' Vincent Tans continues to make false promises ' Facts

I'm so bored with these threads on VT. Just keep doing what we doing with 19:27 scarf thing that will do the job. Just keep taking his money in the mean time.

Holding a scarf up for 60 seconds will do the job?... really?

The man only understands money and respect. Don't renew or go to the games, chant in your thousands outside the ground regarding tans disrespect and before you know it you will be blue.

Everyone knows this but won't do it as they still want tans loans. As I've I'd before it's all very much a "hold me back, hold me back" situation. There is no balls to it and the protests, if you can call then that, are all.kay apologetic with their lack of conviction

Quote (Roath Magic): "Holding a scarf up for 60 seconds will do the job?... really?"

Fella, I have to say at this point it has worked the best part of 25,000 times better than any other form of protest to date and has clearly got a message to Vincent tan that the fans still consider themselves BLUE[/b]

To say otherwise does you a disservice, as (a) you aren't at the ground/games to see the visual effect it has, and (b) you cannot seriously think that it doesn't affect Vincent Tan behind the scenes when he sees his 'customers' not buying into his product

You keep harping on about 'marches' like a 1970's Union Rep, but the world has moved on and these things have little or no affect; particularly when the subject of their focus is blissfully ignorant to what has occurred

Vincent Tan [b]CANNOT miss the "Sea of Blue" and by default he cannot fail to "get" the message it sends out

Your personal agenda might try to claim otherwise, but the simple FACT is that the "Sea of Blue" is working at least as well (and a whole lot better) than the kind of self-harming and divisive protests YOUR agenda would have us participate in

Ive no agenda what so ever other than to help you guys see what many cant and thus restore your rightful colours.

It has done no more than any other protest, what has it achieved exactly? I am fully aware it looks pretty, however thats all it will do, look pretty. And for a paltry 60 seconds too, a quick trip for a piss and you will miss the whole thing.

I dont think my suggestion is self harming or divisive. If everybody wants blue back then its an obvious choice. If people want blue back but not at the expense of the continued loans then the type of namby pamby protest like the scarf one will be the go to choice.

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Speaks volumes, my friend...speaks volumes!

25,000 times more effective than any march!

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Speaks volumes, my friend...speaks volumes!

25,000 times more effective than any march!

I can assure you it's not. It's powder puff

Vincent tan is very clever and manipulating the fans, and using diversion tactics.

Turning us to red had everyone arguing over blue and rest but always missing the point about debt to equity.

Now we are relegated people are worried about the debt so for the first time Vincent Tan brings up the colour change and slips in he'll turn £50 million of debt to equity

He wants a straight return to the premier league, with parachute and money payments and a straight return to the premier and a sale by Vincent will result in a profit for him but having to owe him all the debt in the payment.

He's a business man not a football man, he only sees profit and will do anything to get his money back whilst trying to keep the majority fans at arms length arguing amongst each other