Fight for blue.... Team? Club?... Home truths.

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

sorry, i missed this. so are you from swansea then?

even if i'd lived in swansea over half my life i'd never refer to anywhere other than cardiff as my home town, horses for courses i guess

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

ADULT life..being?...6years?..7years?..........its not where you are from though,its who you support,and your very proud to say your a jack........

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

sorry, i missed this. so are you from swansea then?

even if i'd lived in swansea over half my life i'd never refer to anywhere other than cardiff as my home town, horses for courses i guess

No, llandeilo. I own homes and a business in cardiff. Its still my home. Sounds a bit silly saying llandeilo is my home town when i dont own a home there.

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Loads of threads recently on the fight to return to blue. And it normally ends up in lots of people saying "turn up and support the team" as if that will solve everything.

Is it the "team" that you support or the "club"? They are two completely different entities. The answer is probably both, and rightly so, but which one is fundamental and of paramount importance?

It is the CLUB that needs fighting for - not the team. The team are an irrelevance when it comes to the main issue, teams will come and go and change every year as they always have done. The club needs the attention and if that neglects the team then so what? Most of that side probably wont be Cardiff players in 2 years time anyway.

Its the mantra we took on when ousting Petty. I find it funny people saying "will we ramp up the protest ir will it die down?" - the protest die down?! Its for 60 seconds per match for gods sake.

The team took a backseat while we fought for the club. We barely watched the game, 105 minute non stop chanting, even through half time. The club was our sole and only focus. Far too many people wanting to have their cake an eat it. Participate into the token 60 second scarf raising so everyone can take a pretty photo to prove they are doing something.... Then 99% of the day supporting tans creation in the hope his crippling cash loans that are killing the club can take you on yet another unsustainable debt riddled glory season in the prem.

It seems the club is fought for less than 1% of your match day time (barring the odd fleeting chant), the rest is dedicated to the mercenaries on the pitch. I think that is madness.

It was about 12 Very good supporters and a carrier bag containing £22,000 that got rid of Petty. Are you suggesting Tan will accept that?

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

ADULT life..being?...6years?..7years?..........its not where you are from though,its who you support,and your very proud to say your a jack........

From 17 to 26/27.

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

sorry, i missed this. so are you from swansea then?

even if i'd lived in swansea over half my life i'd never refer to anywhere other than cardiff as my home town, horses for courses i guess

No, llandeilo. I own homes and a business in cardiff. Its still my home. Sounds a bit silly saying llandeilo is my home town when i dont own a home there.

I'm sure for a rich person that probably is silly, not a problem most other people have to deal with though

Loads of threads recently on the fight to return to blue. And it normally ends up in lots of people saying "turn up and support the team" as if that will solve everything.

Is it the "team" that you support or the "club"? They are two completely different entities. The answer is probably both, and rightly so, but which one is fundamental and of paramount importance?

It is the CLUB that needs fighting for - not the team. The team are an irrelevance when it comes to the main issue, teams will come and go and change every year as they always have done. The club needs the attention and if that neglects the team then so what? Most of that side probably wont be Cardiff players in 2 years time anyway.

Its the mantra we took on when ousting Petty. I find it funny people saying "will we ramp up the protest ir will it die down?" - the protest die down?! Its for 60 seconds per match for gods sake.

The team took a backseat while we fought for the club. We barely watched the game, 105 minute non stop chanting, even through half time. The club was our sole and only focus. Far too many people wanting to have their cake an eat it. Participate into the token 60 second scarf raising so everyone can take a pretty photo to prove they are doing something.... Then 99% of the day supporting tans creation in the hope his crippling cash loans that are killing the club can take you on yet another unsustainable debt riddled glory season in the prem.

It seems the club is fought for less than 1% of your match day time (barring the odd fleeting chant), the rest is dedicated to the mercenaries on the pitch. I think that is madness.

It was about 12 Very good supporters and a carrier bag containing £22,000 that got rid of Petty. Are you suggesting Tan will accept that?

Not really. Petty was onto a good thing, he bought the club for a quid and all he needed to do was facilitate the liquidation of the club and would profit any excess. He sold for a reason. And that was us as supporters, thats well documented.

Tan, if forced to leave will sell assets and keep income equivalent to what he has put in. In that sense it doesnt make a difference if it was £1 div 3 swansea or a £100m championship cardiff - if the end game is they get their money back then there is no difference at all.

Im not FROM cardiff, just lived there most of my adult life.

But glad you agree.

ADULT life..being?...6years?..7years?..........its not where you are from though,its who you support,and your very proud to say your a jack........

From 17 to 26/27.

i thought you were playing youth football at carmarthen / llanelli and then moved to uni?

i thought you were playing youth football at carmarthen / llanelli and then moved to uni?

Then you thought right.

To compare the situation at Swansea circa 2000/2001 and Cardiff 2012/2014 is wrong because they are completely different scenarios.

Swansea's debt was much lower and fans were easily able to carry the club on without Petty. Cardiff do not have the same option.

If Cardiff's only debt was a million or two to VT then I think we would all feel confident about removing him and going forward.

The only option is to buckle up tight and continue on the rollercoaster ride whilst taking right and proper opportunities to make our feelings known.

i thought you were playing youth football at carmarthen / llanelli and then moved to uni?

Then you thought right.

f**k you dont half squeeze a full life in............

Barely squeezed in my man.

Im sure there are many people that played football before and during university. Hardly shocking lets be fair

Barely squeezed in my man.

Im sure there are many people that played football before and during university. Hardly shocking lets be fair

its the time scale old chap.........A levels generally take two years..........

Barely squeezed in my man.

Im sure there are many people that played football before and during university. Hardly shocking lets be fair

its the time scale old chap.........A levels generally take two years..........

What are you talking about?

I didnt do A levels, however did study in college for 2 years prior to uni though. dont understand what is so confusing to you. Are you suggesting going to uni at 17/18 is something unique?

Barely squeezed in my man.

Im sure there are many people that played football before and during university. Hardly shocking lets be fair

its the time scale old chap.........A levels generally take two years..........

What are you talking about?

I didnt do A levels, however did study in college for 2 years prior to uni though. dont understand what is so confusing to you. Are you suggesting going to uni at 17/18 is something unique?

17 or 18?............you said 17............leave it there...and what i asked was a simple question.......you turned it into some sort of issue/drama........im not shocked you dont have A levels at all..........

I said i was 17 when i moved to cardiff not when i started uni, read it again. There is a reason Llandeilo isnt my hometown and that was the fact we moved to Cardiff due to my Dads work.

I actually had a year out after starting and stopping due to illness, so i didnt start uni until i was actually 19 so neither 17 or 18 - but that isnt what you asked

I dont want to leave it there, when you make yourself look silly i enjoy bringing attention to it

Massive difference, if tan just walks we are potentially in trouble which roathie knows, we need a new owner. If tin pot petty walked nothing changes but for the better like happened. He just hopes tan walks because he's scared of where we can go with his financial muscle and he knows it. He has big plans for us maybe roathie knows them to as he is a closset bluebird. Turn to blue makes him scared.

Massive difference, if tan just walks we are potentially in trouble which roathie knows, we need a new owner. If tin pot petty walked nothing changes but for the better like happened. He just hopes tan walks because he's scared of where we can go with his financial muscle and he knows it. He has big plans for us maybe roathie knows them to as he is a closset bluebird. Turn to blue makes him scared.

dont know where to start with this one.

1) if he leaves how will you be in trouble? Or did you just make that up? You will be debt free essentially.

2) how in gods name do you think you can go somewhere under Tan he has spent £150m and you are still in the championship with all that burden now attempted to be bared by the club.

Im amazed there are people that harbour this opinion, however im pretty sure it isnt your actual opinion.

I said i was 17 when i moved to cardiff not when i started uni, read it again. There is a reason Llandeilo isnt my hometown and that was the fact we moved to Cardiff due to my Dads work.

I actually had a year out after starting and stopping due to illness, so i didnt start uni until i was actually 19 so neither 17 or 18 - but that isnt what you asked

I dont want to leave it there, when you make yourself look silly i enjoy bringing attention to it

your correct, i should feel silly , not thinking you were ill, thats when the meds were prescribed obviously

your correct, i should feel silly , not thinking you were ill, thats when the meds were prescribed obviously

Brilliant comedy. Whether i had glandular fever or not makes no difference. I still was 17 when i moved to Cardiff.

I said i was 17 when i moved to cardiff not when i started uni, read it again. There is a reason Llandeilo isnt my hometown and that was the fact we moved to Cardiff due to my Dads work.

I actually had a year out after starting and stopping due to illness, so i didnt start uni until i was actually 19 so neither 17 or 18 - but that isnt what you asked

I dont want to leave it there, when you make yourself look silly i enjoy bringing attention to it

i didnt ask..............i pointed out that you said 17 and changed it to 18..........now its 19...........im so silly...........can i borrow your dunce hat?

I said i was 17 when i moved to cardiff not when i started uni, read it again. There is a reason Llandeilo isnt my hometown and that was the fact we moved to Cardiff due to my Dads work.

I actually had a year out after starting and stopping due to illness, so i didnt start uni until i was actually 19 so neither 17 or 18 - but that isnt what you asked

I dont want to leave it there, when you make yourself look silly i enjoy bringing attention to it

i didnt ask..............i pointed out that you said 17 and changed it to 18..........now its 19...........im so silly...........can i borrow your dunce hat?

I didnt change anything you pleb

I told you that i moved to cardiff at 17. Fact. (You assumed i meant uni)

I went to uni at 18. Fact.

I had to go back at 19 after a bout of glandular fever. Fact. (One of the reasons i didnt settle at the UWIC side and quit)

Keep digging

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your correct, i should feel silly , not thinking you were ill, thats when the meds were prescribed obviously

Brilliant comedy. Whether i had glandular fever or not makes no difference. I still was 17 when i moved to Cardiff.

anyway..must go,my nephews birthday...nobody is sure how old...we all have Roathitis.........lmao

your correct, i should feel silly , not thinking you were ill, thats when the meds were prescribed obviously

Brilliant comedy. Whether i had glandular fever or not makes no difference. I still was 17 when i moved to Cardiff.

anyway..must go,my nephews birthday...nobody is sure how old...we all have Roathitis.........lmao

apology accepted

your correct, i should feel silly , not thinking you were ill, thats when the meds were prescribed obviously

Brilliant comedy. Whether i had glandular fever or not makes no difference. I still was 17 when i moved to Cardiff.

anyway..must go,my nephews birthday...nobody is sure how old...we all have Roathitis.........lmao

apology accepted

..yes mr roath, your spot on as per norm..............get a job bozzo..lol

Loads of threads recently on the fight to return to blue. And it normally ends up in lots of people saying "turn up and support the team" as if that will solve everything.

Is it the "team" that you support or the "club"? They are two completely different entities. The answer is probably both, and rightly so, but which one is fundamental and of paramount importance?

It is the CLUB that needs fighting for - not the team. The team are an irrelevance when it comes to the main issue, teams will come and go and change every year as they always have done. The club needs the attention and if that neglects the team then so what? Most of that side probably wont be Cardiff players in 2 years time anyway.

Its the mantra we took on when ousting Petty. I find it funny people saying "will we ramp up the protest ir will it die down?" - the protest die down?! Its for 60 seconds per match for gods sake.

The team took a backseat while we fought for the club. We barely watched the game, 105 minute non stop chanting, even through half time. The club was our sole and only focus. Far too many people wanting to have their cake an eat it. Participate into the token 60 second scarf raising so everyone can take a pretty photo to prove they are doing something.... Then 99% of the day supporting tans creation in the hope his crippling cash loans that are killing the club can take you on yet another unsustainable debt riddled glory season in the prem.

It seems the club is fought for less than 1% of your match day time (barring the odd fleeting chant), the rest is dedicated to the mercenaries on the pitch. I think that is madness.

Yes but at the time you were down to about 2,000-3,000 die hards and no one else. We have crowds of circa 25,000 many of whom have no real love and affiliation to the Club as they have only recently (relatively speaking) started to support the team. Our true die hards, the ones who would be absolutely devastated by the loss of our Club, may be fewer than 5,000. These are spread out in a large bowl so their impact is diminished. When the vast majority of a team's support, even in a small crowd, are clearly passionate about their Club, as we used to be during our many, many years in the lower leagues, things seemed to be a lot more feisty. A lot of that has been lost down the years. However, you constantly beat the drum on here insinuating that we are not protesting enough which implies that we do not love our club as much as you jacks love yours. This is absolute rubbish. There are loads of Cardiff fans who care passionately for their Club. We are not inferior in any way to the fans of any other club and we are showing our disapproval in much the same way that fans of other clubs would. One random group of 25,000 people in one part of the country will behave in much the same way as a random group of 25,000 people in another part of the country. It would be daft to claim otherwise. You are seriously underestimating the growing movement to return to blue. But how are you supposed to know when you aren't present at our games?

..yes mr roath, your spot on as per norm..............get a job bozzo..lol

Of course im spot on, its about me you plank

your contributions get worse by the minute. Quit while you are behind pal

Loads of threads recently on the fight to return to blue. And it normally ends up in lots of people saying "turn up and support the team" as if that will solve everything.

Is it the "team" that you support or the "club"? They are two completely different entities. The answer is probably both, and rightly so, but which one is fundamental and of paramount importance?

It is the CLUB that needs fighting for - not the team. The team are an irrelevance when it comes to the main issue, teams will come and go and change every year as they always have done. The club needs the attention and if that neglects the team then so what? Most of that side probably wont be Cardiff players in 2 years time anyway.

Its the mantra we took on when ousting Petty. I find it funny people saying "will we ramp up the protest ir will it die down?" - the protest die down?! Its for 60 seconds per match for gods sake.

The team took a backseat while we fought for the club. We barely watched the game, 105 minute non stop chanting, even through half time. The club was our sole and only focus. Far too many people wanting to have their cake an eat it. Participate into the token 60 second scarf raising so everyone can take a pretty photo to prove they are doing something.... Then 99% of the day supporting tans creation in the hope his crippling cash loans that are killing the club can take you on yet another unsustainable debt riddled glory season in the prem.

It seems the club is fought for less than 1% of your match day time (barring the odd fleeting chant), the rest is dedicated to the mercenaries on the pitch. I think that is madness.

Yes but at the time you were down to about 2,000-3,000 die hards and no one else. We have crowds of circa 25,000 many of whom have no real love and affiliation to the Club as they have only recently (relatively speaking) started to support the team. Our true die hards, the ones who would be absolutely devastated by the loss of our Club, may be fewer than 5,000. These are spread out in a large bowl so their impact is diminished. When the vast majority of a team's support, even in a small crowd, are clearly passionate about their Club, as we used to be during our many, many years in the lower leagues, things seemed to be a lot more feisty. A lot of that has been lost down the years. However, you constantly beat the drum on here insinuating that we are not protesting enough which implies that we do not love our club as much as you jacks love yours. This is absolute rubbish. There are loads of Cardiff fans who care passionately for their Club. We are not inferior in any way to the fans of any other club and we are showing our disapproval in much the same way that fans of other clubs would. One random group of 25,000 people in one part of the country will behave in much the same way as a random group of 25,000 people in another part of the country. It would be daft to claim otherwise. You are seriously underestimating the growing movement to return to blue. But how are you supposed to know when you aren't present at our games?

Agree with some of the first half, disagree with pretty much all the second half.

Fans attitudes aren't the same across the board. Fans attitudes are sculpted by the club they support, im amazed you think that notion is anything but obvious. Lets not forget it was part of this diehard fanbase that changed tans mind to rebrand you in the first place.

You say there is 5,000 diehards but spread out so not a good impact. It makes up 20% of your match day crowd, thats significant. Why arent they doing more? Why cant they meet prior to the match every game to hammer the point home?

Im not under-estimating anything. I haven't claimed to know the numbers of future events, im making the point on the past and present and the fact is pretty much nothing has been done at all, certainly nothing that I would consider a protest with conviction, there is always an air of pussy footing around.

We will march "but no tan out", we will hold scarfs up "but only for 60 seconds". Its all a bit meek.

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

Funny stuff Cardiff fans steam to have memory like a goldfish, and this seems fresh every fortnight