So Malky wouldng have kept us up either

With Sunderland winning tonight that means 17th will now finish with at least 36 points.

Malkys ratio of points we were told would have lead us to safety.

"The football wasnt pretty but we were picking up enough points to keep us up"

Well I am afraid my little malkyites that if you want to play the ratio game Malky finishes on 36 points and a very poor goal difference so even if WBA dont pick up a point on Sunday theoretically we would still go down on goal difference.

We all know that you hate Malky and are still pro Tan so I view your post as the ramblings of someone who is just trying to justify his position. .

I stopped reading your jibber jabber after this point.

Not liking Malky has f**k ALL to do with supporting Tan they are two seperate issues.

I f*cking hate Tan for what he has done with the rebrand and as a result I have not renewed, and wont be until hes gone or we return to blue.

Your 50 years old, start acting it you great big whopper.

I'm not 50 years old at at all so another example of you inventing facts to suit your agenda . You claim not to support Tan but did support him when he undermined Malky for weeks then sacked him which ultimately cost us the points needed to have a chance of keeping us up. To replace Malky when Tan did was a huge mistake which has relegated us. Like I said you supported this decision and instead of now admitting it was a wrong move, you try and point the finger at Malky in order to mask your poor judgement. Well I must point out you are fooling no one.

100% I support his decision to sack Sir Hoofball that doesnt mean I am Pro-Tan as you put it you f*cking idiot. it just means I agree with one of his decisions.

You supported Tan in undermining and getting rid Malky which has cost us relegation. You are now looking for someone to blame to justify your poor (or foolish) choice. Perhaps admitting you got it wrong may be the start of your healing process. Like I said you are fooling no one.

Well thats where we disagree. We were going down under Malky as he had a squad that couldnt score goals, Tans only mistake on that one was not getting rid sooner.
Stick to the rugby you Ospreys loving weirdo

Ospreys? I have never watched them but shows how you cling to any untruth to try and make a point a bit like saying I was fifty which I am not but you did not comment on the fact you were wrong over that issue as well . You backed Tan in the sacking of Malky and got it wrong so get over it. If you want to blame someone then start with that man who looks back at you in the mirror when you have a shave next or you can keep digging that hole, it's up to you.

Ospreys? I have never watched them but shows how you cling to any untruth to try and make a point a bit like saying I was fifty which I am not but you did not comment on the fact you were wrong over that issue as well . You backed Tan in the sacking of Malky and got it wrong so get over it. If you want to blame someone then start with that man who looks back at you in the mirror when you have a shave next or you can keep digging that hole, it's up to you.

I didnt get anything wrong Odd job. Malky had to go. The reason we are going down is because of his shit signings. FACT.

Now either get over it or f**k off and support the next club he manages you Malky man loving weirdo.

Ospreys? I have never watched them but shows how you cling to any untruth to try and make a point a bit like saying I was fifty which I am not but you did not comment on the fact you were wrong over that issue as well . You backed Tan in the sacking of Malky and got it wrong so get over it. If you want to blame someone then start with that man who looks back at you in the mirror when you have a shave next or you can keep digging that hole, it's up to you.

I didnt get anything wrong Odd job. Malky had to go. The reason we are going down is because of his shit signings. FACT.

Now either get over it or f**k off and support the next club he manages you Malky man loving weirdo.

Like I said keep digging.

Ospreys? I have never watched them but shows how you cling to any untruth to try and make a point a bit like saying I was fifty which I am not but you did not comment on the fact you were wrong over that issue as well . You backed Tan in the sacking of Malky and got it wrong so get over it. If you want to blame someone then start with that man who looks back at you in the mirror when you have a shave next or you can keep digging that hole, it's up to you.

I didnt get anything wrong Odd job. Malky had to go. The reason we are going down is because of his shit signings. FACT.

Now either get over it or f**k off and support the next club he manages you Malky man loving weirdo.

Like I said keep digging.

Like I said. F*ck off.

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

If you call Arsenal, City, United, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea away easier fixtures then crack on.

I agree with the reply above but before the season started I predicted where our points should come from. If everything went to my plan I thought we could get to 43 points as an absolute maximum. However, I predicted we would only get 14 points from the 18 games Malky was in charge and a maximum of 29 points from the last 20 games.

Malky got 17 points which is 21% more than I thought was possible.
We got 13 points from the other games which is only 45% of what I thought was possible.

So in my opinion Malky managed to get the team to over perform by 21% where as Ole was responsible for a team performing at less than 50% of what I thought they were capable of achieving.

That's why for me Ole has to go.

If that's not irrefutable evidence Malky would have kept us up I don't know what is?

I agree with the reply above but before the season started I predicted where our points should come from. If everything went to my plan I thought we could get to 43 points as an absolute maximum. However, I predicted we would only get 14 points from the 18 games Malky was in charge and a maximum of 29 points from the last 20 games.

Malky got 17 points which is 21% more than I thought was possible.
We got 13 points from the other games which is only 45% of what I thought was possible.

So in my opinion Malky managed to get the team to over perform by 21% where as Ole was responsible for a team performing at less than 50% of what I thought they were capable of achieving.

That's why for me Ole has to go.

If that's not irrefutable evidence Malky would have kept us up I don't know what is?

how can it be evidence ffs!

hes just gone and assumed that we would have beaten every team in the bottom 10 at home....what kind of idiot thinks like that!

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

If you call Arsenal, City, United, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea away easier fixtures then crack on.

You have a much better chance of points playing those clubs away and the likes of Hull, Palace, West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich and Villa at home than vice versa.

I agree with the reply above but before the season started I predicted where our points should come from. If everything went to my plan I thought we could get to 43 points as an absolute maximum. However, I predicted we would only get 14 points from the 18 games Malky was in charge and a maximum of 29 points from the last 20 games.

Malky got 17 points which is 21% more than I thought was possible.
We got 13 points from the other games which is only 45% of what I thought was possible.

So in my opinion Malky managed to get the team to over perform by 21% where as Ole was responsible for a team performing at less than 50% of what I thought they were capable of achieving.

That's why for me Ole has to go.

If that's not irrefutable evidence Malky would have kept us up I don't know what is?

Irrefutable is the wrong word as it is merely hypothetical but you are essentially making the same argument as me. There were more points potentially available for us in the second half of the season than the first.

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

If you call Arsenal, City, United, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea away easier fixtures then crack on.

You have a much better chance of points playing those clubs away and the likes of Hull, Palace, West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich and Villa at home than vice versa.

Dont be so ridiculous

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

If you call Arsenal, City, United, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea away easier fixtures then crack on.

You have a much better chance of points playing those clubs away and the likes of Hull, Palace, West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich and Villa at home than vice versa.

Dont be so ridiculous

Which fixture list would you rather have?

Arsenal (h)
Stoke (a)
Man City (h)
West Ham (a)
Spurs (h)
Hull (a)
Man Utd (h)
Villa (a)
Everton (h)
Fulham (a)
Southampton (h)
Norwich (a)
Newcastle (h)
Palace (a)

OR

Arsenal (a)
Stoke (h)
Man City (a)
West Ham (h)
Spurs (a)
Hull (h)
Man Utd (a)
Villa (h)
Everton (a)
Fulham (h)
Southampton (a)
Norwich (h)
Newcastle (a)
Palace (h)

We had easier fixtures, had played only 2 of the bottom 11 (or 9 excluding us) at home before January 2014.

If you call Arsenal, City, United, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Newcastle and Swansea away easier fixtures then crack on.

You have a much better chance of points playing those clubs away and the likes of Hull, Palace, West Ham, Stoke, Fulham, Norwich and Villa at home than vice versa.

Dont be so ridiculous

Which fixture list would you rather have?

Arsenal (h)
Stoke (a)
Man City (h)
West Ham (a)
Spurs (h)
Hull (a)
Man Utd (h)
Villa (a)
Everton (h)
Fulham (a)
Southampton (h)
Norwich (a)
Newcastle (h)
Palace (a)

OR

Arsenal (a)
Stoke (h)
Man City (a)
West Ham (h)
Spurs (a)
Hull (h)
Man Utd (a)
Villa (h)
Everton (a)
Fulham (h)
Southampton (a)
Norwich (h)
Newcastle (a)
Palace (h)

Either, football is played on grass not paper.

Besides, it wouldnt matter what the order of the fixtures was the squad was simply not good enough and the blame for that lie4s firmly with Malky.

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.

But that's not the argument though was it?

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

start of season..........west ham,norwich..fulham..the jacks..hull.palace..sunderland........were the sides youd be looking to be down the bottom.........and the 14 games therefore winable......

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

That is soo hindsight! We could have had corner in each of those games

all these easier home games..........a lot of these teams were finding a bit of form...you have to take your chances when they come,we had played teams away who were in shocking form,but the genius figured,get a point beat them at home........sounds great until they have hit a vein and are then top of the current form table for the home game..........
and no one seems to realise that all these teams came here in the hope of 3 points........
bottom half clubs getting 2 ,3 or 4 away from home............had we managed to ever take the lead away,does anyone really think we would have gone on to score again and again.?..our opponents grabbed their opportunity to take the 3 points, no one else seemed to have the mind set we had............

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

You don't expected anything from the big boys so it almost doesn't matter and if you have a choice of which half of the league to play at home, it would be the bottom as that is where teams in our position generally pick up their points.

It's a fact that most teams in our position stay up on their home form and not their away form. The big six pointers were mostly still to come.

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

You don't expected anything from the big boys so it almost doesn't matter and if you have a choice of which half of the league to play at home, it would be the bottom as that is where teams in our position generally pick up their points.

It's a fact that most teams in our position stay up on their home form and not their away form. The big six pointers were mostly still to come.

So its a six pointer when we played at home but not when we played away

What a ridiculous notion

Do you understand what a six pointer is

Malkys team wouldn't have lost 4-0 to Sunderland

Ole best results and why he should

Hull 4 cardiff 0
Sunderland 4 cardiff 0
Palace 3 cardif 0
Swansea 3 cardiff 0
Newcastle 3 cardiff 0

Malkys team wouldn't have lost 4-0 to Sunderland

Ole best results and why he should

Hull 4 cardiff 0
Sunderland 4 cardiff 0
Palace 3 cardif 0
Swansea 3 cardiff 0
Newcastle 3 cardiff 0

Yes I wish we lost 1-0 to Sunderland under malky instead

Malkys team wouldn't have lost 4-0 to Sunderland

Ole best results and why he should

Hull 4 cardiff 0
Sunderland 4 cardiff 0
Palace 3 cardif 0
Swansea 3 cardiff 0
Newcastle 3 cardiff 0

Hello

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

You don't expected anything from the big boys so it almost doesn't matter and if you have a choice of which half of the league to play at home, it would be the bottom as that is where teams in our position generally pick up their points.

It's a fact that most teams in our position stay up on their home form and not their away form. The big six pointers were mostly still to come.

So its a six pointer when we played at home but not when we played away

What a ridiculous notion

Do you understand what a six pointer is

My point simply is, and no more, our best chance of points was at home against bottom 10 teams. The only ridiculous notion is anything contradictory to that because it's plain wrong and, dare I say, deluded. Anything to have a pop at one of our greatest managers.

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

You don't expected anything from the big boys so it almost doesn't matter and if you have a choice of which half of the league to play at home, it would be the bottom as that is where teams in our position generally pick up their points.

It's a fact that most teams in our position stay up on their home form and not their away form. The big six pointers were mostly still to come.

So its a six pointer when we played at home but not when we played away

What a ridiculous notion

Do you understand what a six pointer is

My point simply is, and no more, our best chance of points was at home against bottom 10 teams. The only ridiculous notion is anything contradictory to that because it's plain wrong and, dare I say, deluded. Anything to have a pop at one of our greatest managers.

So because he has one good season and gets us to the Prem with a shit load of cash, he is one of our greatest managers? Hmmmm The points tally we had last season would barely get 3rd this season, malky did well but I would like to see how he would do with hardly any cash, oh wait I'd did at Watford and he done shit.

I think anyone can see that you would rather play beatable opponents at home than those you have next to no chance against.
But that's not the argument though was it?

Its swings and roundabouts. You would rather play the big boys at home than away. 2nd half of the season we had 8 of the top 10 away.

We picked up 6 points away from home 1st half of the season where we had our so called easier games. Simply not enough.

We only scored against 2 of the 7 lower half teams we played away from home under Malky, so anyone who thinks we would have won the majority of those home games 2nd half of the season is seriously deluded.

You don't expected anything from the big boys so it almost doesn't matter and if you have a choice of which half of the league to play at home, it would be the bottom as that is where teams in our position generally pick up their points.

It's a fact that most teams in our position stay up on their home form and not their away form. The big six pointers were mostly still to come.

So its a six pointer when we played at home but not when we played away

What a ridiculous notion

Do you understand what a six pointer is

My point simply is, and no more, our best chance of points was at home against bottom 10 teams. The only ridiculous notion is anything contradictory to that because it's plain wrong and, dare I say, deluded. Anything to have a pop at one of our greatest managers.

Even if we beat the other 9 teams in the bottom 10 at home its only 27 points.

Some things on this thread are so laughable .

Firstly there's people saying they would rather have the lower teams away and bigger teams at home. A bottom half side is lucky to pick up a few points off big teams at home and you would expect to win most home games against bottom half sides so how people can say we should accumulate more points the other way around is insane.

Then there are people saying that Malky would not have kept us up and when someone disagrees and backs up there point they are shot down because of 'ifs' and 'buts'. I would like to know what these people are basing us getting relegated under Malky on as i fail to see how they can be certain we were going down anyway.
Is it the fact we had not been in the relegation zone since the first day?
Is it that our 'hoofball' and defensive style of play was picking up the points that we needed?
Or is it that common sense tells us we more likely to accumulate a higher amount of points in the second half of the season because of our fixtures?

So if you accept that is logical to target wins at home against worst 10 teams and draws away against worst 10 teams you would have the following stats for the season so far:-

Palace 36pts from 39 points in targeted games so far 92% success rate, 8 bonus points taken off top 9 teams
Swansea 31 / 37 = 84% plus 8 bonus
Stoke 31 / 39 = 79% plus 16
Hull 30 / 40 = 75% plus 7
Fulham 27 / 37 = 73% plus 4
West Ham 28 / 40 = 70% plus 12
Villa 24 / 40 = 60% plus 14
West Brom 22 / 37 = 59% plus 14
Norwich 23 / 40 = 58% plus 10
Cardiff 22 / 40 = 55% plus 8
Sunderland 17 / 39 = 44% plus 21

So you can do it the sunderland way by getting lots of points against the top 9 but Palace, Swansea and Hull's success has come from taking points in the games you would expect points to be possible.

under Malky 12 / 13 = 92% plus 5
under Ole 9 / 24 = 38% plus 3

As previously stated I am not saying Malky would keep us up but simply highlighting what a crap job Ole has done in comparison.

all these easier home games..........a lot of these teams were finding a bit of form...

What teams apart from palace had found some form?

you have to take your chances when they come, we had played teams away who were in shocking form

What away game had we played where a team was in shocking form?

had we managed to ever take the lead away

Yes, we took the lead against fulham twice and beat them.

does anyone really think we would have gone on to score again and again.?

Not many teams apart from those who have played us under Ole have gone on to score and score again.

..our opponents grabbed their opportunity to take the 3 points

Not under Malky they didnt

no one else seemed to have the mind set we had............

What mind set would that be?