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Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:55 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.

What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.

They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.

Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.


Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.

We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.

I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.


I am not deluded enough to believe everyone can be rehabilitated though. I see it as wasted resources of which two are time and money and both can be used helping those who deserve it in society. There are people in far worse environmental situations who don't resort to these disgusting actions.

The money used to 'rehabilitate' the likes of Venables and so on (we are talking hundreds of thousands when high security is concerned) could have been used to put a number of innocents with hard starts in life through university. You can't do it all, resources aren't infinite and you can't just print more cash.

I'm a Trotskyist on most things and think socialism in a controlled setting can thrive but in modern Britain it just wouldn't work for numerous reasons.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:59 pm

Your 17 year old son is accused of rapng a 15 year old girl. He denies he ever had sex with her but is found guilty by a jury. Remember the crown uses top barristers and legal teams, your son gets a barrister who is next to useless and an incompetent legal team.

Your son is hanged because he is a paedophile. The girl later admits she lied. No bringing him back then is there.

Or

The vigilantes target a well known paedophile who is staying in the house up the road. Someone sets fire to the house, oh dear the paedophile moved out two weeks ago and the 3 children and mother in the house are killed.

Not for me thanks. We don't need vigilantes or the death penalty.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:30 pm

pcs1963 wrote:Your 17 year old son is accused of rapng a 15 year old girl. He denies he ever had sex with her but is found guilty by a jury. Remember the crown uses top barristers and legal teams, your son gets a barrister who is next to useless and an incompetent legal team.

Your son is hanged because he is a paedophile. The girl later admits she lied. No bringing him back then is there.

This isn't the death penalty. Stop scaremongering please using extremities to try and carry your argument.

The vigilantes target a well known paedophile who is staying in the house up the road. Someone sets fire to the house, oh dear the paedophile moved out two weeks ago and the 3 children and mother in the house are killed.

The sign will be removed when the pedophile moves out. You think its going to stay there? You think a family is going to move into that house without the sign moved first?

A simple bit of communication sorts this issue. No sign then assume no pedophile who's been convicted is living there.

As for if the house gets burnt down with the pedo in it. Well they should have thought about that before they went and started breaking laws shouldn't they? Its their own doing. They could have avoided it all by not committing the crime initially. There are loads of pedophiles out there who although have the thoughts and desires don't act and follow through on them because they know in the modern world its criminal and frowned upon.

Any pedo who does act on those desires is willingly breaking the law, making another person (a child) a victim and I quite frankly couldnt care less about them.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:31 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.

What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.

They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.

Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.


Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.

We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.

I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.


I am not deluded enough to believe everyone can be rehabilitated though. I see it as wasted resources of which two are time and money and both can be used helping those who deserve it in society. There are people in far worse environmental situations who don't resort to these disgusting actions.

The money used to 'rehabilitate' the likes of Venables and so on (we are talking hundreds of thousands when high security is concerned) could have been used to put a number of innocents with hard starts in life through university. You can't do it all, resources aren't infinite and you can't just print more cash.

I'm a Trotskyist on most things and think socialism in a controlled setting can thrive but in modern Britain it just wouldn't work for numerous reasons.


You are taking a high profile example and attributing that to the common cause. When in fact it is the media outrage which made the rehabilitation the expense it was to the public. These crimes are a fact of life, as are all crimes. Im not suggesting everybody can be rehabilitated but there are countless cases where rehabilitation works. This method isnt a solution to a problem at all and in fact will breed more cost to the public with the obvious vigilantes we will have to lock up as a result.

The post above is a prime example.

You seem to be posting emotionally rather than sensibly.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:37 pm

These crimes are a fact of life, as are all crimes. Im not suggesting everybody can be rehabilitated but there are countless cases where rehabilitation works.


In the instance of low risk crimes and first time offenders yes. When it comes to serious offenders rehabilitation rarely works. If you do research and look at the stat breakdowns you will see this.

Got nothing against rehabilitating people who've committed less serious crimes. Got everything against serious offenders having valuable resources on them.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:39 pm

Well then we will never agree.

Im glad the majority of the civilised western world shares my views.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:34 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:Well then we will never agree.

Im glad the majority of the civilised western world shares my views.

So you're glad pedophiles are allowed to stand outside schools freely with new identities? You're glad that pedophiles may happily move in across the street from you?

There is currently roughly a 60% recidivism rate for sexual offenders in the UK. That means a 3/5 chance of reoffence. Sorry but when that's the rate and its so high people deserve to know. Of course that's the reoffense rate and not explicitly saying that's the probability of you or your family becoming a victim but people deserve to know to minimise risk. I, if I were a father, would want to know every risk near my child when they're playing in the street. Traffic levels the lower the better which is why people choose to live in quiet culdesacs to bring up their kids etc. Human risks are no different.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:Ridiculous idea. If they are deemed fit enough for release then let them get on with their lives. If they arent then they shouldnt be free.

A huge % of people re-offend. Are we going to have "tax evader", "GBH", "attempted murder", "robbery" etc etc signs on every corner.

An idea that will only generate disorder.


Fu-k me, for once I agree with a Swansea supporter !!! :shock:

This would cause more trouble than it solves for normal folk - better to kill peodoes and pre- planned murderers by lethal injection.

The rest , 3 strikes and your also for the lethal injection.

HARD - yes, FAIR - yes, DETERANT - yes, CHEAPER - yes

Blooobirds Forever !!!! :old: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :thumbup:

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Well then we will never agree.

Im glad the majority of the civilised western world shares my views.

So you're glad pedophiles are allowed to stand outside schools freely with new identities? You're glad that pedophiles may happily move in across the street from you?

There is currently roughly a 60% recidivism rate for sexual offenders in the UK. That means a 3/5 chance of reoffence. Sorry but when that's the rate and its so high people deserve to know. Of course that's the reoffense rate and not explicitly saying that's the probability of you or your family becoming a victim but people deserve to know to minimise risk. I, if I were a father, would want to know every risk near my child when they're playing in the street. Traffic levels the lower the better which is why people choose to live in quiet culdesacs to bring up their kids etc. Human risks are no different.


Murderers upon release get to mingle with everyone, thieves get put into societies, wife beaters get released to re-marry, tax evaders are allowed to get jobs, rapists are allowed to stand outside nightclubs, people who thrust broken bottles into peoples faces (sometimes kids) are allowed to go out at night. None get signs outside their house either.

So its not a case of being happy these criminals can be in society again, its a case of not wanting the alternative as it will almost certainly breed more crime and leave it open to have a community full of signs regarding past crimes that people have already been punished for.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:42 pm

hooligan858 wrote:Has anyone else noticed the sign says 'John Goodman is a convicted sex offender'?


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Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:12 pm

powysblue wrote:
hooligan858 wrote:Has anyone else noticed the sign says 'John Goodman is a convicted sex offender'?


YABA-DABA-DOOOOOOO !!!!!

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Another heartbreak from operation yewtree. Now fuckin fred flinstones in on it. I should of known when he called his kid bambam.


What next - the wombles were a sex ring?

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:21 pm

Hmm , I wonder how you liberal lot would react if one of your kids had been abused by one of these beasts , suppose you would invite them around for tea and chat to make sure they were ok !

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:30 pm

Bluebird_27 wrote:Hmm , I wonder how you liberal lot would react if one of your kids had been abused by one of these beasts , suppose you would invite them around for tea and chat to make sure they were ok !


As soon as laws and sentences are passed by emotions of victims families then we certainly are not a civilised society any more. If some guy beat up someones kids some would want them hanged - nature of being a protective parent.

However talking emotionally and talking sensibly are two vastly differing and productive things.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Bluebird_27 wrote:Hmm , I wonder how you liberal lot would react if one of your kids had been abused by one of these beasts , suppose you would invite them around for tea and chat to make sure they were ok !


As soon as laws and sentences are passed by emotions of victims families then we certainly are not a civilised society any more. If some guy beat up someones kids some would want them hanged - nature of being a protective parent.

However talking emotionally and talking sensibly are two vastly differing and productive things.


Being a patronizing tw*t works for you when your trying to wind people up with your deliberately obtuse football drivel.You cannot mix the rights and wrongs of being a murderer with that of a pedophile.Years ago it was a criminal offence in this country to be openly homosexual and as well as jail you could also be chemically castrated if found guilty,but it still didn't stop gay men being gay men.Eveyone has a sexual preference and most are the same way for most of their life.Its the same for Pedo's.Its unfortunate but when a pedo is released from prison he is more than likely(left to his own devices)to re offend.For that reason they should either be kept in jail or the community that they live in should be aware of his presence.It also occured to me that your not a parent either thankfully.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:33 pm

And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not :thumbright:

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:32 am

Kanester wrote:Roathy every thread releated to Sex offenders or Peado's you seem to almost defend them..... Doesn't look good to be fair.


I dont care how it looks. My stance is the same as 99.9% of the western world governments - and dont sculpt my opinions to fit in on a messageboard. :thumbright:

Im against the death penalty and against continued punishment after release. Talk about murderers and i will say the same, however this board only seems to talk about pedos - in fact you guys sing about them most games too.

No idea why.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:00 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not :thumbright:



Nice dodge arsehole.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:54 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:Why should we spend our time and money rehabilitating nonces? As someone who wants to become a teacher I have no pity for the sick bastards. They make me sick and should make any other person with a moral compass feel the same.

What people don't realise is it is in political interests to let these nonces back on the street. Less people in the prisons means they can slash the budget and spend more money elsewhere or deceiving the public to buy second houses with their money.

They put them back on the streets to bother us and make it our problem and not theirs. Its okay for them in their closed knit utopian communities. They don't live in the real world.

Its going to take a political revolution to sort this mess of a country out and if its not UKIP it will be a party far more extreme doing such through their own measures.


Not an opinion id expect from someone with a desire to teach our youngsters.

We should use resources to rehabilitate them for the same reasons we try to do it with murderers, wife beaters and a whole host of violent offenders and mental health issues. We will always have these criminals, its in human nature unfortunately and not strictly confined to this species either.

I think some need a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia and live their lives by barbaric rule.


You lost some credibility with me there when u said rehabilitating a murderer! That's a fickin joke a murderer should never be allowed to walk the streets EVER again in society but our shithouse government allows that to happen in my opinion a murderer let out that re commits should mean everyone involved in his/her release should also be locked up as punishment for letting them commit the same crime again

Simple answer to murder is do not ever let them out

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:20 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not :thumbright:


A lot of the western world also agreed to an invasion of Iraq. Doesn't make it correct. The west and their self righteous attitudes get a lot wrong always thinking they know best.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:14 pm

Green arrow you must see the flaw in your reply - this sign was put up in america (a western country) so your answer also defeats your argument (as much as it defeats roath magics anyway)

im afraid you have just done the same as your avitar :laughing6:

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:38 pm

BLUEBIRD57 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not :thumbright:



Nice dodge arsehole.


Dodge? Where is the dogde? Its a ridiculous idea with only one small region (florida) in the whole of the western world agreeing with it. You are in the minority here, im echoing the sentiments of almost everyone in civilised countires. :thumbright:

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:42 pm

Green Arrow wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:And like I said, the western world agrees with me, patronising or not :thumbright:


A lot of the western world also agreed to an invasion of Iraq. Doesn't make it correct. The west and their self righteous attitudes get a lot wrong always thinking they know best.


Completely incomparable. Everyone was lied to regarding Iraq and nuclear weapons.

Everybody knows the score here and everybody has or will rubbish such a ridiculous notion. If you think this will catch on then you are barking, if anything i can see it being abolished in Florida before someone else decides to implement it.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:43 pm

Andy_McKnob wrote:Green arrow you must see the flaw in your reply - this sign was put up in america (a western country) so your answer also defeats your argument (as much as it defeats roath magics anyway)

im afraid you have just done the same as your avitar :laughing6:


Doesnt defeat mine, i said "most" of the western world and "99.9%" of the western world respectively.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:45 am

Wow! So much for a lawful society.

The law punishes lawbreakers. Nobody else has the right to do this.

If you take law into your own hands, you break the law.

The law isn't infallible, which is why our elected government and their opposition, together with the House of Lords, change laws.

We used to hang offenders, behead them and even more barbaric ways of taking a life.

WE MADE MISTAKES. This was one of the reasons for getting rid of the death penalty.

If you put a sign saying "Paedophile lives here", then you are provoking unlawful action by citizens. That is immoral.


The acts of some criminals are so vile that it is hard to understand how anyone could do such things. However, it is not for us to judge those who have already been judged.

If the law is wrong, do something to change it democratically.

I have no sympathy with lawbreakers, whoever they are.

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:16 am

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Andy_McKnob wrote:Green arrow you must see the flaw in your reply - this sign was put up in america (a western country) so your answer also defeats your argument (as much as it defeats roath magics anyway)

im afraid you have just done the same as your avitar :laughing6:


Doesnt defeat mine, i said "most" of the western world and "99.9%" of the western world respectively.


i agree
i should have explained better - if it did defeat your argument , then it would also defeat his
for the record i completely agree with what your saying , this is a bleeding stupid idea which will fix nothing and cause more problem's

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:20 am

Woodville Willie wrote:Wow! So much for a lawful society.

The law punishes lawbreakers. Nobody else has the right to do this.

If you take law into your own hands, you break the law.

The law isn't infallible, which is why our elected government and their opposition, together with the House of Lords, change laws.

We used to hang offenders, behead them and even more barbaric ways of taking a life.

WE MADE MISTAKES. This was one of the reasons for getting rid of the death penalty.

If you put a sign saying "Paedophile lives here", then you are provoking unlawful action by citizens. That is immoral.



The acts of some criminals are so vile that it is hard to understand how anyone could do such things. However, it is not for us to judge those who have already been judged.

If the law is wrong, do something to change it democratically.

I have no sympathy with lawbreakers, whoever they are.


well said woodville

Re: THE UK NEEDS THIS - 'sexual predator' signs.

Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:15 pm

:thumbup:
Andy_McKnob wrote:
Woodville Willie wrote:Wow! So much for a lawful society.

The law punishes lawbreakers. Nobody else has the right to do this.

If you take law into your own hands, you break the law.

The law isn't infallible, which is why our elected government and their opposition, together with the House of Lords, change laws.

We used to hang offenders, behead them and even more barbaric ways of taking a life.

WE MADE MISTAKES. This was one of the reasons for getting rid of the death penalty.

If you put a sign saying "Paedophile lives here", then you are provoking unlawful action by citizens. That is immoral.



The acts of some criminals are so vile that it is hard to understand how anyone could do such things. However, it is not for us to judge those who have already been judged.

If the law is wrong, do something to change it democratically.

I have no sympathy with lawbreakers, whoever they are.


well said woodville