" IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Google "Settlement Agreement" Carl and then put this Dail Mail claim in the bullshit box.

I'm not saying MM was perfect but the club has negotiated a "Settlement Agreement" with both MM and IM and as the terms will be covered by a confidentiality clause we will never get to know the full details.

But I would bet my bottom dollar that both MM & IM have, as a minimum, been paid thier contractual notice periods plus an "Ex Gratia" payment to make this stuff go away.

Ive been involved in numerous settlement agreement through my work and they can contain anything as long as both sides agree. Money isnt an issue.

Are you saying that money doesn't form part of the agreement.

Im saying it doesnt have to. Settlement agreements are legally binding but entered voluntarily. If either side doesnt agree with any term proposed by the other then the SA doesnt go ahead and normal ET procedures take place.

It seems as Tan was right and I was wrong, it is quite shocking...

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

Google "Settlement Agreement" Carl and then put this Dail Mail claim in the bullshit box.

I'm not saying MM was perfect but the club has negotiated a "Settlement Agreement" with both MM and IM and as the terms will be covered by a confidentiality clause we will never get to know the full details.

But I would bet my bottom dollar that both MM & IM have, as a minimum, been paid thier contractual notice periods plus an "Ex Gratia" payment to make this stuff go away.

Ive been involved in numerous settlement agreement through my work and they can contain anything as long as both sides agree. Money isnt an issue.

Are you saying that money doesn't form part of the agreement.

Im saying it doesnt have to. Settlement agreements are legally binding but entered voluntarily. If either side doesnt agree with any term proposed by the other then the SA doesnt go ahead and normal ET procedures take place.

That's it exactly Craig there has to be agreement by both parties for an agreement to be reached and therefore it follows that both parties accept the terms of the agreement which when signed by ALL parties becomes legally binding.

It's all about opinions and mine is that MM has had to give something in order to get a financial settlement and that has been to include in his statement thanks to VT for his financial support in getting to the PL. No surprise there as we ALL know without that money we would not have got promoted but in terms of any apology ALL he has said is that "If" he caused any offence during time at the club. That is a very very long way from saying that he did cause offence, a very long way indeed.

Ask yourself why the club would have to agree to MM deciding to withdraw all his claims against the club. Surely if he decided to do this then the club would have just said good we can move on now. But they haven't and the club hasn't said that it hasn't reached agreement with MM to settle the dispute.

Trust me MM has received a payment and that may only be for his notice period and that should not be confused with compensation. They are two very seperate things.

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

I am shocked that people who have backed Malky now seem to desert him! No evidence on him doing anything wrong, other than move on with his life. Shame on you! And just show how you can't trust anyone

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

Sackful of cash on the one hand, continuing legal proceedings funded out of my own pocket against an uber-wealthy madman on the other? Hmmm. Tough choice...

I am shocked that people who have backed Malky now seem to desert him! No evidence on him doing anything wrong, other than move on with his life. Shame on you! And just show how you can't trust anyone

I'm not deserting him, just for the first time worried by the way this court has ended or shall we say settled.
But I still believe if there was major evidence Tan would have Malky arrested.

I am shocked that people who have backed Malky now seem to desert him! No evidence on him doing anything wrong, other than move on with his life. Shame on you! And just show how you can't trust anyone

I'm not deserting him, just for the first time worried by the way this court has ended or shall we say settled.
But I still believe if there was major evidence Tan would have Malky arrested.

I 100% believe Annis that Tan's lawyers were in dialogue with Malky's, as is often the case, and they passed information to his lawyers which was pretty damning. At this point Malky had nothing to gain from the case so decided to settle for zero payment and to just apologise and move on. I think at this point Tan was advised by his lawyers to settle with that outcome and so he did.

Of course this is speculation but it is what I believe.

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

Sackful of cash on the one hand, continuing legal proceedings funded out of my own pocket against an uber-wealthy madman on the other? Hmmm. Tough choice...

Depends how much self respect you have for yourself and how much you know your right. Not usual practice for a sacked manager to behave. Plus the Mail who have been spot on all season have said he had no pay out.

maybe it adds up to you that Malky is but it doesnt to me.

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

I can understand where your coming from but he was probably entitled to a lot of money just for his notice period and who should judge him for doing what he needed to do to get it. It's called the quid pro quo.

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

Sackful of cash on the one hand, continuing legal proceedings funded out of my own pocket against an uber-wealthy madman on the other? Hmmm. Tough choice...

Depends how much self respect you have for yourself and how much you know your right. Not usual practice for a sacked manager to behave. Plus the Mail who have been spot on all season have said he had no pay out.

maybe it adds up to you that Malky is but it doesnt to me.

So there's a confidentiality agreement, but the Mail says there's been no payout? Who are you alleging broke it?

Only if there had been a payout, and the Mail reported there wasn't (and who knows who would possibly have told them that), Malky couldn't comment, because of the confidentiality agreement.

So you're left with who you trust. Malky, or an absolute lunatic.

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

I'm not saying Malky did anything illegal but come off it if the club had Malky arrested we'd all be decrying the club for yet another diabolical decision and making us look a laughing stock again.

Why would any club want that sort of publicity or a court case hanging over them when all they should be interested in is a game of football.

Whatever deal was sorted it was the best for both sides.

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

I'm not saying Malky did anything illegal but come off it if the club had Malky arrested we'd all be decrying the club for yet another diabolical decision and making us look a laughing stock again.

Why would any club want that sort of publicity or a court case hanging over them when all they should be interested in is a game of football.

Whatever deal was sorted it was the best for both sides.

Certainly not for Malcolm it seems

Milky mackay

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

How can you speak for Tan, how do you know what Tan would do if Malky was found guilty? If this had been the other way round The amount of abuse Tan would be getting from you guys would be unbelievable.

Everyone missing the point that Moody settled his case today with same apology, iffy at best this

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.

Stinks of a hefty payout more like.

That says just as much about Malky if he is willing to Kiss Tans ass just for a bit more money. Either way its not a good outcome for him.

Sackful of cash on the one hand, continuing legal proceedings funded out of my own pocket against an uber-wealthy madman on the other? Hmmm. Tough choice...

Depends how much self respect you have for yourself and how much you know your right. Not usual practice for a sacked manager to behave. Plus the Mail who have been spot on all season have said he had no pay out.

maybe it adds up to you that Malky is but it doesnt to me.

So there's a confidentiality agreement, but the Mail says there's been no payout? Who are you alleging broke it?

Only if there had been a payout, and the Mail reported there wasn't (and who knows who would possibly have told them that), Malky couldn't comment, because of the confidentiality agreement.

So you're left with who you trust. Malky, or an absolute lunatic.

WOW.........cant see the wood for the trees

If Malky Mackay is guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Cardiff City Football Club then I have lost a huge amount of respect for Malky Mackay.

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The Daily Mail have been virtually spot on with their articles concerning Cardiff City this season and if it is true what they are reporting that Malky Mackay did not receive any pay off in the settlement then along with the apology he issued it doesn't paint Malky in a very good light.

The Daily Mail article : Friday 9th May 2014.

Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.

Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.

Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.

Mackay’s statement, released through Slater & Gordon Lawyers, reads: 'Today I have reached a settlement agreement dropping all claims I have made against Cardiff City Football Club. I did not want to be in litigation and believe that it is in the best interests of all parties to have a clean break and move on.

Mackay is understood to be one of the names being considered by Norwich, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion should they change managers soon.

The statement continued: 'I have enjoyed my time at Cardiff City and I am most grateful to the board of Cardiff City and Vincent Tan for giving me the opportunity. The club's owner Mr Vincent Tan invested heavily in the club and supported our decisions in our push for promotion to the Premier League. Without him this would not have been possible.

'My thanks to all those at the club and the fans who have supported me during my time in Wales. If I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation.

'I wish everyone associated with Cardiff City FC all the best for the future and thank them for their support.

'I will not be commenting further on this matter.'

we still dont know for sure............but anyone that concludes there is something majorly wrong about this..and Tan had good reason to sack him....should also conclude Malky and Malky alone is therefore responsible for relegation.......

If Malky Mackay is guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Cardiff City Football Club then I have lost a huge amount of respect for Malky Mackay.

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The Daily Mail have been virtually spot on with their articles concerning Cardiff City this season and if it is true what they are reporting that Malky Mackay did not receive any pay off in the settlement then along with the apology he issued it doesn't paint Malky in a very good light.

The Daily Mail article : Friday 9th May 2014.

Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.

Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.

Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.

Mackay’s statement, released through Slater & Gordon Lawyers, reads: 'Today I have reached a settlement agreement dropping all claims I have made against Cardiff City Football Club. I did not want to be in litigation and believe that it is in the best interests of all parties to have a clean break and move on.

Mackay is understood to be one of the names being considered by Norwich, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion should they change managers soon.

The statement continued: 'I have enjoyed my time at Cardiff City and I am most grateful to the board of Cardiff City and Vincent Tan for giving me the opportunity. The club's owner Mr Vincent Tan invested heavily in the club and supported our decisions in our push for promotion to the Premier League. Without him this would not have been possible.

'My thanks to all those at the club and the fans who have supported me during my time in Wales. If I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation.

'I wish everyone associated with Cardiff City FC all the best for the future and thank them for their support.

'I will not be commenting further on this matter.'

we still dont know for sure............but anyone that concludes there is something majorly wrong about this..and Tan had good reason to sack him....should also conclude Malky and Malky alone is therefore responsible for relegation.......

Pff! And Ole took the full responsibility!

Two issues for me

1- Dodgy doesn't have to illegal- Contractually entitled "commissions" signed off by a poor CFO may not be illegal but if some of the cuts talked about loosely on here were true on a player who was so lamentable then it would destroy all the good will Malky has acquired over the last three years both with our fans and the media (who he played both to a tee)

2- He could have walked away and said he was fed up with the crap and for the benefit of the fans who I love, i wanted to end this saga in such a bad season for them. This would have gave him even more kudos with the fans above.

IMO - He has had some form of pay off

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

How can you speak for Tan, how do you know what Tan would do if Malky was found guilty? If this had been the other way round The amount of abuse Tan would be getting from you guys would be unbelievable.

Its about opinions and beliefs, thats what this forums about us fans debating

Oh by the way, u have enough accounts on here

Malky is clearing the way to go back to the club he loves ........Norwich City

Two issues for me

1- Dodgy doesn't have to illegal- Contractually entitled "commissions" signed off by a poor CFO may not be illegal but if some of the cuts talked about loosely on here were true on a player who was so lamentable then it would destroy all the good will Malky has acquired over the last three years both with our fans and the media (who he played both to a tee)

2- He could have walked away and said he was fed up with the crap and for the benefit of the fans who I love, i wanted to end this saga in such a bad season for them. This would have gave him even more kudos with the fans above.

IMO - He has had some form of pay off

maybe..time will tell......but as its being reported,which is all we have to go on........its shite
IMO.???????..based on what exactly....bare in mind he probably had a top legal team recomended by the LMA used to doing these settlements........an apology..in fact two because Moody did likewise.......new to me,have you seen this before?

Let me get this right.

Both Malky and Moody settle out of court with a grovelling statement.
Malky out of work, Moody in work.

Is it the power of money? Or
Is it the potential of complete exposure?

With all the conjecture around cornelius, Brayford and
Cuts in deals etc my blind admiration for Malky went some time ago (that shite football on view a major issue but MM I respected as a man).

I still have much time for Malky getting us to our only stint in premier league and for that he will be remembered fondly.
Tan will never gain respect from fans as long as we are red -even if he jumped in front of a bus trying to save local orphans.

Will the truth come out?

Or are we making up our own truths regardless of fact, because of our positions on Tan, Malky and Moody?

I smell a rat!

Two issues for me

1- Dodgy doesn't have to illegal- Contractually entitled "commissions" signed off by a poor CFO may not be illegal but if some of the cuts talked about loosely on here were true on a player who was so lamentable then it would destroy all the good will Malky has acquired over the last three years both with our fans and the media (who he played both to a tee)

2- He could have walked away and said he was fed up with the crap and for the benefit of the fans who I love, i wanted to end this saga in such a bad season for them. This would have gave him even more kudos with the fans above.

IMO - He has had some form of pay off

maybe..time will tell......but as its being reported,which is all we have to go on........its shite
IMO.???????..based on what exactly....bare in mind he probably had a top legal team recomended by the LMA used to doing these settlements........an apology..in fact two because Moody did likewise.......new to me,have you seen this before?

Based on the facts that malky was taking Tan to court..... It was Malky who was the plaintiff, he could have stopped it anytime, without an apology. It is the apology which is damming.....and bloody confusing.

I also have never seen this before, but we are Cardiff City Fruit Case !!!!!

Hopefully this is stage 1 of a multi staged plan to sort out our mess

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

Tan could of had him arrested but it's not the Maylasian way, if Malky was on the take under his nose, it wouldn't be good business sense for it to go public.

Malky is what? 41?

If there was any suggestion of some wrong-doing from him then any of it becoming public could well have ruined the rest of his career in football.

At least this way he gets to jump into another job quickly,


Whatever has happened, it really doesn't look good for Malky.


Annis and Carl.... I know you are both big fans of Malky, but if either of you get wind of what really has happened here I hope you will be sharing it with the rest of us.

No matter how much its twisted by some posters the bottom line is malky is the one whose apologised to mr Tan. if Tan had apologised to malky there would be no end of threads saying tan lost was in the wrong because he would not have apologised otherwise...

Spot on Jinx

Todays statement raises more questions than answers thats for sure