Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:55 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.
What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.
They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.
Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.
Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.
We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.
I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:59 pm
Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:30 pm
pcs1963 wrote:Your 17 year old son is accused of rapng a 15 year old girl. He denies he ever had sex with her but is found guilty by a jury. Remember the crown uses top barristers and legal teams, your son gets a barrister who is next to useless and an incompetent legal team.
Your son is hanged because he is a paedophile. The girl later admits she lied. No bringing him back then is there.
The vigilantes target a well known paedophile who is staying in the house up the road. Someone sets fire to the house, oh dear the paedophile moved out two weeks ago and the 3 children and mother in the house are killed.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:31 pm
Green Arrow wrote:Roath_Magic_ wrote:Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.
What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.
They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.
Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.
Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.
We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.
I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.
I am not deluded enough to believe everyone can be rehabilitated though. I see it as wasted resources of which two are time and money and both can be used helping those who deserve it in society. There are people in far worse environmental situations who don't resort to these disgusting actions.
The money used to 'rehabilitate' the likes of Venables and so on (we are talking hundreds of thousands when high security is concerned) could have been used to put a number of innocents with hard starts in life through university. You can't do it all, resources aren't infinite and you can't just print more cash.
I'm a Trotskyist on most things and think socialism in a controlled setting can thrive but in modern Britain it just wouldn't work for numerous reasons.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:37 pm
These crimes are a fact of life, as are all crimes. Im not suggesting everybody can be rehabilitated but there are countless cases where rehabilitation works.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:39 pm
Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:34 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Well then we will never agree.
Im glad the majority of the civilised western world shares my views.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:39 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Ridiculous idea. If they are deemed fit enough for release then let them get on with their lives. If they arent then they shouldnt be free.
A huge % of people re-offend. Are we going to have "tax evader", "GBH", "attempted murder", "robbery" etc etc signs on every corner.
An idea that will only generate disorder.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:39 pm
Green Arrow wrote:Roath_Magic_ wrote:Well then we will never agree.
Im glad the majority of the civilised western world shares my views.
So you're glad pedophiles are allowed to stand outside schools freely with new identities? You're glad that pedophiles may happily move in across the street from you?
There is currently roughly a 60% recidivism rate for sexual offenders in the UK. That means a 3/5 chance of reoffence. Sorry but when that's the rate and its so high people deserve to know. Of course that's the reoffense rate and not explicitly saying that's the probability of you or your family becoming a victim but people deserve to know to minimise risk. I, if I were a father, would want to know every risk near my child when they're playing in the street. Traffic levels the lower the better which is why people choose to live in quiet culdesacs to bring up their kids etc. Human risks are no different.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:42 pm
hooligan858 wrote:Has anyone else noticed the sign says 'John Goodman is a convicted sex offender'?
Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:12 pm
powysblue wrote:hooligan858 wrote:Has anyone else noticed the sign says 'John Goodman is a convicted sex offender'?
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Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:21 pm
Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:30 pm
Bluebird_27 wrote:Hmm , I wonder how you liberal lot would react if one of your kids had been abused by one of these beasts , suppose you would invite them around for tea and chat to make sure they were ok !
Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:36 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Bluebird_27 wrote:Hmm , I wonder how you liberal lot would react if one of your kids had been abused by one of these beasts , suppose you would invite them around for tea and chat to make sure they were ok !
As soon as laws and sentences are passed by emotions of victims families then we certainly are not a civilised society any more. If some guy beat up someones kids some would want them hanged - nature of being a protective parent.
However talking emotionally and talking sensibly are two vastly differing and productive things.
Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:33 pm
Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:32 am
Kanester wrote:Roathy every thread releated to Sex offenders or Peado's you seem to almost defend them..... Doesn't look good to be fair.
Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:00 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not
Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:54 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.
What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.
They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.
Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.
Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.
We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.
I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.
Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:20 pm
Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not
Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:14 pm
Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:38 pm
BLUEBIRD57 wrote:Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not
Nice dodge arsehole.
Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:42 pm
Green Arrow wrote:Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not
A lot of the western world also agreed to an invasion of Iraq. Doesn't make it correct. The west and their self righteous attitudes get a lot wrong always thinking they know best.
Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:43 pm
Andy_McKnob wrote:Green arrow you must see the flaw in your reply - this sign was put up in america (a western country) so your answer also defeats your argument (as much as it defeats roath magics anyway)
im afraid you have just done the same as your avitar
Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:45 am
Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:16 am
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Andy_McKnob wrote:Green arrow you must see the flaw in your reply - this sign was put up in america (a western country) so your answer also defeats your argument (as much as it defeats roath magics anyway)
im afraid you have just done the same as your avitar
Doesnt defeat mine, i said "most" of the western world and "99.9%" of the western world respectively.
Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:20 am
Woodville Willie wrote:Wow! So much for a lawful society.
The law punishes lawbreakers. Nobody else has the right to do this.
If you take law into your own hands, you break the law.
The law isn't infallible, which is why our elected government and their opposition, together with the House of Lords, change laws.
We used to hang offenders, behead them and even more barbaric ways of taking a life.
WE MADE MISTAKES. This was one of the reasons for getting rid of the death penalty.
If you put a sign saying "Paedophile lives here", then you are provoking unlawful action by citizens. That is immoral.
The acts of some criminals are so vile that it is hard to understand how anyone could do such things. However, it is not for us to judge those who have already been judged.
If the law is wrong, do something to change it democratically.
I have no sympathy with lawbreakers, whoever they are.
Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:15 pm
Andy_McKnob wrote:Woodville Willie wrote:Wow! So much for a lawful society.
The law punishes lawbreakers. Nobody else has the right to do this.
If you take law into your own hands, you break the law.
The law isn't infallible, which is why our elected government and their opposition, together with the House of Lords, change laws.
We used to hang offenders, behead them and even more barbaric ways of taking a life.
WE MADE MISTAKES. This was one of the reasons for getting rid of the death penalty.
If you put a sign saying "Paedophile lives here", then you are provoking unlawful action by citizens. That is immoral.
The acts of some criminals are so vile that it is hard to understand how anyone could do such things. However, it is not for us to judge those who have already been judged.
If the law is wrong, do something to change it democratically.
I have no sympathy with lawbreakers, whoever they are.
well said woodville