England at the World Cup

I can neither confirm nor deny any aliases I may or may not have possibly had or had not had.

Bet you can't deny that you're a stupid c**t either

In fairness mate the language was stopped for centuries.

A lot of these 'mongs' blame the English for the Welsh not, English only courtrooms, etc right up to Tryweryn, second homes and welching on a welsh language channel.

However a lot of these issues have been made right (as they can be) and i for one certainly dont hate the English. Though my English wife pisses me off sometimes! Personally i think the industrial revolution was the bigges factor.

Its just banter.

Finally a reasonable post. Unlike the drivel I just read from the no doubt cave dwelling, Anti-English moron that is Caeboy. The two world wars song is a football chant ffs.

Welsh not was a large contributor to the decline of Welsh but like you said it was the industial revolution that really killed it. S4C is a waste of tax payers money and has had appalling viewing figures. In our schools Welsh is being pushed to the moon and back yet there hasn't been a noticeable increase in the number of speakers. I have my grievances with the way Wales is being treated by Westminster but one of them is not the language which has had no part of my life. I want it to thrive in the Fro but beyond that is there a point?

appriciate what you're saying, and if wales was just S.E. Wales then i'd probably agree, but north, west and mid wales have many more welsh speakers.

just because it has had no part of YOUR life (or many in our area) that doesnt mean it isn't a big part of many peoples lives in other areas of wales

I dont hate them, im just not bothered about how they do. i will watch their matches same as all the others, but the results wont bother me except Chile and Brazil coz i got some money on them.

That is fine. I'm not asking people to cheer them on. It is just the hatred for the English goes way deeper than sport imo.

Some people have genuine grievances with the English and that is okay, but alot just seem to be based on nothing.

How anyone would want some scummy Italians or the Uruguayans to beat the English is beyond me. Yes England would be unbearable if they got far in it, but the vast majority of people will be okay about it.

When foreigners look at England, a lot of them see the Union Jack. A lot of the English out there have Union jacks flags. For that reason I hope they have a decent tournament but I hope they don't win it. If the English fans can accept us and take flags that represent us, surely we can show them a little respect.

Either way, I don't really mind if you hate them. When we go back to hearing anti-Welsh songs at the CCS, I will probably hate them.

In fairness mate the language was stopped for centuries.

A lot of these 'mongs' blame the English for the Welsh not, English only courtrooms, etc right up to Tryweryn, second homes and welching on a welsh language channel.

However a lot of these issues have been made right (as they can be) and i for one certainly dont hate the English. Though my English wife pisses me off sometimes! Personally i think the industrial revolution was the bigges factor.

Its just banter.

Finally a reasonable post. Unlike the drivel I just read from the no doubt cave dwelling, Anti-English moron that is Caeboy. The two world wars song is a football chant ffs.

Welsh not was a large contributor to the decline of Welsh but like you said it was the industial revolution that really killed it. S4C is a waste of tax payers money and has had appalling viewing figures. In our schools Welsh is being pushed to the moon and back yet there hasn't been a noticeable increase in the number of speakers. I have my grievances with the way Wales is being treated by Westminster but one of them is not the language which has had no part of my life. I want it to thrive in the Fro but beyond that is there a point?

appriciate what you're saying, and if wales was just S.E. Wales then i'd probably agree, but north, west and mid wales have many more welsh speakers.

just because it has had no part of YOUR life (or many in our area) that doesnt mean it isn't a big part of many peoples lives in other areas of wales

I said I wanted it to thrive in those areas mate but I don't have any feelings regarding the language. It is not up to the likes of me and you who live in English speaking Wales to keep the language alive it's up to those who live in Welsh speaking areas. The people speaking Welsh or at least learning Welsh is on the up in Cardiff but declining in West and North Wales as they have ignored those areas.

I dont hate them, im just not bothered about how they do. i will watch their matches same as all the others, but the results wont bother me except Chile and Brazil coz i got some money on them.

That is fine. I'm not asking people to cheer them on. It is just the hatred for the English goes way deeper than sport imo.

Some people have genuine grievances with the English and that is okay, but alot just seem to be based on nothing.

How anyone would want some scummy Italians or the Uruguayans to beat the English is beyond me. Yes England would be unbearable if they got far in it, but the vast majority of people will be okay about it.

When foreigners look at England, a lot of them see the Union Jack. A lot of the English out there have Union jacks flags. For that reason I hope they have a decent tournament but I hope they don't win it. If the English fans can accept us and take flags that represent us, surely we can show them a little respect.

Either way, I don't really mind if you hate them. When we go back to hearing anti-Welsh songs at the CCS, I will probably hate them.

for some people maybe but please stop assuming everyone has the same view, its idiotic and you've said it a few times now

Um okay. If you understood my post you'd realise I don't claim everyone hates engerland.

Read.

Um okay. If you understood my post you'd realise I don't claim everyone hates engerland.

Read.

you didn't read mine either as thats not what i said.

you keep saying "it goes deeper than sport" i know VERY few people to whom that applies (and thats coming from someone who grew up in an irish family) yet you've said it more than once

f*cking read my post. 'Some people have genuine grievances'. SOME.

It is my opinion and there it is.

'You know'. YOU. Not me.

f*cking read my post. 'Some people have genuine grievances'. SOME.

It is my opinion and there it is.

'You know'. YOU. Not me.

then why make a post about a small minority of people? (which it wasnt in the OP)

says it all though if your hiding behind a multi to get your point across

It is just my opinion.

I think that quite alot of people in Wales, that have no interest in football and some that do, have a genuine hatred towards England. That is what I have said previously. Not sure why I need to repeat it, it was quite clear in my first post.

Does 'some' mean a minority? I think there are quite alot of people that fall into this bracket.

I don't play these little gay forum games with 'multis'. If I wanted that I join club penguin.

f*cking read my post. 'Some people have genuine grievances'. SOME.

It is my opinion and there it is.

'You know'. YOU. Not me.

Mario?

It is just my opinion.

I think that quite alot of people in Wales, that have no interest in football and some that do, have a genuine hatred towards England. That is what I have said previously. Not sure why I need to repeat it, it was quite clear in my first post.

Does 'some' mean a minority? I think there are quite alot of people that fall into this bracket.

I don't play these little gay forum games with 'multis'. If I wanted that I join club penguin.

Yet all Italians are 'scummy'? Dear me.

It is just my opinion.

I think that quite alot of people in Wales, that have no interest in football and some that do, have a genuine hatred towards England. That is what I have said previously. Not sure why I need to repeat it, it was quite clear in my first post.

Does 'some' mean a minority? I think there are quite alot of people that fall into this bracket.

I don't play these little gay forum games with 'multis'. If I wanted that I join club penguin.

it is a minority though. and as the Above Poster said, you have this problem with people being anti english but all italians are scummy?

and your "i cannot confirm or deny" comment clearly shows you had a username before this one, or else you would have just said "nope, new to the forum" or something along those lines.

bottom line, you can't seem to decide what your saying about people being anti english, i say dont generalise and you say "im not saying its everyone" but in the next breath its not a minority either.
and the less said about your "if it werent for the english" comment in the OP the better, its clear you've had a mare there and by this forums standards you've actually got off lightly.

I work around the uk on occasions, inspecting or teaching or assessing renewable energy installers and insulation trades.

There is a fair bit of casual racism floating around to us welsh.
From English, Irish and Scottish.
It's really the only racism left to be open about!

There are also good people too.

My view is that we in wales have the tools to out perform the many
Bloodsuckers and cheat societies scattered around England and Scotland.

We just have fukwits in charge here.

I'm pro welsh but if you are good and decent enough, there is no preferential treatment that
I give, whether, welsh, English, Scottish or Irish

I support Cardiff City and wales, no one else.
Win, lose or draw, I have no interest in any other home nation team.

Yma o hyd

'Two world wars and World Cup' is a football chant that exposes the jingoism that accompanies the Ingurland football supporters. They seem to hate every other nation and feel superior to all. I've got no reason to consider Uruguayans or Italian to be scummy as some on here do. I do though dislike this attitude of the England supporters though. I have no reason to support them.

These links probably begin to explain my grievances.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailed.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM (Especially from 26minutes - hoards of England fans and a couple of Brazilian supporters).

I asked why is there hatred towards england, not the italians.

England are part of Britain and I've said why I'll get behind them.

I didn't complain about people hating other countries. England is what I started the thread about.

There is deep ingrained hatred of England in south wales, by some people that base it on nothing. That is all I was getting at.

An observation, not attacking anyone in particular.

'Two world wars and World Cup' is a football chant that exposes the jingoism that accompanies the Ingurland football supporters. They seem to hate every other nation and feel superior to all. I've got no reason to consider Uruguayans or Italian to be scummy as some on here do. I do though dislike this attitude of the England supporters though. I have no reason to support them.

These links probably begin to explain my grievances.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailed.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM (Especially from 26minutes - hoards of England fans and a couple of Brazilian supporters).

How would you like them to behave then? Like Cardiff City supporters? We better stop singing "Always shit on the English side of the bridge" and "England is full of shit" then. Don't bring Mikey Dyes death into this and make a ridiculous point of it, that incident doesn't mean we have to tar the entire English football fanbase (Which includes a lot of our players) as horrible human beings. Do you consider English people as scummy then?

Oh and the site owner has been involved with English football hooliganism in the past perhaps you should inform him of your views.

If people want to hate the English football team and hope they don't go far, then f*cking let them. Its up to them at the end of the day who they choose to cheer and jeer.

I can't fathom why anyone would want England to succeed myself, but each to their own.

Frenchman?? You are the one full of hate! Are homophobic,and racist to boot! And if you understood the union flag(not union jack,unless hanging half mast from a ship!) does not represent wales,so therefore I have no affiliationto it at all,and neither do many others! Why are you so upset,that some fans cannot,or will not support them?you need to get out more,my two nieces and their five kids between them,are all fluent welsh speakers.and live in cardiff.its people like yourself,who bang on probably about our heritage and identity as a football club is being taken from us,but say f**k all about the loss of one of the oldest languages in europe!! Our history and heritage indeed!? Cymru am byth!.

I've noticed quite alot of hatred towards England over the past few days. It has made me create this account.

I'm sure alot of people that have posted hateful comments have perfectly legitimate reasons for hating our cousins across the way. If you would like to reply and tell me what has happened in your life for you to hate England. Gloating about sport aside, as every single country does it. I'm sure alot of it comes down to "Ummmm I dunno, just hate the english dun I?" "My father hated em so I will aswell".

Don't talk to me about tyranny, you love other countries that have carried out ethnic cleansing countless times.

70 years on from D-Day. Thousands of English people died to protect our country and the rest of the allies. Thousands of women and children lost husbands and fathers fighting for the right for you talk absolute shit about their country. Thousands of Welsh people fought with those English people, dying together.

All those moving moments last week?. Forgotten already.

If it wasn't for the English, you'd be speaking f*cking German.

nothing wrong with speaking German...

but seriously: what has football to do with d-day and WWII?

'Two world wars and World Cup' is a football chant that exposes the jingoism that accompanies the Ingurland football supporters. They seem to hate every other nation and feel superior to all. I've got no reason to consider Uruguayans or Italian to be scummy as some on here do. I do though dislike this attitude of the England supporters though. I have no reason to support them.

These links probably begin to explain my grievances.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailed.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM (Especially from 26minutes - hoards of England fans and a couple of Brazilian supporters).

How would you like them to behave then? Like Cardiff City supporters? We better stop singing "Always shit on the English side of the bridge" and "England is full of shit" then. Don't bring Mikey Dyes death into this and make a ridiculous point of it, that incident doesn't mean we have to tar the entire English football fanbase (Which includes a lot of our players) as horrible human beings. Do you consider English people as scummy then?

Oh and the site owner has been involved with English football hooliganism in the past perhaps you should inform him of your views.

How would I like them to behave? Not murdering Wales supporters would be a start! This behaviour is not isolated, it's ingrained in the English football psyche of AN AWFUL LOT of England supporters. Not passion for their own country, but hatred of every other one that doesn't consider them superior.

and I clearly just have told the site owner my views!

f*cking read my post. 'Some people have genuine grievances'. SOME.

It is my opinion and there it is.

'You know'. YOU. Not me.

Mario?

Yup

Although to be fair i prefer him under this guise, seems half sensible.

I dont hate them, im just not bothered about how they do. i will watch their matches same as all the others, but the results wont bother me except Chile and Brazil coz i got some money on them.

Some people have genuine grievances with the English and that is okay, but alot just seem to be based on nothing.

How anyone would want some scummy Italians or the Uruguayans to beat the English is beyond me. Yes England would be unbearable if they got far in it, but the vast majority of people will be okay about it.

When foreigners look at England, a lot of them see the Union Jack. A lot of the English out there have Union jacks flags. For that reason I hope they have a decent tournament but I hope they don't win it. If the English fans can accept us and take flags that represent us, surely we can show them a little respect.

Either way, I don't really mind if you hate them. When we go back to hearing anti-Welsh songs at the CCS, I will probably hate them.

To indicate that not supporting England has racist undertones then make this comment on the Uruguayans and Italians is hilarious!

Wales isn't represented in the Union Jack, only St. George, St. Andrew & St. Patrick . If you will insist on reading the sun newspaper you're going to get a very Anglicised perspective!

the fact that 9 out of every 10 German soldiers were killed by the Russians.

Is this 100% strictly true?

'Two world wars and World Cup' is a football chant that exposes the jingoism that accompanies the Ingurland football supporters. They seem to hate every other nation and feel superior to all. I've got no reason to consider Uruguayans or Italian to be scummy as some on here do. I do though dislike this attitude of the England supporters though. I have no reason to support them.

These links probably begin to explain my grievances.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailed.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tBps0GUITM (Especially from 26minutes - hoards of England fans and a couple of Brazilian supporters).

How would you like them to behave then? Like Cardiff City supporters? We better stop singing "Always shit on the English side of the bridge" and "England is full of shit" then. Don't bring Mikey Dyes death into this and make a ridiculous point of it, that incident doesn't mean we have to tar the entire English football fanbase (Which includes a lot of our players) as horrible human beings. Do you consider English people as scummy then?

Oh and the site owner has been involved with English football hooliganism in the past perhaps you should inform him of your views.

How would I like them to behave? Not murdering Wales supporters would be a start! This behaviour is not isolated, it's ingrained in the English football psyche of AN AWFUL LOT of England supporters. Not passion for their own country, but hatred of every other one that doesn't consider them superior.

and I clearly just have told the site owner my views!

Are you a Cardiff City fan? Your displaying the type of ridiculous logic that sees a lot of English football supporters thinking we are all thugs.

Frenchman?? You are the one full of hate! Are homophobic,and racist to boot! And if you understood the union flag(not union jack,unless hanging half mast from a ship!) does not represent wales,so therefore I have no affiliationto it at all,and neither do many others! Why are you so upset,that some fans cannot,or will not support them?you need to get out more,my two nieces and their five kids between them,are all fluent welsh speakers.and live in cardiff.its people like yourself,who bang on probably about our heritage and identity as a football club is being taken from us,but say f**k all about the loss of one of the oldest languages in europe!! Our history and heritage indeed!? Cymru am byth!.

You come to quite alot of conclusion there about me. I'm all for keeping the Welsh language alive.

All I said was that I will be hope England have a decent tournament and put forward my reasons for why I think there should be more support in south wales for them.

My mother is English and all of her side are. Maybe that is why I have an affiliation towards them. But, even people that have no blood link, they seem to forget that we are a 40 minute drive away from them. We are closer than they think and throughout their lives they will meet a load of nice English people. It isn't just a sport rivalry imo.

Scotland can become independent, I don't think we could though. We would be bankrupt within a year and we are too intertwined with England, in all aspects of our lives.

If you want England to lose, carry on, that is your choice.

Frenchman?? You are the one full of hate! Are homophobic,and racist to boot! And if you understood the union flag(not union jack,unless hanging half mast from a ship!) does not represent wales,so therefore I have no affiliationto it at all,and neither do many others! Why are you so upset,that some fans cannot,or will not support them?you need to get out more,my two nieces and their five kids between them,are all fluent welsh speakers.and live in cardiff.its people like yourself,who bang on probably about our heritage and identity as a football club is being taken from us,but say f**k all about the loss of one of the oldest languages in europe!! Our history and heritage indeed!? Cymru am byth!.

You come to quite alot of conclusion there about me. I'm all for keeping the Welsh language alive.

All I said was that I will be hope England have a decent tournament and put forward my reasons for why I think there should be more support in south wales for them.

My mother is English and all of her side are. Maybe that is why I have an affiliation towards them. But, even people that have no blood link, they seem to forget that we are a 40 minute drive away from them. We are closer than they think and throughout their lives they will meet a load of nice English people. It isn't just a sport rivalry imo.

Scotland can become independent, I don't think we could though. We would be bankrupt within a year and we are too intertwined with England, in all aspects of our lives.

If you want England to lose, carry on, that is your choice.

why does it matter how far the drive is??????

and it seems the only person who thinks this is deeper than sports rivalry is you, so once again...why do you keep saying it?!?!

Because that is what I think.

Bye.

Because that is what I think.

Bye.

it seems the vast majority disagree with you.

i can get to swansea in about half an hour, should we be cheering them on next season as well?

I'm just going to enjoy the tournament agenda free, just like I do every other 4 years.It's a long time to wait to sit there hating something.Come on England, Come on Holland and Come on the Ivory Coast.If Wales ain't there then I'll be supporting and cheering on the next best thing or country that I can relate to just like every other World Cup.It's easy to hate them when we are so shite and non-productive ourselves but it just wreaks of jealousy to me and I can't think of any reason not to support them.If we'd have qualified, can you imagine what we'd be like if the English supported Spain or Italy and not us.They'd rise above it and be cheering us on whoever we played, apart from if we played eachother, of course.

Just enjoy it,it promises to be a great world cup