A honest answer

Hes clearly missing my posts,because he knows I'm right ,one question I'd like answered,did we have any empty seats against man united??????????

Of course not because all the plastics were out in force in South Wales and Tan invited his Malaysian friends over to watch his favourite team and the team he's trying to turn us into.

Over the whole season though there were several games where there were plenty of empty seats. Whether these were unsold tickets or just people not turning up due to other commitments is not the argument. His argument was that there were empty seats and he was right.

He did say either sold or didn't turn up. Loads didn't turn up and the pictures don't like Chuckles.

The "pictures" evidently do lie. To say that "loads" didn't turn up, is just rubbish.

Why are you being pedantic about the whole thing? You want posters like him to post fairly and ask decent questions yet when they do you berate them over the most minimalist of details.

I've answered his questions. Not my fault that you or him don't like my answers.

Hardly frigging surprising they troll most of the time is it when they can't win either way. What he said was actually fair and to be honest when I first read it I thought someone else had written it as there wasn't a provoking statement in sight.

There were quite a few in my eyes.

It also makes me laugh that when Cardiff have empty seats its because we are struggling to fill, yet when Swansea have empty seats in their smaller stadium (which has happened a few times this season) it's nothing to do with them struggling.

These goal posts are moving quite a lot.

Barry keeps on about the fact every game is a sellout, that may be the case however many fans on sevral occasions have not taken there seats up.
I was not looking for bites but asking a genuing question.
We have been slogged of on this board for having just 20k stadium but we did the same in the 80s and it bit us o the ass.
So what we are doing is a sensible way off doing it.
However I feel we have built a bigger fan base and should now push ahead with the first phase.
You buit in your first season wile fans who may well have bought tickets faild to turn up.
I just asked was it wise to buid now or wait a wile to see if u could have stayed up and if so would the second season see less fans.
Barry will always look for any angel to prove him self right

Yes barry we have had empty seats this season but only in the smaller games and we are talking less the 200.
But bare in mind they are season ticket holders and it is our 3rd season.

Barry keeps on about the fact every game is a sellout, that may be the case however many fans on sevral occasions have not taken there seats up.

I've not said that. Stop making things up. I said that the majority were. I've proved this to you several times too... Yet you still choose to ignore it. Just because a few seats aren't taken up, it doesn't mean it is not a sell out.
I was not looking for bites but asking a genuing question.
We have been slogged of on this board for having just 20k stadium but we did the same in the 80s and it bit us o the ass.
So what we are doing is a sensible way off doing it.

I agree & as I said, it should have been done when we were settled in the premiership.

However I feel we have built a bigger fan base and should now push ahead with the first phase.

Well, I am afraid the figures say otherwise.

You buit in your first season wile fans who may well have bought tickets faild to turn up.

What has that got anything to do with it?

I just asked was it wise to buid now or wait a wile to see if u could have stayed up and if so would the second season see less fans.

Why would it see less fans? What a ridiculous notion. We should have waited, only to see if we would remain in the league, not because of fear for a sudden drop in fans!

Barry will always look for any angel to prove him self right

What have I said in here that is wrong then? At least you have stopped lying about being called thick in this thread.

Yes barry we have had empty seats this season but only in the smaller games and we are talking less the 200.
But bare in mind they are season ticket holders and it is our 3rd season.

Exactly the same as Cardiff and every other club in the football league then.. Yet, suddenly, because it is Cardiff, we are struggling?

If Cardiff shouldn't get a new stand because there were a few hundred empty seats, then Swansea shouldn't either... because you aren't a "full house" (going by your definition in a previous thread ).

See how easy it is?

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The "pictures" evidently do lie. To say that "loads" didn't turn up, is just rubbish.

Total attendance over the season: 494,000
Total capacity: 504,000 (doesn't factor in additional seats either during the season)

That's 10,000 seats not taken over 18 games Chuckles or 555 fans per game.

That's roughly 2% of the stadium capacity on average per game. Therefore to say we filled our stadium is complete and utter nonsense as on average it was 98% full and that doesn't even factor in the additional seats put in. Some games were full which then means to average out to that 98% figure that some games must have been around the 95%-96% mark and therefore not full.

I rest my case but don't let statistics and facts get in the way of your continued bullshit TownhillMagic.

Total attendance over the season: 494,000
Total capacity: 504,000 (doesn't factor in additional seats either during the season)

That's 10,000 seats not taken over 18 games Chuckles or 555 fans per game.

That's roughly 2% of the stadium capacity on average per game. Therefore to say we filled our stadium is complete and utter nonsense as on average it was 98% full and that doesn't even factor in the additional seats put in. Some games were full which then means to average out to that 98% figure that some games must have been around the 95%-96% mark and therefore not full.

I rest my case but don't let statistics and facts get in the way of your continued bullshit TownhillMagic.

I trust that you have taken the away attendances into account then? A home sell out doesn't equate to a stadium sell out.

Barry all season we have had the same debat were I have said u aint sold out yet your reply was officially its a sell out
There for im not making things up.
As for saying every club has the same problem that fans dont take up there seats is true as with us.
But bare in mind that this was your first season and still u didnt.
The second season the novelty will where of and u would have had more not turning up.
We did well to stay the same but this season we did have some empty seats.
But only for the lesser games the big games tickets that were put on general sale were gone with in a houre.
So yes I do belive we are ready to extend atleast to 25k.
Dont forget there are no cheap tickets with us and no school promotions
There for for the lesser games we could do this to make sure we sell out.

Barry all season we have had the same debat were I have said u aint sold out yet your reply was officially its a sell out
There for im not making things up.
As for saying every club has the same problem that fans dont take up there seats is true as with us.
But bare in mind that this was your first season and still u didnt.
The second season the novelty will where of and u would have had more not turning up.
We did well to stay the same but this season we did have some empty seats.
But only for the lesser games the big games tickets that were put on general sale were gone with in a houre.
So yes I do belive we are ready to extend atleast to 25k.
Dont forget there are no cheap tickets with us and no school promotions
There for for the lesser games we could do this to make sure we sell out.

Why do you come on here?.

Empty seats in the home end generally mean home vans aint taken there seats barry.
But hey dont take my word for it.

To debate
After all there are only 2 teams in wales who get any were and its good to have our discussions.

It does not matter whether it was 20% on average or 98% full over the season. The extension will enhance the stadium. It will also give people more choice should they want to move about. Obviously when there is huge demand for tickets it will help cater for that.
If it's atmosphere you are worried about then Ninian Park rarely sold out but 25000 made a lot of noise on occasions.

You don't debate.

All you do is rip into cardiff.

Barry all season we have had the same debat were I have said u aint sold out yet your reply was officially its a sell out

Absolutely. A sell out. As announced by the club. No seats left available for purchase. A SELL OUT.

There for im not making things up.

Nor am I. I even provided links.

As for saying every club has the same problem that fans dont take up there seats is true as with us.

Glad you agree.

But bare in mind that this was your first season and still u didnt.

Doesn't matter what season it is. I'm sure that people couldn't attend every game in your first season too. It happens at every club, as you just agreed.

The second season the novelty will where of and u would have had more not turning up.

Again, this happens at every club, yours included.

We did well to stay the same but this season we did have some empty seats.

So, going by your own theory, you don't need an extension either?

But only for the lesser games the big games tickets that were put on general sale were gone with in a houre.

Same with every other club then..

So yes I do belive we are ready to extend atleast to 25k.

I agree. I think that would be your level. Anything over that and you'd have a lot of empty seats for the majority of games.

Dont forget there are no cheap tickets with us and no school promotions

In fairness, your stadium is so small, you can't afford to do that.

There for for the lesser games we could do this to make sure we sell out.

Empty seats in the home end generally mean home vans aint taken there seats barry.
But hey dont take my word for it.

Where have I said otherwise? My point is that there we a few teams that didn't bring a full allocation, so to go by attendances without factoring out these seats that were unavailable for home fans to purchase, would be inaccurate and unfair.

Empty seats in the home end generally mean home vans aint taken there seats barry.
But hey dont take my word for it.

What have 'home vans' got to do with empty stadium seats, fella?

Or are we now sponsored by Pickfords Removals nowadays??

Someone once said: "It is better to stay silent and let people THINK you are an idiot, rather than opening your mouth (or in your case, writing to a fashion) and CONFIRMING it beyond doubt!

You are one class act (and that's NOT a compliment, fella

My honest opinion is that if both clubs were in the premier league next season, both clubs could add 5k to their grounds (we already are) and that would sell out regularly.

Next season, as we are in the 2nd tier, we will have a new stand that will be empty. I think we should have stabilized in the prem before expanding, as I alluded to in my first post here.

Next time i see SLad im gonna show him where the quote function is.It causes all sorts of confusion

Barry u just change topics to suit your self.
All season u have been saying its a sell out but there have been empty seats in the home end

That is nothing to do with away fans.
As for saying u would get 5 k more if u stayed up? On what basis can u say that?
Yes the bigger games u would have filled out but the lesser games u would have experienced what u did this year but on a greater scale.
We barley had a seat empty in our first season allso in our second.
If u had empty seats in your first then off course in your second there would gave been more as would the 3rd.

Yes please as I could quote some of the stuff barry is saying.
Allredy in this thred he has changed his mind when green arrow posted facts

Barry u just change topics to suit your self.
All season u have been saying its a sell out but there have been empty seats in the home end

That's right. mainly because they have been sell outs. You've even had that proved to you, with offical club website links. Empty seats in the home end doesn't mean that it is not a home sell out. How many times do you need to be told this? !

That is nothing to do with away fans.

When someone starts quoting attendance figures, without factoring in the away allocation not being sold out, it makes it unreliable. Surely you can see that?!

As for saying u would get 5 k more if u stayed up? On what basis can u say that?

Just my opinion. Why do you think you will get 5k if you extend? As you say, there are already empty seats at the Liberty, despite it being the smallest ground in the league.

Yes the bigger games u would have filled out but the lesser games u would have experienced what u did this year but on a greater scale.

Yep, I've already said that myself. Same would go for you.

We barley had a seat empty in our first season allso in our second.

I'm not surprised, in such a small stadium.

If u had empty seats in your first then off course in your second there would gave been more as would the 3rd.

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Home Vans ffs

Parking down the stadium is a massive issue as it is without everyone turning up in a van

He's on the ropes mush.He loves having a tussle with you but does come unstuck at times.The quote function is on the right hand side of whoever makes the post.Just click on that 'Quote'...I'd text you or ring but you're probably in a land far away somewhere and f**k the cost of that.

Yes please as I could quote some of the stuff barry is saying.
Allredy in this thred he has changed his mind when green arrow posted facts

No I haven't. My stance has been the same since my first post.

What I did do, was use your theory and applied it to your own club, to show how silly your theory is.

I can't say that I am surprised that it has flown straight over your head though.

But barry we are not talking about swansea here the original post was how u felt about the extension bare in mind u are going down and for reasons known only to them who didnt use there tickets didnt turn up there for had empty seats.
You keep saying offical club staitmeants but that just says that fans are buying seats but not turning up.
So in theory u aint got a full house yet go ahead and buid a new stand knowing very well that if u did stay in the prem there would be less fans going because its worn off or if u did go down (as expected by most new teams in the prem) would lose sevral thousand fans.
I think its bad management and money waisted .
Building a team to compete should be priority rather then building a bigger stadium.
Bare in mind that staying in the prem gives u much more money then fans on seats.

But barry we are not talking about swansea here the original post was how u felt about the extension bare in mind u are going down and for reasons known only to them who didnt use there tickets didnt turn up there for had empty seats.

I know we aren't, but I'm using Swansea to show you how daft I think your theory is.

You are using the fact that we had empty seats as some games as a reason why we shouldn't have expanded, even if we had stayed up. Well, going by that theory, Swansea shouldn't expand either as you have had empty seats this season too, which you admit to.

Now do you see why I think your theory is wrong?

You keep saying offical club staitmeants but that just says that fans are buying seats but not turning up.

That's right, which means it is a sell out. You are physically unable to buy another ticket for the match. The tickets have SOLD OUT. Come on Paul, it isn't hard.

So in theory u aint got a full house yet go ahead and buid a new stand knowing very well that if u did stay in the prem there would be less fans going because its worn off or if u did go down (as expected by most new teams in the prem) would lose
sevral thousand fans.

As I've just explained... You haven't had a full house either at Swansea this season, so does that mean you shouldn't expand? Your theory is hypocritical.

I think its bad management and money waisted .

I agree.

Building a team to compete should be priority rather then building a bigger stadium.

Agreed. But then we are talking about Tan here.

Bare in mind that staying in the prem gives u much more money then fans on seats.

Yep, right again.

But is that not a worry for u in your first season fans are buying tickets yet decided not to go.
We have experienced this the first time this season buton a small scale.
U on the othere hand have in your first season in the top flight for many a year.
What does that say about your coming seasons should u have stayed up?

And lets face it do u think its good business sence to spend millions on expanding when fans aint turning up as it is
Add to that it was allways going to be a big ask to stay in the prem and now u are going back to the champ with a bigger debt due to the cost and with more empty seats.