Liberty Stadium expansion

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

So the first expansion will be 5k, just like ours then?

Guess that makes Swansea just as sensible as a Cardiff....

Except you will be playing in a lower division.

When will the expansion be finished? In time for the start of the Championship season? Or will it be like Wolves and ready for when you go down to League One? It is quite possible that you'll be going down again next season, after all.

It will be finished for the UEFA super cup in August. Fact

Great stuff. So as one of you lot initially said, he would find it funny if we were relegated with a 33k stadium. Looks like it's happening to you. Now who's stupid?

Um.. We were getting 20 plus in the championship where as you were getting an average of 13,000 in your promotion season. I think that's the fact he's trying to say.

Well situations change. Hopefully we will have made some real Swans fans over the past few years and expanded our fan base. Hence the need for an expansion to our ground. We are filling it every week so we must expand if we want to grow as a club. It's kind of ironic that he's making fun of SCFC for wanting to expand and claiming it to be hilarious if we get relegated with a 33k stadium when that's exactly what is happening to you. If we get relegated, I hope that by that point, we will have a larger stadium with a larger potential fan base. I'm not saying we'll fill the ground if we are in the Championship, you won't either as you don't now, but the aim will be to have a larger attendance than we had the last time we were in that league.

All ifs and maybes. We aren't far off capacity now. You've got to take into account what's currently going on at out club. It's difficult to describe unless you're there. I know a lot of life long fans who will not go anymore due to
The rebranding. It's a shambles and possibly one of my worse times supporting Cardiff as i can't connect with what's gone on over the last 2 years.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

So the first expansion will be 5k, just like ours then?

Guess that makes Swansea just as sensible as a Cardiff....

Except you will be playing in a lower division.

When will the expansion be finished? In time for the start of the Championship season? Or will it be like Wolves and ready for when you go down to League One? It is quite possible that you'll be going down again next season, after all.

It will be finished for the UEFA super cup in August. Fact

Great stuff. So as one of you lot initially said, he would find it funny if we were relegated with a 33k stadium. Looks like it's happening to you. Now who's stupid?

Um.. We were getting 20 plus in the championship where as you were getting an average of 13,000 in your promotion season. I think that's the fact he's trying to say.

Well situations change. Hopefully we will have made some real Swans fans over the past few years and expanded our fan base. Hence the need for an expansion to our ground. We are filling it every week so we must expand if we want to grow as a club. It's kind of ironic that he's making fun of SCFC for wanting to expand and claiming it to be hilarious if we get relegated with a 33k stadium when that's exactly what is happening to you. If we get relegated, I hope that by that point, we will have a larger stadium with a larger potential fan base. I'm not saying we'll fill the ground if we are in the Championship, you won't either as you don't now, but the aim will be to have a larger attendance than we had the last time we were in that league.

All ifs and maybes. We aren't far off capacity now. You've got to take into account what's currently going on at out club. It's difficult to describe unless you're there. I know a lot of life long fans who will not go anymore due to
The rebranding. It's a shambles and possibly one of my worse times supporting Cardiff as i can't connect with what's gone on over the last 2 years.

Yep and I do understand that. I think a lot of fans won't bother next season though, regardless of kit colour. We both know the types. All clubs have them.

We need the expansion to grow as a club. I can't stress that enough.

A separate argument here but as you brought it up, is the expansion important to your club?

EDIT - around the If's and But's, the amount of kids wearing Swans shirts in West Wales is now at it's highest. It's proof that the Premier League is swaying youngsters to support their local team instead of the top clubs.

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33,000

It will be hilarious when they eventually go down and go back to 14,000 crowds, if they're stupid enough to extend to that capacity.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

Is this the same club that went into administration twice? Hypocrites.

Sorry, what year are we in again?

Before all the lies come out, yet again, have a read below:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137237&start=30

A CVA is pretty much an administration, transfer embargo, payments to companies owed. If anything I'd say it's worse as it's all on the clubs terms, not the businesses who are owed money. It's irrelevant what year it is, you claim to be this sensible well run club, but that wasn't always the case. You've benefited massively from old rules of no points deductions. This day and age, it could have been a different story.

I didn't say you were incorrect, did I? As you point out in the part in bold, I was correct in what I was saying. We weren't always well run, we are now. End of discussion really.

You are now, but it's a bit hypocritical of yourselves don't you think if you've been in far worse positions than us to tell us how to run a football club. You benefited from old league rules in administration. That's all I'm saying.

What you were saying was nothing to do with the topic of discussion. We weren't well run in 2002. It's now 2014. I implied that we are a sensibly run club, which we are. You were just looking for an argument which wasn't there.

Sensible ???

Appointing Gary Monk, and then extending the stadium

I would have though appoint him and reduce the stadium ready, perhaps demolish two stands

33,000

It will be hilarious when they eventually go down and go back to 14,000 crowds, if they're stupid enough to extend to that capacity.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

Is this the same club that went into administration twice? Hypocrites.

Sorry, what year are we in again?

Before all the lies come out, yet again, have a read below:

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewt ... 7&start=30

A CVA is pretty much an administration, transfer embargo, payments to companies owed. If anything I'd say it's worse as it's all on the clubs terms, not the businesses who are owed money. It's irrelevant what year it is, you claim to be this sensible well run club, but that wasn't always the case. You've benefited massively from old rules of no points deductions. This day and age, it could have been a different story.

I didn't say you were incorrect, did I? As you point out in the part in bold, I was correct in what I was saying. We weren't always well run, we are now. End of discussion really.

You are now, but it's a bit hypocritical of yourselves don't you think if you've been in far worse positions than us to tell us how to run a football club. You benefited from old league rules in administration. That's all I'm saying.

I would have thought that being in the position we were in and coming out the other side as hugely successfully as we have would put us in exactly the right position to comment.

If you were stuck down a hole and had no idea how to get out wouldn't you want advice from someone who has experience of getting out of the hole?

And the change in administration rules arguably meant that we were more harshly treated than those today as nowadays the taxman does not have to be paid back in full, whereas we had to pay him every penny.

Yes but how many years did that take? It was done on terms that were fair for the club which is fair enough. It winds me up however when Cardiff's finances are mocked yet when you were in dire trouble bucket collections were done on quite a few occasions to help you out. Not saying that you wouldn't do that if it ever happened to us, but this well run club malarkey stems from benefits also in no points deductions, something that would have made a big difference in this day and age if it happened.

There were no bucket collections at Cardiff for us during or as a result of the Petty era, lets put that to bed right now. In fact, your stadium announcer mocked us when we played the FAW Premier Cup final at Ninian Park.

As for points deductions, it would have made no difference to our our league status as we accumulated enough points to have been clear of relegation even with a points deduction.

You are 100% sure of that are you? I can remember putting money in for one game for you. I think you're wrong there.Is this the same FAW cup game that we paid for all your buses? I can't remember the piss being taken but I won't dispute what you remember as I don't remember myself.

Yes that season you may have accumulated points, but you never know how that could have played out on the field knowing that there was extra pressure for points knowing that 10 possibly 15 points had been deducted.

You are 100% sure of that are you? I can remember putting money in for one game for you. I think you're wrong there.Is this the same FAW cup game that we paid for all your buses? I can't remember the piss being taken but I won't dispute what you remember as I don't remember myself.

Yes that season you may have accumulated points, but you never know how that could have played out on the field knowing that there was extra pressure for points knowing that 10 possibly 15 points had been deducted.

There was a bucket collection in 1985. It would be interesting to knock how much that actually raised mind you

Indeed but we can only go by the fact and the facts are that enough points were accumulated, anything else is just supposition.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

So the first expansion will be 5k, just like ours then?

Guess that makes Swansea just as sensible as a Cardiff....

Except you will be playing in a lower division.

When will the expansion be finished? In time for the start of the Championship season? Or will it be like Wolves and ready for when you go down to League One? It is quite possible that you'll be going down again next season, after all.

It will be finished for the UEFA super cup in August. Fact

Great stuff. So as one of you lot initially said, he would find it funny if we were relegated with a 33k stadium. Looks like it's happening to you. Now who's stupid?

Um.. We were getting 20 plus in the championship where as you were getting an average of 13,000 in your promotion season. I think that's the fact he's trying to say.

Well situations change. Hopefully we will have made some real Swans fans over the past few years and expanded our fan base. Hence the need for an expansion to our ground. We are filling it every week so we must expand if we want to grow as a club. It's kind of ironic that he's making fun of SCFC for wanting to expand and claiming it to be hilarious if we get relegated with a 33k stadium when that's exactly what is happening to you. If we get relegated, I hope that by that point, we will have a larger stadium with a larger potential fan base. I'm not saying we'll fill the ground if we are in the Championship, you won't either as you don't now, but the aim will be to have a larger attendance than we had the last time we were in that league.

All ifs and maybes. We aren't far off capacity now. You've got to take into account what's currently going on at out club. It's difficult to describe unless you're there. I know a lot of life long fans who will not go anymore due to
The rebranding. It's a shambles and possibly one of my worse times supporting Cardiff as i can't connect with what's gone on over the last 2 years.

Yep and I do understand that. I think a lot of fans won't bother next season though, regardless of kit colour. We both know the types. All clubs have them.

We need the expansion to grow as a club. I can't stress that enough.

A separate argument here but as you brought it up, is the expansion important to your club?

I'd say it is as we have the potential fan-base there. I'd rather it be there than not as you never know 5 years down the line what could be. Yes there are the fans who only go because it's premier league, but there's also a big divide down there in fans who want blue/anti tan/malky etc. It's not a nice atmosphere.

33,000

It will be hilarious when they eventually go down and go back to 14,000 crowds, if they're stupid enough to extend to that capacity.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

Is this the same club that went into administration twice? Hypocrites.

Sorry, what year are we in again?

Before all the lies come out, yet again, have a read below:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137237&start=30

A CVA is pretty much an administration, transfer embargo, payments to companies owed. If anything I'd say it's worse as it's all on the clubs terms, not the businesses who are owed money. It's irrelevant what year it is, you claim to be this sensible well run club, but that wasn't always the case. You've benefited massively from old rules of no points deductions. This day and age, it could have been a different story.

I didn't say you were incorrect, did I? As you point out in the part in bold, I was correct in what I was saying. We weren't always well run, we are now. End of discussion really.

You are now, but it's a bit hypocritical of yourselves don't you think if you've been in far worse positions than us to tell us how to run a football club. You benefited from old league rules in administration. That's all I'm saying.

What you were saying was nothing to do with the topic of discussion. We weren't well run in 2002. It's now 2014. I implied that we are a sensibly run club, which we are. You were just looking for an argument which wasn't there.

Sensible ???

Appointing Gary Monk, and then extending the stadium

I would have though appoint him and reduce the stadium ready, perhaps demolish two stands

You have nothing decent to add to his thread do you? Are you even old enough to be up this late?

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

So the first expansion will be 5k, just like ours then?

Guess that makes Swansea just as sensible as a Cardiff....

Except you will be playing in a lower division.

When will the expansion be finished? In time for the start of the Championship season? Or will it be like Wolves and ready for when you go down to League One? It is quite possible that you'll be going down again next season, after all.

It will be finished for the UEFA super cup in August. Fact

Great stuff. So as one of you lot initially said, he would find it funny if we were relegated with a 33k stadium. Looks like it's happening to you. Now who's stupid?

Um.. We were getting 20 plus in the championship where as you were getting an average of 13,000 in your promotion season. I think that's the fact he's trying to say.

Well situations change. Hopefully we will have made some real Swans fans over the past few years and expanded our fan base. Hence the need for an expansion to our ground. We are filling it every week so we must expand if we want to grow as a club. It's kind of ironic that he's making fun of SCFC for wanting to expand and claiming it to be hilarious if we get relegated with a 33k stadium when that's exactly what is happening to you. If we get relegated, I hope that by that point, we will have a larger stadium with a larger potential fan base. I'm not saying we'll fill the ground if we are in the Championship, you won't either as you don't now, but the aim will be to have a larger attendance than we had the last time we were in that league.

All ifs and maybes. We aren't far off capacity now. You've got to take into account what's currently going on at out club. It's difficult to describe unless you're there. I know a lot of life long fans who will not go anymore due to
The rebranding. It's a shambles and possibly one of my worse times supporting Cardiff as i can't connect with what's gone on over the last 2 years.

Yep and I do understand that. I think a lot of fans won't bother next season though, regardless of kit colour. We both know the types. All clubs have them.

We need the expansion to grow as a club. I can't stress that enough.

A separate argument here but as you brought it up, is the expansion important to your club?

I'd say it is as we have the potential fan-base there. I'd rather it be there than not as you never know 5 years down the line what could be. Yes there are the fans who only go because it's premier league, but there's also a big divide down there in fans who want blue/anti tan/malky etc. It's not a nice atmosphere.

The bold part is what is true to us as a club, also. This is my point. It's just the constant dick-measuring on here is very tedious. Swansea City and Cardiff City are not that much different in size and fan base. Quite rightly, Cardiff should be getting more fans and have a slightly bigger ground as Cardiff is bigger and has a bigger catchment area. Both clubs are historically very similar.

You are 100% sure of that are you? I can remember putting money in for one game for you. I think you're wrong there.Is this the same FAW cup game that we paid for all your buses? I can't remember the piss being taken but I won't dispute what you remember as I don't remember myself.

Yes that season you may have accumulated points, but you never know how that could have played out on the field knowing that there was extra pressure for points knowing that 10 possibly 15 points had been deducted.

There was a bucket collection in 1985. It would be interesting to knock how much that actually raised mind you

Indeed but we can only go by the fact and the facts are that enough points were accumulated, anything else is just supposition.

Well I remember putting at least 4 quid in one bucket in the early 00's for you which I'll have back as you're well run now perhaps not official CCFC bucket collections, but maybe a football league bucket for you. I remember doing it. I also did the same for Wrexham a few years back.

You are 100% sure of that are you? I can remember putting money in for one game for you. I think you're wrong there.Is this the same FAW cup game that we paid for all your buses? I can't remember the piss being taken but I won't dispute what you remember as I don't remember myself.

Yes that season you may have accumulated points, but you never know how that could have played out on the field knowing that there was extra pressure for points knowing that 10 possibly 15 points had been deducted.

There was a bucket collection in 1985. It would be interesting to knock how much that actually raised mind you

Indeed but we can only go by the fact and the facts are that enough points were accumulated, anything else is just supposition.

Well I remember putting at least 4 quid in one bucket in the early 00's for you which I'll have back as you're well run now perhaps not official CCFC bucket collections, but maybe a football league bucket for you. I remember doing it. I also did the same for Wrexham a few years back.

I think someone may have been fleecing you

33,000

It will be hilarious when they eventually go down and go back to 14,000 crowds, if they're stupid enough to extend to that capacity.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

Is this the same club that went into administration twice? Hypocrites.

Sorry, what year are we in again?

Before all the lies come out, yet again, have a read below:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137237&start=30

A CVA is pretty much an administration, transfer embargo, payments to companies owed. If anything I'd say it's worse as it's all on the clubs terms, not the businesses who are owed money. It's irrelevant what year it is, you claim to be this sensible well run club, but that wasn't always the case. You've benefited massively from old rules of no points deductions. This day and age, it could have been a different story.

I didn't say you were incorrect, did I? As you point out in the part in bold, I was correct in what I was saying. We weren't always well run, we are now. End of discussion really.

You are now, but it's a bit hypocritical of yourselves don't you think if you've been in far worse positions than us to tell us how to run a football club. You benefited from old league rules in administration. That's all I'm saying.

What you were saying was nothing to do with the topic of discussion. We weren't well run in 2002. It's now 2014. I implied that we are a sensibly run club, which we are. You were just looking for an argument which wasn't there.

Sensible ???

Appointing Gary Monk, and then extending the stadium

I would have though appoint him and reduce the stadium ready, perhaps demolish two stands

You have nothing decent to add to his thread do you? Are you even old enough to be up this late?

I can see the boardroom meeting now.

Right lads Cardiff have a bigger Stadium than us, we need to extend ours to match our big brothers, we will need save money, sell Bony and Hernandez and give one of the shit players the managers job, to pay for it

I can see the boardroom meeting now.

Right lads Cardiff have a bigger Stadium than us, we need to extend ours to match our big brothers, we will need save money, sell Bony and Hernandez and give one of the shit players the managers job, to pay for it

I hope to God that we never try to copy you in any other way!

So the first expansion will be 5k, just like ours then?

Guess that makes Swansea just as sensible as a Cardiff.... [/quote]

Except you will be playing in a lower division.

When will the expansion be finished? In time for the start of the Championship season? Or will it be like Wolves and ready for when you go down to League One? It is quite possible that you'll be going down again next season, after all.[/quote]

It will be finished for the UEFA super cup in August. Fact [/quote]

Great stuff. So as one of you lot initially said, he would find it funny if we were relegated with a 33k stadium. Looks like it's happening to you. Now who's stupid?[/quote]

Um.. We were getting 20 plus in the championship where as you were getting an average of 13,000 in your promotion season. I think that's the fact he's trying to say.[/quote]

Well situations change. Hopefully we will have made some real Swans fans over the past few years and expanded our fan base. Hence the need for an expansion to our ground. We are filling it every week so we must expand if we want to grow as a club. It's kind of ironic that he's making fun of SCFC for wanting to expand and claiming it to be hilarious if we get relegated with a 33k stadium when that's exactly what is happening to you. If we get relegated, I hope that by that point, we will have a larger stadium with a larger potential fan base. I'm not saying we'll fill the ground if we are in the Championship, you won't either as you don't now, but the aim will be to have a larger attendance than we had the last time we were in that league.[/quote]

All ifs and maybes. We aren't far off capacity now. You've got to take into account what's currently going on at out club. It's difficult to describe unless you're there. I know a lot of life long fans who will not go anymore due to
The rebranding. It's a shambles and possibly one of my worse times supporting Cardiff as i can't connect with what's gone on over the last 2 years.[/quote]


The bold part is what is true to us as a club, also. This is my point. It's just the constant dick-measuring on here is very tedious. Swansea City and Cardiff City are not that much different in size and fan base. Quite rightly, Cardiff should be getting more fans and have a slightly bigger ground as Cardiff is bigger and has a bigger catchment area. Both clubs are historically very similar.[/quote][/quote]

I'd tend to disagree as historically attendances Cardiff have had have dwarfed Swansea's, no offence but I remember reading Swansea's biggest gate at the vetch was 32,000? Correct me if I'm wrong but Cardiff were regularly getting 40+ years ago, which is expected being 100k bigger in population and having a large catchment area nearby in areas nearby. Historically yes we are similar I suppose. We did beat Real Madrid though

If there were 33000 seats available tomorrow then i would think for a few games they would sell out. their average would definitely go up what it would be i dont know but an average of 25000 is not beyond realistic if they carry on playing in the premiership. I would imagine there are fans out there who will look west rather than East next season for their football fix sad but true in this age

Put the f*cking cement mixer away....

Billy the brickie "wrap up lads we're going home works on hold"

33,000

It will be hilarious when they eventually go down and go back to 14,000 crowds, if they're stupid enough to extend to that capacity.

It won't happen like that. It will be done in stages. So, the first stage would be up to 25k or 27k for example. If that sells out every week then we would go on to the next stage. You know, like sensible clubs do.

Is this the same club that went into administration twice? Hypocrites.

the expansion that was happening 3yrs ago but mcDonald got in way! seeing is believing and spew is to tight to spend money if don't need to, just think of the cost compared to ours? got to demolish stands as not pre planned like ours was when we built stadium, you didn't plan anything !

Because it's not theirs it's the Ospreys council stadium, they can borrow it until they fall back down the divisions.....

Like now

Now they can do a plan to sell off some of the spare seats to pay Bony's wages for a few days

Pride comes before a fall - now feck off back to the 2nd division or conference

Put the f*cking cement mixer away....

You are loving this as much as me aren't you

Forget their relegation the question is who in right mind will spend 15/20m to expand ground they don't own and would take many years if at all to recoup outlay! Plus with no garauntees of staying in premiership from one season to next? People bash us for expanding stadium but ours was 11m give or take that is dead cheap compared to cost of expanding liberty.

But look at the difference in debt levels. Cardiff have continued to get deeper and deeper into debt. You can't compare the two.

You are factually incorrect my friend. The debt levels at Cardiff have fallen over the past few years due to VT converting debt into equity.

There are plans to be debt free by 2021 with or without Premiership football.

Forget their relegation the question is who in right mind will spend 15/20m to expand ground they don't own and would take many years if at all to recoup outlay! Plus with no garauntees of staying in premiership from one season to next? People bash us for expanding stadium but ours was 11m give or take that is dead cheap compared to cost of expanding liberty.

The voice of common sense Allan

Swansea will be costing cutting next season just every other club who has been relegated from the PL. The thought they have this massive amount of money to spend on infrastructure is nonsense when they will be scraping to pay the day to day bills never mind anything else.

Forget their relegation the question is who in right mind will spend 15/20m to expand ground they don't own and would take many years if at all to recoup outlay! Plus with no garauntees of staying in premiership from one season to next? People bash us for expanding stadium but ours was 11m give or take that is dead cheap compared to cost of expanding liberty.

The voice of common sense Allan

Swansea will be costing cutting next season just every other club who has been relegated from the PL. The thought they have this massive amount of money to spend on infrastructure is nonsense when they will be scraping to pay the day to day bills never mind anything else.

Would have same problem if in premiership? Owners would basically have to right off the cost of expansion for many years,and if memory is right the yanks quoted 55m to do expansion to 30k as part of their master plan.

I can see the boardroom meeting now.

Right lads Cardiff have a bigger Stadium than us, we need to extend ours to match our big brothers, we will need save money, sell Bony and Hernandez and give one of the shit players the managers job, to pay for it

I hope to God that we never try to copy you in any other way!

Ha ha maybe you should you muppet

But look at the difference in debt levels. Cardiff have continued to get deeper and deeper into debt. You can't compare the two.

You are factually incorrect my friend. The debt levels at Cardiff have fallen over the past few years due to VT converting debt into equity.

There are plans to be debt free by 2021 with or without Premiership football.

Soon they will find out they are in debt too, business folk always borrow cash to buy like the hedge funders no doubt did. App they banked 30 million already somehow? I almost fear for the gypos, almost. Our debts are falling there’s are going to go through the roof.

These posts are from years ago I think?

These posts are from years ago I think?

Well expansion as Been talked about for 5 years maybe? But yanks said fairly recently about their plans to expand to get more revenue!

These posts are from years ago I think?

Well expansion as Been talked about for 5 years maybe? But yanks said fairly recently about their plans to expand to get more revenue!

They can forget about that, that's for certain!

But look at the difference in debt levels. Cardiff have continued to get deeper and deeper into debt. You can't compare the two.

You are factually incorrect my friend. The debt levels at Cardiff have fallen over the past few years due to VT converting debt into equity.

There are plans to be debt free by 2021 with or without Premiership football.

Soon they will find out they are in debt too, business folk always borrow cash to buy like the hedge funders no doubt did. App they banked 30 million already somehow? I almost fear for the gypos, almost. Our debts are falling there’s are going to go through the roof.

I agree we know from our experience how much relegation costs. We had a safety net in VT but will the Hedge Funders do the same? Doubt it.

Their 27 hedgies will want their money back after realising they've been sold a basket case so that's the parachute payments gone. They've already shown they will sell off assets by selling their best players and not replacing them and that was before potential relegation.

I cant see the hedge fund owners agreeing to expand a stadium that they don't own for crowds potentially dropping to 14,000 for the future.

Their 27 hedgies will want their money back after realising they've been sold a basket case so that's the parachute payments gone. They've already shown they will sell off assets by selling their best players and not replacing them and that was before potential relegation.

I cant see the hedge fund owners agreeing to expand a stadium that they don't own for crowds potentially dropping to 14,000 for the future.

Yes reminds me of Sam and his shady hedge fund! They obviously wanted money back at all costs so presumably the yanks be same?