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Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:42 am

CardiffN wrote:I have been alot on this forum and im one of those who read more than i post. I like to see others opinions and see things from both sides.

I would like to state than i am not a fan of either managers work this year. Both have failed but i do support OGS 100% now, just like i supported Malky 100%.

I see many topics about stats on how Malky would kept us up, how OGS will keep us up/down and how bad transfers both have done. The reason i am making this post is because i saw a topic here discussing how Malky would have failed to keep us up based on facts.

Link: http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140562

Lets take a look behind the facts.

Malky ..... 4-5-9 13-28 17pts 0.944pts / game
Solskjaer . 3-3-10 16-37 12pts 0.750pts / game

What facts do we get here that we actually can agree on? I see some facts.

Malky got us more points. FACT
Malky had less goals against. FACT
OGS gets less points. FACT
OGS scores more goals. FACT
Both managers have failed to get enough points to secure the place so far. FACT

If we read those facts it shows Malky did a better job in his half of the season compared to what Ole has done so far when it comes to collecting points. But does it really show the whole picture?

Malky is jugded after 18 matches, Ole after 16. After the next 2 matches it can look better for Ole or even worse, we dont know yet.

Are there other factors we should look at if we shall compare both managers?

Knowledge:

Malky knew this team. He got them up, he took the good spirit with him from the championship and he had the loyalty of the players because many of them were his signings. Malky also had the whole pre season to make changes and prepare for PL.

Ole: Had to begin from scratch mid season without the knowledge on the players that we require from a manager. Was signed to play a certain type of football and he had to try and change the team to play his way before he could actually see if it works or not.

Conclusion: Malky had a huge advantage over Ole in his first half of the season.

Transfers:

Malky knew this team, he should know exactly what we needed to make our team stronger. Better inside knowledge on the team than what Malky had is not possible.
Malky budget: 50mill

Ole didn`t know this team before he had to sign players.
Ole budget: 5mill

Conclucion: Malky knew the team and still only got us 2 players that look able to play in PL. OGS signings is early to judge but imo Cala, Fabio and Dæhli will be good PL quality players and for 1/10 of the price Malky paid.

Fixture list:

Before Ole: 4 wins in 20 matches
Ole: 3 wins in 16 matches

Conclusion: We have looked like a relegation team the whole season and our form has continued almost identical under Ole.


Now lets look at the facts again:

Malky knew the team, had worked in his tactics over years, budget of 50mill, had bought many of the players and had pre season. FACT

Ole didn`t know the team, had to try to change the way we have played for years, budget of 5 mill, had only bought players based on a few weeks knowledge. FACT

When i look at those facts in the table again the work Malky did for us this season dont look so good anymore. He had all the time in the world to prepare for the season and still we only got 4 wins in 20 matches before Ole came in.
My verdict is that we would been relegated with Malky because when he couldn`t deliver better after so long time as manager how would he change that?

Ole has 3 wins in 16 matches. Less than impressive. Being a striker he still failed to see that Campbell/Jones aint the solution. Tried too long to find a team who could play his formation before he realised that our team only have a few players currently at PL quality.
My verdict is that we will be relegated with Ole as manager.

BUT i dont think Ole has done so bad if compared to Malky. Afterall Ole still has 2 matches left and if he ends up at 15 points from 18 matches i think that is impressive compared to Malky`s 17 in 18.

To end my post: Stats as Facts is a dangerous way too compare managers. There are too many things that can influence results to make a fair judgement on the persons who try their best to make us a great team.

There are some deeper stats that proves Nathan Blakes point, playing like we did first half of the season you will get found out and legs will get tired. But I'll leave it. What I get from your post is two conclusions. Either the team went up one year early, and the players did not yet develop to handle premier level, or Malky didn't recognise what material we needed for survival.
For Malkys style you need a Forward who can hold up the ball for others to join in attack. In Oles style you need defenders who can move the ball safely. Neither manager had the link in their playing styles, and that is horrendous with the money spent :o

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:29 pm

LongBall wrote:There are some deeper stats that proves Nathan Blakes point, playing like we did first half of the season you will get found out and legs will get tired. But I'll leave it. What I get from your post is two conclusions. Either the team went up one year early, and the players did not yet develop to handle premier level, or Malky didn't recognise what material we needed for survival.
For Malkys style you need a Forward who can hold up the ball for others to join in attack. In Oles style you need defenders who can move the ball safely. Neither manager had the link in their playing styles, and that is horrendous with the money spent :o


if you want to look at an effective defensive style you just have to look at Palace. Organised, big team, lots of pace on the counter attack and a forward that can hold up the ball. Under Malky we had no system except 10 men behind the ball and look for set pieces to score from. We didn't have any pace in the team until he finally decided to play Noone and even then it was too late. Malky failed to prepare us for the Premier League with poor signings in the summer that didn't address any of the problems we had in the championship which were clear to see.

I agree we were getting found out and its all good saying we had a harder run of fixtures at home but we also had a shocking away record which cost us dearly.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:00 pm

llandaffbluebird1 wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:FACT: Mackay won the games that we had to win at home.

Under Mackay we only played 2 games at home to sides that we were competing with (Bottom half) in the league and both of these were won (West Brom and Swansea). Under Ole we have only beat 2 out of the other 7 and been humiliated in a couple. This shows the difference in the two managers as even though Ole plays more attractive football, Mackay got the job done and when you are in a battle for survival that is all that matters. Mackay would have definitely picked up more points in these crunch games and these points would have been the difference and would have kept us up.



Newcastle were 11th when we played them :thumbup:

Also do home games only matter? Out of these fixtures we scored NONE and got 2 points;

West Ham
Norwich
Stoke
Aston Villa
Crystal Palace


To be fair it was the beginning of a great run of games for Newcastle that saw them nearly break into the top 6 and being 2-0 down at half time did we go on to lose 3 or 4 nil like we have been recently? No, we came back and nearly snatched a draw. I think you would have to agree that was the only bad result we had at home with him bar the Southampton game which was affected because of the Tan/Mackay situation.

As for the away games you have conveniently left the Fulham and Hull games off which would total to 6 points from those 7 away games which is respectable i would say given we were a team that picked the majority of points up at home. We may have scored 0 in the 5 games you have mentioned but we did not concede four like we did up at Sunderland. No home games do not only matter but we were stopping most of the teams around us from picking up maximum points at their grounds which was a great thing to be doing.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:09 pm

CardiffN wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:Mackay got the job done and when you are in a battle for survival that is all that matters. .


If MM got the job done, why did we only win 4 out of 20 in 2013? Malky did not get the job done, neither has Ole.

It scares me that City fans are proud and satisfied by the job MM did in PL.


Actually it was 4 out of 18 under Mackay and given we had Sunderland in the next game at home it could well of been 5 out of 19 leaving us on 20 points at the halfway stage in the season putting us right on track for the typical 40 point barrier. So yes the job that was needed to be done (survival) was being done very well.

How does it scare you? The man took us to the top flight for the first time in over 50 years and apart from the first day we had not been in the relegation zone so to me i was satisfied with job being done by him.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:16 pm

CCFCBluebirds wrote:
CardiffN wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:Mackay got the job done and when you are in a battle for survival that is all that matters. .


If MM got the job done, why did we only win 4 out of 20 in 2013? Malky did not get the job done, neither has Ole.

It scares me that City fans are proud and satisfied by the job MM did in PL.


Actually it was 4 out of 18 under Mackay and given we had Sunderland in the next game at home it could well of been 5 out of 19 leaving us on 20 points at the halfway stage in the season putting us right on track for the typical 40 point barrier. So yes the job that was needed to be done (survival) was being done very well.

How does it scare you? The man took us to the top flight for the first time in over 50 years and apart from the first day we had not been in the relegation zone so to me i was satisfied with job being done by him.


The season started good.

6 matches: 2 wins,2 draw and 2 losses. 6-7 in Goal diff.

Then we had no surprise factor left and we were easily countered on the tactic he had.

12 matches: 2 wins, 3 draw and 7 losses. 7-21 in goal diff.

You are completely right that we had not been in the relegation zone. But we were falling towards it at full speed and it was only a matter of time with Arsenal,City and Utd away in the coming matches.

One thing that annoys me with fans like you is that you keep dragging up that he got us promoted so you are satisfied with his work in the PL. Yes, well done but that was LAST season in the championship.

Campbell scored 7 in 12 last year. He got only 6 in 35 this season but if i follow your view on things i should be really happy with his scoring record in PL. Because he was so good last year.

We got promoted, dont mean shit to me this season. Malky did not deliver in PL and he had no counter once his tactic was common knowledge to our rivals.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:50 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:All I will say is if Malky or Ole were today applying for a managers job, I 100% reckon Malky would get the job before Ole every time without a doubt. :thumbup:


I disagree a lot of clubs will be very interested in this summer court case. Malky hasn't exactly left himself in a lot of glory with the signings he's made with a big budget.


I will state now that Malky will win the court case or at very worse Tan settles out of court to Malky :thumbup: :thumbup:


i've heard from someone quite high up in welsh football that it is unlikley malky will win this court case as there is some pretty damning evidence against him.

Apparently malky has tried to settle out of court but tan has refused. i didnt hear that from this guy though, i think i read that on here

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:04 pm

CardiffN wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
CardiffN wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:Mackay got the job done and when you are in a battle for survival that is all that matters. .


If MM got the job done, why did we only win 4 out of 20 in 2013? Malky did not get the job done, neither has Ole.

It scares me that City fans are proud and satisfied by the job MM did in PL.


Actually it was 4 out of 18 under Mackay and given we had Sunderland in the next game at home it could well of been 5 out of 19 leaving us on 20 points at the halfway stage in the season putting us right on track for the typical 40 point barrier. So yes the job that was needed to be done (survival) was being done very well.

How does it scare you? The man took us to the top flight for the first time in over 50 years and apart from the first day we had not been in the relegation zone so to me i was satisfied with job being done by him.


The season started good.

6 matches: 2 wins,2 draw and 2 losses. 6-7 in Goal diff.

Then we had no surprise factor left and we were easily countered on the tactic he had.

12 matches: 2 wins, 3 draw and 7 losses. 7-21 in goal diff.

You are completely right that we had not been in the relegation zone. But we were falling towards it at full speed and it was only a matter of time with Arsenal,City and Utd away in the coming matches.

One thing that annoys me with fans like you is that you keep dragging up that he got us promoted so you are satisfied with his work in the PL. Yes, well done but that was LAST season in the championship.

Campbell scored 7 in 12 last year. He got only 6 in 35 this season but if i follow your view on things i should be really happy with his scoring record in PL. Because he was so good last year.

We got promoted, dont mean shit to me this season. Malky did not deliver in PL and he had no counter once his tactic was common knowledge to our rivals.


Fair enough it does look like we went through a bad spell, but was it all that bad? It was 9 points from the 12 matches and when you look at who we played it looks like a good return.

The 12 matches included 4 games against top half sides at home and away matches at the bridge and anfield with 1 point coming from these 6 games. Our other 2 home games were big wins as ive already said against West Brom and Swansea. Then we have 4 away games against sides around us and i have to admit the results at palace and villa were very disappointing but there are always going to be bad results in the scrap for survival. So out of these 6 other games (being that 4 were away) we acquired 8 points which is a great return. If that is what is classed as our bad spell then im happy with it.

January's fixtures were daunting but with sunderland and west ham at home thrown into them i expect we would of kept ourselves above the drop zone before a great set of fixtures in February that could well of steered us away from trouble.

And yes his work last year should be considered because he took us up so why did he not get given the chance to keep us there when we had not had a serious threat of dropping into the relegation zone? In my opinion we were ticking along nicely..

As for Campbell, this is one thing MM got completely wrong, he needed an experienced goal scoring striker up with him or in place of him and unfortunately Odemwinge didn't work out and Cornelius was just awful.

As your for your last statement, that is nonsense. How do you know teams around us worked us out? West Brom certainly didnt and they were the last team around us that we played under MM.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 9:17 pm

Fair play lads this was a really good thread. It even managed to stay on track when the jack trolls tried to derail it!

My view is that neither managers covered themselves in glory. However I think it's crazy to lay as much blame at Ole's door as at Malky's.
Ole's biggest issues have been his constant tinkering, his failure to realise we need to earn the right to play, and his insistence in teaching an old dog new tricks in turning an user defensive team to an all out attack team overnight!

In my view Ole should have kept the same system as Malky but closed the gap between the midfield and the forwards.

I believe Malky made an absolute pigs year of pre season. At the beginning of last season he brought in players like Mutch, Noone, Kim and brought in Fraizer Campbell and Leon Barnett in January. All these have proven to represent good value for money. Barnett helped seal our promotion and I believe we would make a profit on the rest of those signings.

In January we were 11 points clear at the top of the championship so we had a pretty good idea which league we'd be playing in this season and I was convinced that Malky would have all his players lined up by the end of the season and it would be just a matter of waiting til the transfer windows to open for them to sign on the dotted line.
What happened in reality was that we chased players like Gomis and Oscar Cardozo for f**k sake who were way beyond our station!
Then we had the Tom Ince saga which run and run (while Nathan Redmond who is Jordon Mutch best mate and was 5 million cheaper than Ince went to Norwich!)

We ended up signing 2 right backs even though Malky told us in every interview about his dossiers!!! The was no excuse for the Brayford disaster as Malky managed in the same league as him for the previous 4 seasons!

I'm not gonna go through this season's signings one by one but even Malky's biggest fan would have to admit that Malky's work in the transfer market this pre season was pathetic compared to the season before.
He failed to address any of our issues from last season. No new striker which even those with very little football knowledge could see we were crying out for! No new number 10 to pull the strings in midfield and make things happen. No new left back! And no pace added to a side with very little.

I believe the fact that we had difficult home fixtures at the beginning of the season suited Malky perfectly as the only way Malky knew how to set a team up was to defend. Those teams were bound to come at us and our team spirit plus the cup final factor in those games got us through.
The only game where I genuinely believe we looked the better side at home was against Swansea (but I honestly think they just didn't want it as much as us) and maybe West Bromwich who were woeful and I believe we're trying to get Steve Clarke the sack.

Malky never once addressed the gap between the midfield and our striker which was usually about 20 yards.

Lastly I will say that Tan should never have brought out our dirty laundry in public like he did this season but in the end Malky was playing as much of a game as Tan and his press conference on Xmas eve to tell the world that Tan isn't talking to him was an absolute disgrace and was the day I lost a lot of respect for Malky!

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 9:55 pm

MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 11:01 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working) and when Ole came in looking to play a more attacking style the players in the squad did not suit. Also think Ole is getting a lot of unnecessary criticism as it is never an easy job to come in half way through the season and in the way that he did.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 11:11 pm

CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working) and when Ole came in looking to play a more attacking style the players in the squad did not suit. Also think Ole is getting a lot of unnecessary criticism as it is never an easy job to come in half way through the season and in the way that he did.


If you call working getting blown apart 3-0 in 30 minutes v Southampton and losing 2-0 away to Palace because MM was incredibly naive. On course to stay up, we wouldn't have even picked up a win under him if he was here let alone stay up.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 11:19 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working) and when Ole came in looking to play a more attacking style the players in the squad did not suit. Also think Ole is getting a lot of unnecessary criticism as it is never an easy job to come in half way through the season and in the way that he did.


If you call working getting blown apart 3-0 in 30 minutes v Southampton and losing 2-0 away to Palace because MM was incredibly naive. On course to stay up, we wouldn't have even picked up a win under him if he was here let alone stay up.


That is what you call nonsense :laughing5: . Basing his transfers in two results, probably the only very bad two out of his time in the prem. And then saying we would not of won again :lol: :lol: :lol: pretty much says it all...

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Thu May 01, 2014 11:39 pm

CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working) and when Ole came in looking to play a more attacking style the players in the squad did not suit. Also think Ole is getting a lot of unnecessary criticism as it is never an easy job to come in half way through the season and in the way that he did.


If you call working getting blown apart 3-0 in 30 minutes v Southampton and losing 2-0 away to Palace because MM was incredibly naive. On course to stay up, we wouldn't have even picked up a win under him if he was here let alone stay up.


That is what you call nonsense :laughing5: . Basing his transfers in two results, probably the only very bad two out of his time in the prem. And then saying we would not of won again :lol: :lol: :lol: pretty much says it all...


If you call spending 50 million just hovering above relegation good then you need a head check.

Malky would have most likely not won, he never changed his tactics or style, naive manager who has a good personality and speaks well, offers nothing footballing wise.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 12:11 am

DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


Loan or not the likes of Zaha don't come cheap. Ole brought in more players in that transfer window than any other Premiership manager and also Ole had the full support of the owner and had a full backroom staff to help his cause. Malkey had to work under very difficult circumstances with Tan watching his every move and he lost his assistant manager early in the season.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 12:44 am

Jackyork wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


Loan or not the likes of Zaha don't come cheap. Ole brought in more players in that transfer window than any other Premiership manager and also Ole had the full support of the owner and had a full backroom staff to help his cause. Malkey had to work under very difficult circumstances with Tan watching his every move and he lost his assistant manager early in the season.



Bollocks. Kerslake left in January.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 12:53 pm

jackf wrote:Milky p18 w4 d5 l9 f 13 a 28 pts 17 ppg 0.94
Ogs p16 w3 d3 l10 f 16 a 37 pts 12 ppg 0.75

Monk p12 w4 d3 l5 f22 a17 pts 15 ppg 1.25

Looks like the novice wins hands down.

and yet you all take the pi55 out of super gary monk.


What a load of shite. That junkie looking mofo monk simply set you up the way you are used to. The way he learned how swansea play when he was a player.

You take the junkie and put him in charge at Cardiff or Palace when they were at the bottom with no hope and theres no way he'd have a ppg ratio of 1.25. No chance.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 1:45 pm

DandoCCFC wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working) and when Ole came in looking to play a more attacking style the players in the squad did not suit. Also think Ole is getting a lot of unnecessary criticism as it is never an easy job to come in half way through the season and in the way that he did.


If you call working getting blown apart 3-0 in 30 minutes v Southampton and losing 2-0 away to Palace because MM was incredibly naive. On course to stay up, we wouldn't have even picked up a win under him if he was here let alone stay up.


That is what you call nonsense :laughing5: . Basing his transfers in two results, probably the only very bad two out of his time in the prem. And then saying we would not of won again :lol: :lol: :lol: pretty much says it all...


If you call spending 50 million just hovering above relegation good then you need a head check.

Malky would have most likely not won, he never changed his tactics or style, naive manager who has a good personality and speaks well, offers nothing footballing wise.


Firstly how do you know it was 50 million? Most news reports including sky had our spending at about 30-32 million. This money was spent with the aim of survival so yes hovering above the relagation zone was good enough :thumbup:

Does Pulis change his style? Hull play the exact same way we did, stuck with Bruce and there as good as safe now which shows that the tactics don't need to be changed. And if he offers nothing footballing wise how has he won a league?,Taken us to a cup final as a championship side? And took us to the playoffs in his first season when we began as relegation favorites?

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 2:42 pm

I think Malky should have been given the whole season regardless of where we were. Malky had us on course to avoid relegation after getting most of the top teams at home out of the way.

Don't get me wrong, now that OGS is here he will get my full support and he will get my backing next season in the championship, but for people to say OGS has done better than Malky is laughable in my opinion.

Not once were we humilated under Malky like we have been on a number of occasions under OGS, and is the football that much better to watch under ole??? I don't believe its any better at all.

I've said this before on here, but didnt dave jones say that "you could bring the champions league football to south wales and people would still have something to moan about" (somthing along thoughs lines). And he was right. I just wonder how many of you on here slating Malky off were singing the malky song before he was sacked!!

The only fault that Malky had was spending a lot of money on potentialy poor players, but who knows how Corny might have turned out second half of the season (better than Kenwyne Jones). Maybe Malky had shane long lined up before hull went in for him?

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 2:50 pm

Mikey27 wrote: Malky had us on course to avoid relegation


No he didnt.


Mikey27 wrote: Not once were we humilated under Malky


Southampton at home, and most certainly Palace away, while stoke away exposed his lack of managerial ability at this level.

Mikey27 wrote: The only fault that Malky had was spending a lot of money on potentialy poor players, but who knows how Corny might have turned out second half of the season (better than Kenwyne Jones).


thats the thing though, Malky himself said he wasnt ready for premier league football (while picking up 45k a week btw )

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 3:10 pm

CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working)


You have to look at the warning signs. Malky had spent 50mill to make us solid in defence but in the last 12 matches before he was sacked he had 2 wins and 7-21 in goal difference. We had the second worst defence in the league and that was supposed to be our strength this year.

And yes, Malky could have sorted that in the January window but do any of us honestly believe that Tan would given Malky a pound more to invest in attacking players after the failure in the summer? Malky would most likely gone through the window without signing anyone unless he sold someone to finance it.

Being defensive worked great in the championship. But lets take a quick look at the difference in attacking quality. These are the top scorers in PL and last years Championship.

In Premier League we are up against attackers like: Suarez, Sturridge, Rooney, Aguero, Giroud+++
In Championship we met: Glen Murray, Jordan Rhodes, Charlie Austin, Chris Wood, Troy Deeney +++

Malky chose the wrong tactic my friend. Setting us up to be defensive and aim at 1-0 wins wont work against Strikers of that quality, they always find a way to punish the simplest of errors in defence. And when we had none to score the goals Malky had no other strings to play on.

We were falling towards the bottom under Malky and i wish he would have stayed longer so he got sacked while he was in the relegation zone. Not because i dont like Malkyu, but because i believe it would been better for the club and Ole because he would not been seen as the man who got us down there, but the man who failed to take us out of there.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 3:31 pm

For me the season was all over when Tan made the unilateral decision to sack MM's right hand man Moody.
I'm sure this made a huge Impact and totally undermined Malky. Until that point we had 2 wins and 2 draws from our 7 games.
This would give MM a respectable 1.14 per game, or 43 points from 38 games if it had continued at the same rate for the remainder of the season!

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 3:32 pm

CardiffN wrote:
CCFCBluebirds wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


And i don't think you notice that the '50 million blown' was on course to stay up before tan started tinkering. People are being incredibly harsh on Mackay as he bought the players for his defensive style (which was working)


You have to look at the warning signs. Malky had spent 50mill to make us solid in defence but in the last 12 matches before he was sacked he had 2 wins and 7-21 in goal difference. We had the second worst defence in the league and that was supposed to be our strength this year.

And yes, Malky could have sorted that in the January window but do any of us honestly believe that Tan would given Malky a pound more to invest in attacking players after the failure in the summer? Malky would most likely gone through the window without signing anyone unless he sold someone to finance it.

Being defensive worked great in the championship. But lets take a quick look at the difference in attacking quality. These are the top scorers in PL and last years Championship.

In Premier League we are up against attackers like: Suarez, Sturridge, Rooney, Aguero, Giroud+++
In Championship we met: Glen Murray, Jordan Rhodes, Charlie Austin, Chris Wood, Troy Deeney +++

Malky chose the wrong tactic my friend. Setting us up to be defensive and aim at 1-0 wins wont work against Strikers of that quality, they always find a way to punish the simplest of errors in defence. And when we had none to score the goals Malky had no other strings to play on.

We were falling towards the bottom under Malky and i wish he would have stayed longer so he got sacked while he was in the relegation zone. Not because i dont like Malkyu, but because i believe it would been better for the club and Ole because he would not been seen as the man who got us down there, but the man who failed to take us out of there.

Agree with your post.The game away to Norwich was a real eye opener. I know it's a common cliche about parking the bus but this was embarrassing how we got a point I don't know but you could see then that when we came up against a more potent strike force we were going to come unstuck. I don't believe he could have sorted our defence out in January his love of Andrew Taylor for a start would have meant our worst full back playing to often.

Re: Malky VS Ole. Stats and Facts anyone?

Fri May 02, 2014 11:25 pm

Jackyork wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:MM squad and Ole inherited.

Ole had limited funds due to MM blowing 50 million, I don't think our supporters notice this.


Loan or not the likes of Zaha don't come cheap. Ole brought in more players in that transfer window than any other Premiership manager and also Ole had the full support of the owner and had a full backroom staff to help his cause. Malkey had to work under very difficult circumstances with Tan watching his every move and he lost his assistant manager early in the season.


Full support of the owner? He had limited funds due to Malky f**king us over. Malky was being watched because he blew 40-50 million and played sh*te Football.

I apologise for being honest and saying it how it is.