Bank holiday Monday whoppers thread

The recent thread about having Dave Jones back, with some people blathering on about how he'd do a good job for us this time.

Give me a break.

He did a good job for us last time and knows the league.

Milky Mackay - spent £10m+ in his championship winning season
Solskjaer - hasn't a clue about the championship
Dave Jones - kept us competing, had us playing decent football and at the same time generated £20m+ in transfer income over 6 seasons.

Then again, I suppose financially astute managers who keep clubs competing like Wenger are crap too aren't they? I mean, what fan truly wants financial stability? Lets just keep throwing money at the problem and now lets go give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer £20m to get us promoted again. That'll solve everything. Some of you fans deserve a broken club because all you want is success, success and success. Financial stability and other things dont matter to you. You claim they do but if they did you'd take a manager like Jones over Malky any day and Solskjaer, well he has about as much experience at Championship as Dai Hunt so make of that what you will.

The recent thread about having Dave Jones back, with some people blathering on about how he'd do a good job for us this time.

Give me a break.

He did a good job for us last time and knows the league.

Milky Mackay - spent £10m+ in his championship winning season
Solskjaer - hasn't a clue about the championship
Dave Jones - kept us competing, had us playing decent football and at the same time generated £20m+ in transfer income over 6 seasons.

Then again, I suppose financially astute managers who keep clubs competing like Wenger are crap too aren't they? I mean, what fan truly wants financial stability? Lets just keep throwing money at the problem and now lets go give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer £20m to get us promoted again. That'll solve everything. Some of you fans deserve a broken club because all you want is success, success and success. Financial stability and other things dont matter to you. You claim they do but if they did you'd take a manager like Jones over Malky any day and Solskjaer, well he has about as much experience at Championship as Dai Hunt so make of that what you will.

So basically, you'd rather see a manager who leeps us reasonably competitive in the Championship, keeps selling our best players and never quite gets us over the final hurdle? Oh, not to mention having a very frosty relationship with the supporters and local press?

You say all that about financial stability under DJ, but we weren't financially stable were we? There was a winding up order being served against us every other season because of the club's ownership and debts.

So basically, you'd rather see a manager who leeps us reasonably competitive in the Championship, keeps selling our best players and never quite gets us over the final hurdle?

If it means we're making money in the transfer windows and we're on the road to becoming more financially stable yes. Its the reason Arsenal's owners are happy with Wenger. Success comes with time. Throwing money at something constantly is pure economic stupidity.

Oh, not to mention having a very frosty relationship with the supporters and local press?

Who cares if he's effective? A managers job is to get results. If you want a charismatic lying politician go support the Liberal Democrats.

You say all that about financial stability under DJ, but we weren't financially stable were we? There was a winding up order being served against us every other season because of the club's ownership and debts.

And none of this was Dave Jones' fault. This was all down to those above him and not Jones himself. In fact, Jones did those at the top a favour with his transfer dealings and making profit. Looking back on it, he deserved a pay off and I hold no grudges over that. Without him doing what he did in those transfer windows there's a strong chance we'd have entered administration back then when the bubble was finally about to burst.

We would have been over £20m worse off under Jones because thats how much he made us financially in the transfer window over 6 seasons. Check the transfers balance sheet. It does not lie. Malky on the other hand splashed money for fun and that money doesn't grow on trees. Its just left us worse off especially considering we're now relegated and will not recoup the fees paid.

and no, I don't want short term success if it means throwing money we don't have at a problem and puts our future at risk. I'd rather an astute manager who knows how to grab bargains and turn over profit in the window. Dave Jones would have done a much better job than Malky in the transfer window last year. That's a certainty.

Gambling with the clubs future by throwing money at a problem is the epitome of stupidity. I don't recall Swansea's owners throwing the chequebook around the year they got promoted. £1m on Sinclair I believe was their biggest fee paid. I'd much rather Jones back than enter an unforgiving league like the Championship with a rookie who quite frankly, by his own admission, is out of his depth by some degree in the Premier League and nothing about what he says fills me with confidence that it'll be any different if we go down.

Pembroke bluebird actually thinking I dont live in australia, just drive an aussie car and move aussie mountains and landmarks to Wales

What a whopper

I thought you lived in Italy as you say Ciao, maybe not.

I thought you lived in Italy as you say Ciao, maybe not.

Im a man of many languages

I thought you lived in Italy as you say Ciao, maybe not.

Im a man of many languages

Well you're clearly fluent in bullshit.

Sorry Roathie you left yourself open to that.

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

It was made a sticky because one of the mods thought it was a good post.

Caulker and Campbell have already been capped, David James has tipped Moore to be a future England number 1 and Jordon Mutch will be a future England international in my opinion, so to say we could have a future spine of England internationals isn't a ridiculous claim at all I don't think.

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

He's comedy value ain't he.

I like it when he becomes a manager in his own head popping up with different teams tactics and reasoning for his teams like he's some sort of expert because he probably played a bit of amateur league football and lma manager on the ps2

Most people agree with my team selections actually. Just to correct you, I used to play Welsh League standard.

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

It was made a sticky because one of the mods thought it was a good post.

Caulker and Campbell have already been capped, David James has tipped Moore to be a future England number 1 and Jordon Mutch will be a future England international in my opinion, so to say we could have a future spine of England internationals isn't a ridiculous claim at all I don't think.

So because its made a sticky it must be good! Have you seen the standard of stickies on here?

Comedy gold

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Tonteg is also responsible for Mutch being a better player than Carrick

I said Mutch has the POTENTIAL to be as good or better than Carrick. Mutch has already got more goals and assists in his one Premiership season for a bottom of the league team than Carrick has managed in his whole career by the way. Mutch will keep getting better and better too, that's why I think he will be a future England international.

With the spine of the England team it's a wonder we went down. The manager must have really cocked it up..

He's also posted this on the Merthyr thread:

Paulton came to Merthyr with a game plan and executed it perfectly. A very Malky like performance from them. Ryan Prosser made a big difference when he came on and nearly scored a couple of times. I don't know why Merthyr don't start him.


Sad thing is he probably isn't a troll.

So he's watched poulton a few times this year and knows how they play then I'm guessing..

As that's how he's made his assesment that they have executed a perfect game plan..


f**k sake

You only have to watch one game of football to see how a team sets theirself up and see what they're game plan is and what they're trying to achieve for that game. Mourinho's game plan at Liverpool when they sat back, defended, stayed organised and hit them on the break was obvious to see, but when Mourinho needed a goal for Chelsea to beat PSG, he went more attacking and threw extra attackers on to try and break them down. Different game plans for different games depending on what the team requires. No manager or team ever sticks to the same game plan every game. Paulton went to Merthyr with an obvious game plan and executed it to perfection, but that doesn't mean they would employ a more attacking game plan in other games against weaker opposition. You have had a bit of a mare with that post.

Tonteg Bluebird sometimes talks sense... Then he starts blabbing on about Mackay and I switch off. He's as ridiculous as those who constantly slate Mackay.

Tonteg Bluebird sometimes talks sense... Then he starts blabbing on about Mackay and I switch off. He's as ridiculous as those who constantly slate Mackay.

I've only been awake an hour, won't be reading his reply or I'll be back asleep before I know it.

Mutch has already got more goals and assists in his one Premiership season for a bottom of the league team than Carrick has managed in his whole career by the way.

No he hasnt

Completely different players anyway.

You also claimed he was better than Ross Barkley, who is more of a similair player, so lets see how that one develops shall we.

Mutch has already got more goals and assists in his one Premiership season for a bottom of the league team than Carrick has managed in his whole career by the way.

No he hasnt

Completely different players anyway.

You also claimed he was better than Ross Barkley, who is more of a similair player, so lets see how that one develops shall we.

Yes he has, Mutch has 7 goals in 34 Premiership appearances plus 5 assists. Carrick has never contributed that much in an attacking sense, he's only scored 16 goals in 240 appearances for a Man Utd team dominating the Premiership until this season, but like you say Mutch is more attacking and Carrick is more defensive. The fact Mutch has contributed so much in a bottom of the league side shows he could become even better in a better team with better players around him mind. There are times Mutch goes missing, but I think in a better team with better players around him, Mutch will continue to improve and the more he matures, the more consistent he will perform. I never once said he was better than Ross Barkley mind, you've mixed me up with someone else there.

So Mutch has 7 goals and Carrick 16...

How in any way is that more goals?!

Mutch has already got more goals and assists in his one Premiership season for a bottom of the league team than Carrick has managed in his whole career by the way.

No he hasnt

Completely different players anyway.

You also claimed he was better than Ross Barkley, who is more of a similair player, so lets see how that one develops shall we.

Yes he has, Mutch has 7 goals in 34 Premiership appearances plus 5 assists. Carrick has never contributed that much in an attacking sense, he's only scored 16 goals in 240 appearances for a Man Utd team dominating the Premiership until this season, but like you say Mutch is more attacking and Carrick is more defensive. The fact Mutch has contributed so much in a bottom of the league side shows he could become even better in a better team with better players around him mind. There are times Mutch goes missing, but I think in a better team with better players around him, Mutch will continue to improve and the more he matures, the more consistent he will perform. I never once said he was better than Ross Barkley mind, you've mixed me up with someone else there.

He's had no option but to step up and drag the team along at times. Fact he hasn't consistently done it don't mean he would in a better team, he would just be exposed for what he is..an average young midfielder.

Carrick on the other hand is class and instrumental in the united team.

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

It was made a sticky because one of the mods thought it was a good post.

Caulker and Campbell have already been capped, David James has tipped Moore to be a future England number 1 and Jordon Mutch will be a future England international in my opinion, so to say we could have a future spine of England internationals isn't a ridiculous claim at all I don't think.

So what? We've never seen Moore play consistently so to say he is a future England number 1 is absurd. Hart, Forster and Ruddy are currently the England 3 and are all 27 so they have 10 years at most left. Alex Mccarthy and Jack Butland are also tipped to be England number.1 and both have been capped either by the U-21 or in Butland's case the first team.

Gordon Banks said that Butland could be the future England number 1 as well which is far higher praise than David James. Unless you've seen Moore play consistently (which would involve you going to Brentford matches) you can't possibly say that. Instead you rely on an average journeyman goalkeeper to back up your point, brilliant.

Mutch is not better than Barkley, , Wilshere and Lallana (and probably some more I've missed out on) Although I think he'll get a handful of caps he won't pick up 60/70. He is far too lazy and injury prone to have an illustrious career.

Caulker is the only one you have a case on, Campbell has no chance at ever getting an England cap again. He is a Championship striker at best

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

It was made a sticky because one of the mods thought it was a good post.

Caulker and Campbell have already been capped, David James has tipped Moore to be a future England number 1 and Jordon Mutch will be a future England international in my opinion, so to say we could have a future spine of England internationals isn't a ridiculous claim at all I don't think.

So what? We've never seen Moore play consistently so to say he is a future England number 1 is absurd. Hart, Forster and Ruddy are currently the England 3 and are all 27 so they have 10 years at most left. Alex Mccarthy and Jack Butland are also tipped to be England number.1 and both have been capped either by the U-21 or in Butland's case the first team.

Gordon Banks said that Butland could be the future England number 1 as well which is far higher praise than David James. Unless you've seen Moore play consistently (which would involve you going to Brentford matches) you can't possibly say that. Instead you rely on an average journeyman goalkeeper to back up your point, brilliant.

Mutch is not better than Barkley, , Wilshere and Lallana (and probably some more I've missed out on) Although I think he'll get a handful of caps he won't pick up 60/70. He is far too lazy and injury prone to have an illustrious career.

Caulker is the only one you have a case on, Campbell has no chance at ever getting an England cap again. He is a Championship striker at best

Don't be so daft mun chuck Mutch in the Madrid team he will prosper with the better quality around him and feel right at home,
And as that model will work so well we may as well carry it on with the rest of the players.
Moore can go to Dortmund, caulker to Munich to shore up their defence and Campbell can go to atletico to replace costa.

Sorted.

Tonteg saying we have the spine of the future England team with Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell.

Words fail me.

If I recall rightly it was made a sticky for a while as well. Another one of many embarrassing posts Tonteg has made.

It was made a sticky because one of the mods thought it was a good post.

Caulker and Campbell have already been capped, David James has tipped Moore to be a future England number 1 and Jordon Mutch will be a future England international in my opinion, so to say we could have a future spine of England internationals isn't a ridiculous claim at all I don't think.

So what? We've never seen Moore play consistently so to say he is a future England number 1 is absurd. Hart, Forster and Ruddy are currently the England 3 and are all 27 so they have 10 years at most left. Alex Mccarthy and Jack Butland are also tipped to be England number.1 and both have been capped either by the U-21 or in Butland's case the first team.

Gordon Banks said that Butland could be the future England number 1 as well which is far higher praise than David James. Unless you've seen Moore play consistently (which would involve you going to Brentford matches) you can't possibly say that. Instead you rely on an average journeyman goalkeeper to back up your point, brilliant.

Mutch is not better than Barkley, , Wilshere and Lallana (and probably some more I've missed out on) Although I think he'll get a handful of caps he won't pick up 60/70. He is far too lazy and injury prone to have an illustrious career.

Caulker is the only one you have a case on, Campbell has no chance at ever getting an England cap again. He is a Championship striker at best

Don't be so daft mun chuck Mutch in the Madrid team he will prosper with the better quality around him and feel right at home,
And as that model will work so well we may as well carry it on with the rest of the players.
Moore can go to Dortmund, caulker to Munich to shore up their defence and Campbell can go to atletico to replace costa.

Sorted.

I can't believe someone would type some of the stuff he does.

Mental son.

I'll concede that Jones made a few good signings, but in the last couple of seasons with Cardiff, he brought swathes of average players in on loan - Emmanuel-Thomas, Drinkwater, Bywater, Jlloyd Samuel, Kelvin Etuhu, Andy Keogh etc - we ended up with a team full of individuals who nearly always lost if we went a goal down; no spirit or backbone.

I agree with you in wanting long term stability over short term success - what fan wouldn't - and any other manager with a good long term philosophy given time would be welcome, but to have DJ back would be a MASSIVE backwards step. He had 6 years with us and we failed at the final hurdle many times. When fans say they'd welcome him back, to me that just says they'd be happy with another ten years of 'just doing alright' - mediocrity and under achievement, with a few away days to places like Barnsley; a mentality I cannot understand.

So Mutch has 7 goals and Carrick 16...

How in any way is that more goals?!

Exactly my point. Words fail me.

Mutch is the greatest player that ever lived. Messi has a canvas print of him on his wall and a Jordon Mutch duvet cover that he sleeps in just to feel secure at night. If you look at all of Messi's honours, on the underside of his trophies it says 'this is dedicated to Jordon Mutch, the player, the inspiration, the man I could not have done this without'.

i used to play in the same football team as Tonteg Bluebird, hes obviously a passionate fan, always was when we were younger when only a few of us were Cardiff fans, and id say he does know his stuff when it comes to football, there aren't really a wealth of people on here who like to actually talk about football/tactics etc so I welcome that.

However all this Malky stuff is really really grating on me, he just cant seem to let the thing go

I'll concede that Jones made a few good signings, but in the last couple of seasons with Cardiff, he brought swathes of average players in on loan - Emmanuel-Thomas, Drinkwater, Bywater, Jlloyd Samuel, Kelvin Etuhu, Andy Keogh etc - we ended up with a team full of individuals who nearly always lost if we went a goal down; no spirit or backbone.

I agree with you in wanting long term stability over short term success - what fan wouldn't - and any other manager with a good long term philosophy given time would be welcome, but to have DJ back would be a MASSIVE backwards step. He had 6 years with us and we failed at the final hurdle many times. When fans say they'd welcome him back, to me that just says they'd be happy with another ten years of 'just doing alright' - mediocrity and under achievement, with a few away days to places like Barnsley; a mentality I cannot understand.

This is the whopper thread not the post an essay thread.

i used to play in the same football team as Tonteg Bluebird, hes obviously a passionate fan, always was when we were younger when only a few of us were Cardiff fans, and id say he does know his stuff when it comes to football, there aren't really a wealth of people on here who like to actually talk about football/tactics etc so I welcome that.

However all this Malky stuff is really really grating on me, he just cant seem to let the thing go

Has he always lacked a sense of humour?

So Mutch has 7 goals and Carrick 16...

How in any way is that more goals?!

Exactly my point. Words fail me.

The most goals Carrick has scored in one Premiership season is 4. Mutch has nearly doubled that in his first ever Premiership season in a bottom of the league team. Words fail me how you can't grasp that simple, clear point.