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Re: MALKY MAKAY FOLLOWERS-ARE YOUR VIEWS OF HIM CHANGING?

Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:07 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
CardiffN wrote:I dont understand how people can rate Malky so high.

Malky: 125 games 54 wins 37 draw 34 loss 43.20 win%

Got us promoted and took us to the League cup final.

Dave Jones: 315 games 132 wins 84 draw 99 loss 41.90 win%

Took us to our highest league position in 39 years (4th) and took us to the FA cup final.

What is the difference in the acheivement of these 2?

Dave Jones never got us promoted to the PL but i rate his 4th place and FA cup final much higher than Malky`s promotion and League cup final due to the fact that Dave had almost no money to spend.

And i rate the FA cup much higher than the League cup. League cup is almost a junior team cup.

Dave Jones built the foundation Malky got success with. It says alot that in a few months most of Malky`s signings are gone with a huge economic loss for the club while Dave`s transfers are still vital parts of the club and most has given us or will give us a huge profit that again benefits the club.

I love my club so much that i dont worship a man just because he got us promoted. I look at what it means to the club and most of the money we earned on promotion he wasted on bad transfers where we wont even get 50% of the money back.
His bad transfers also made us a joke throughout the whole football world. I remember mates laughing at me when they read that we spent 8mill on a player who had scored 18 goals in his WHOLE professional football life in DENMARK. And we were gonna do big things in the PL.

Some of our fans rate Malky highly because he gave them inside info and fist pumps. I dont rate him at all because any clown would got us up with the economical support he was given. Now lets move on, Malky is gone and no other clubs seem to want him so to me that says alot.

He even failed at getting the Celtic job, they appointed Ronny Deila from the Norwgian club Strømsgodset instead.


Jones made us £20m+ from transfers. Even more if we sell Marshall for a decent sum and you class it as his business. He did bring him I'm but still some credit must go to those who worked with Marshall since Jones left. Anyway, Malky spent tens of millions more. In total, the difference is around £65m in terms of their money. Jones had us in profit in terms of transfers and Malky added the very debt many abused Sam for. Its actually hilarious in some ways yet Malky is still idolised by many, seemingly those unable to comprehend balance sheets.

Jones is ten times the manager Malky is and would have took us well over 100 points had he had £12m plus wages to spend in one season alone. He never had that luxury always wheeling and dealing. Jones I believe also would have kept us up as he would have had experience and bought right in the summer.

Sometimes you don't realise what you got until its gone and Jones is one of those things - kept us in with a chance at the top and making profit in transfer market and had us playing great football at times too. He was the Championships Wenger, a businessmen's dream and competing near the top with a chance of finally making it with low risk. Malky was a Championship Mancini, had money to spend at the required level but money wise clueless.

Many fans were jealous of Swansea's promotion and wanted to be up their too. Our desire got the better of us and we became inpatient. We sacked Jones after calling for him to leave and brought in Malky. A lot of us thought the sun shined out of his arse, myself included, but then when the financial stuff comes out transparency is at its fullest and the truth comes.

We threw money at the dream and now we are in much more debt. We should have been patient and took our time with Jones. We were hardly at risk of relegation under him. We were playoff hopefuls and always in with a chance under him.


Jones's record was decent and so was Malkys, both decent mangers. Jones downfall was his personality, with no relationship with the fans, arrogant, even miserable and results wise-inconsistency. Malkys downfall was negative football style and abysmal waste of a transfer budget. Jones positives, decent attractive football, on his day his teams took the opposition to the cleaners. Decent transfer record, spent money wisely. Malkys positives- created teams that were difficult to beat and played the media game very well, knew how to win over the fans and came across as a gentleman. So they both have their plus and minus points. Personally I would want neither manager back :thumbup:

Re: MALKY MAKAY FOLLOWERS-ARE YOUR VIEWS OF HIM CHANGING?

Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:22 pm

I think both managers (MM & DJ) have had their moment of glory,,,just like Aidy Boothroyd, Phil Brown, Owen Coyle, & Ian Holloway have had theirs.

I wish the very best to Malky, I only hope it's not at the expense of my beloved Cardiff City FC!

Re: MALKY MAKAY FOLLOWERS-ARE YOUR VIEWS OF HIM CHANGING?

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:17 pm

Nope.

Until someone proves he did wrong then i will always respect and support him. Even then he will always have a place in my soul. Legend.


Ditto Dave Jones. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: MALKY MAKAY FOLLOWERS-ARE YOUR VIEWS OF HIM CHANGING?

Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:49 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:I was the first poster to rumble the charlatan and I feel vindicated with each job that passes him by :bluescarf:


First and only one until we started struggling in the premier then others joined you.

Males me laugh but these others were not slagging him off when we were top of the championship. There is a word for these sort of supporters and its called being a plastic.


That's a bit silly, people opinion can change over time. Malky was a good championship manager, doesn't mean he is a good premiership manager. I gave him a chance in the premier we deserved but it soon came obvious was out of his depth.

Re: MALKY MAKAY FOLLOWERS-ARE YOUR VIEWS OF HIM CHANGING?

Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:03 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
CF47 BLUEBIRD wrote:I was the first poster to rumble the charlatan and I feel vindicated with each job that passes him by :bluescarf:


First and only one until we started struggling in the premier then others joined you.

Males me laugh but these others were not slagging him off when we were top of the championship. There is a word for these sort of supporters and its called being a plastic.


That's a bit silly, people opinion can change over time. Malky was a good championship manager, doesn't mean he is a good premiership manager. I gave him a chance in the premier we deserved but it soon came obvious was out of his depth.

I sussed the fake bullshiter out early doors 8-)