in many different ways.

Roathy has been banging on how shit Medel is for the whole season. To be fair.. for 11m was a shit buy tbh.

Despite his poor last games of the season, I still think Medel is class, not 11m class though. 6m and above will be a good deal.

I know this completely hypothetical as he's not goin to stay but does anyone think medel would storm the championship if he stayed? Or would he struggle with the pace etc

Statistically he was in the bottom 5 (bottom 25%) of the 20 starting defensive midfielders in the Premier League last year.

So yes, yes he was.

What stats were they exactly?

You know as well as I do that stats can be interpreted in many different ways.

Stats specific to a defensive midfielder. Nothing is interpreted, its simply what Medel did compared to others in the main categories players in his role should be (passing, tackling, interceptions, duels etc etc).

Giggs regularly went missing at international level and is one of the greatest players to grace the European game. Peter Crouch has a suprisingly good record at international level but never really showed the same form over the longer Premier League season.

Peter Crouch is a good player. Ryan Giggs was a world class player.

The thing your missing with this, is one was proud to represent their country, the other saw playing for their country as a burden and was full of regret at choosing the wrong one.

Its not black or white.

As i said, "good" is a relative term. Cornelius is good, however he is not good when we are talking Premier League quality (which we are with Medel), in that case Medel is average. I think you have attributed your own meaning to the word "good" in an attempt to be pedantic.

Nonsense regarding Giggs though, he could never choose England so how was it the wrong one? Its like saying he was dull of regret he never chose Brazil.

Medel seemed affected by the Tan/Malky saga

lost his way completely. Head down and body language changed.

He is a very good player and will shine again somewhere else.

Medel seemed affected by the Tan/Malky saga

lost his way completely. Head down and body language changed.

He is a very good player and will shine again somewhere else.

Nothing to do with any saga! It is, as Roathie suggest, about ability. When left to do a job without a massive defensive support he is and will always be exposed. Fits well in Italy and Spain. But should never have set his foot in Britain! His stats of movement and defensive actions is an embarrassment to British midfield traditions.

Medel seemed affected by the Tan/Malky saga

lost his way completely. Head down and body language changed.

He is a very good player and will shine again somewhere else.

So Malky/Tan saga caused him to completely lose all of his stamina after 50 minutes? Don't be so ridiculous.

Medel seemed affected by the Tan/Malky saga

lost his way completely. Head down and body language changed.

He is a very good player and will shine again somewhere else.

So Malky/Tan saga caused him to completely lose all of his stamina after 50 minutes? Don't be so ridiculous.

Any excuse is given to defend the cult hero. Why was he so affected by it as opposed to someone like Marshall, Caulker or Campbell?

Everyone around him is crap, the tam situation affected him, he has to fly to chile a couple of times a year... Far be it he actually couldn't handle the quality of the Premier League

Medel seemed affected by the Tan/Malky saga

lost his way completely. Head down and body language changed.

He is a very good player and will shine again somewhere else.

So Malky/Tan saga caused him to completely lose all of his stamina after 50 minutes? Don't be so ridiculous.

Any excuse is given to defend the cult hero. Why was he so affected by it as opposed to someone like Marshall, Caulker or Campbell?

Everyone around him is crap, the tam situation affected him, he has to fly to chile a couple of times a year... Far be it he actually couldn't handle the quality of the Premier League

Don't understand the love-in from our fans. Yeah he played well against you which will obviously gain him some fans but had an awful time in the game at the Liberty. I can count on one hand how many good games Medel had with us.

Another one is he is "world-class" because he plays well for Chile, which is great for them but we're not Chile. Never seen anything of him at Sevilla to suggest he was world class before coming here either, so these claims baffle me.

Medel showed on enough occasions what quality he had. MOM on many occasions before Christmas, superb v Man City, outplaying top top players. Excellent against man U, ran the game v the Jacks, almost perfect against Fulham just to name a few.

He was injured before the Hull game and was rushed back as without him we were pathetic. He played the rest of the season injured, in a team which was rapidly losing hope. In the end he had to give in to the injury, but many fans were happy to judge him on that. That's their choice I guess, but for me I saw enough to rate him as a very very good defensive central midfielder.

I'm confident over his career he will be a success, he has been for the vast majority of it.

Medel showed on enough occasions what quality he had. MOM on many occasions before Christmas, superb v Man City, outplaying top top players. Excellent against man U, ran the game v the Jacks, almost perfect against Fulham just to name a few.

He was injured before the Hull game and was rushed back as without him we were pathetic. He played the rest of the season injured, in a team which was rapidly losing hope. In the end he had to give in to the injury, but many fans were happy to judge him on that. That's their choice I guess, but for me I saw enough to rate him as a very very good defensive central midfielder.

I'm confident over his career he will be a success, he has been for the vast majority of it.

You could say that about nearly every premier league central midfielder at some point. Everyone has good games.

The issue is he probably has 1 good game to 4 average and 2 shit ones.

Depending on your cult hero status, the average and shit ones get excused accordingly leaving apparently the only true reflection of his abiliy.

Medel showed on enough occasions what quality he had. MOM on many occasions before Christmas, superb v Man City, outplaying top top players. Excellent against man U, ran the game v the Jacks, almost perfect against Fulham just to name a few.

He was injured before the Hull game and was rushed back as without him we were pathetic. He played the rest of the season injured, in a team which was rapidly losing hope. In the end he had to give in to the injury, but many fans were happy to judge him on that. That's their choice I guess, but for me I saw enough to rate him as a very very good defensive central midfielder.

I'm confident over his career he will be a success, he has been for the vast majority of it.

Exactly, in a relegated side overall he had a decent season specially considering the side he was in. It's like saying Diego Forlan was an "average" player because he didn't play well for Man Utd.

Man United were world class when Forlan signed. Being not good enough for Man United doesnt make you average by default, it just makes you not good enough for Man United.

If Folan signed for Fulham and he was still struggling to shine in that side then there would be an excellent case that he isnt good enough for the Premier League.

He played some good games the jacks home was his best game no doubt on that but with such a lousy defence we never saw the best of him our team was let down by a poor defence as he was good and we had a great keeper but was let down by the great Caulker and co why we made him captain I do not know he was dire