' Vincent Tan needs to start sorting debt out '

Wez, I totally agree many fans 'accepted' the rebrand for a debt free club and Tan must sort it out soon.

But people aren't accepting the rebrand. They are protesting and wearing blue in their thousands.

That's a good thing by the way however you could see why Tan would have reservations.

They are wearing blue, but not protesting. Well maybe for 60 seconds each game before going back to supporting his creation.

Lets not forget blue are your away colours. To wear what is sold in the club shop is not a protest, but a decision on principle.

Actually, the wearing of the traditional BLUE by so many IS as big a passive protest as the paying supporters can possibly make and is also the least disruptive. It has a highly visible effect and no-one (not even Vincent Tan) can miss the message it sends out to the club's hierarchy AND the footballing world

Many (including me) have always stated that the wearing of the traditional BLUE is the only genuinely viable form of 'protest' unless, of course, you are advocating less savoury and/or more sinister actions?

Violence in NEVER an option, the 'marches' have (in reality) had little effect other than to highlight (certainly not resolve) the grievances Cardiff City FC supporters have, and (with a couple of exceptional individuals) the boycotting of games is simply not palatable to those of us who genuinely love the club and can see Tan as the temporary Guardian of our club that he is. That simple FACT (Tan as temporary Guardian) is exactly the same position that any other Owner/Chairman is in (even the much lauded Syr Huw ap Jenkins) and eventually they all leave

Annis quite rightly says that we should be 'concerned' by the non-conversion of "debt to equity" for a number of reasons, most prominent of which is the FACT that he said he would do it some time ago but hasn't, and that it leaves a certain 'uncertainty' surrounding Tan's commitment to the club long-term. It needs 'clearing up' and it needs it done sooner rather than later for the sake of ALL concerned, i.e. owner, Board, other stakeholders and paying supporters

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Never listened to anything tan said never trusted his word from the off.

Never wanted a rebranded club even if debts were payed off.problem is most people accepted it only on the grounds we would be debt free.
We are not debt free infact tan took over with I think 35 mill debt which we all new was bad then no its up to 120 mill or more with court cases under way for x managers along with the total circus of a way the club is and has been run.

To top it all off we play in red which hurts to my core every time I see it.

Cant wait till tans time is up the sooner the better for me haven't enjoyed the club as I should with him here and my club is in more trouble now then ever before and its deaply worrying times.

Most gave tan a chance you have to eat humble pie now and admit the tit is a disrespectful nutcase who hasn't a clue about football and I mean clueless big time.the business side of the club is being left to run up huge debt and is a ticking time bomb.

Tan out big time for me

Wez, I totally agree many fans 'accepted' the rebrand for a debt free club and Tan must sort it out soon.

But people aren't accepting the rebrand. They are protesting and wearing blue in their thousands.

That's a good thing by the way however you could see why Tan would have reservations.

The fans don't have to accept it. Tan got his way and we now play in red at home and have a poorly designed badge. This was supposed to be a masterplan to increase awareness and sales in the Asian market. There was never a condition that the fans had to accept it.

So be a man of your word and honourable, convert the debt that is owed to you into equity.

portsmouth here we come..if we survive that is..

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Hmmmm, it certainly IS a protest!

Not disputing your figures though, nor suggesting you are advocating violence

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Protest

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Why does the debt to equity matter apart from another stick to beat Tan with?

The club has a value whether in debt to Tan or in shares owned by Tan.

If anyone wants to buy the club the value remains the same. They buy out the debt to Tan (a bit like Tan did with Sam) or they buy the shares off Tan.

In all honesty the debt is better to deal with as it can be negotiated down just like with Langston. The threat of administration certainly focuses negotiations.

Even if Tan asset strips in order to recoup the debt we still end up where most of us want to be, without Tan and ready to build again.

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Protest

That wasnt a protest against Tan. It was a celebration of blue according to the organisers. Any Tan out material was not welcome.

Considering Tan has made it clear you will not be blue under him then its clear that Tan is wanted more than the blue.

Hence why it is not a protest. The fact its been two years and there is still barely a peep says it all.

Michael Isaacs is the hold up. Sooner he stops clowning around the better

Tan is the hold up.He is a corrupt liar bully and cheat.Anyone who believes a word he say's is very very gullible.Maybe Isaacs knows this and is stalling so as to help get rid of Tan before he totaly destroys our club. TAN OUT.

Michael Isaacs is the hold up. Sooner he stops clowning around the better

Tan is the hold up.He is a corrupt liar bully and cheat.Anyone who believes a word he say's is very very gullible.Maybe Isaacs knows this and is stalling so as to help get rid of Tan before he totaly destroys our club. TAN OUT.

You think Isaacs is doing it for the sake of the club????

Thats the funniest thing ive read today.

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Protest

That wasnt a protest against Tan. It was a celebration of blue according to the organisers. Any Tan out material was not welcome.

Considering Tan has made it clear you will not be blue under him then its clear that Tan is wanted more than the blue.

Hence why it is not a protest. The fact its been two years and there is still barely a peep says it all.

Is this Roath bloke typing on a MENTAL HOSPITAL ward computer.If its not a protest'then why do people carry flags when they march to downing st ect.Now go and take your meds.

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

As for the debt to equity, it will never happen. Think about it, give a reason as to why it would be done and not simply because he said he would... He said that when the debt to him was £30m and he only owned 40%. He now owns 90% and is owed £100m.

It makes no sense.

Protest

That wasnt a protest against Tan. It was a celebration of blue according to the organisers. Any Tan out material was not welcome.

Considering Tan has made it clear you will not be blue under him then its clear that Tan is wanted more than the blue.

Hence why it is not a protest. The fact its been two years and there is still barely a peep says it all.

Is this Roath bloke typing on a MENTAL HOSPITAL ward computer.If its not a protest'then why do people carry flags when they march to downing st ect.Now go and take your meds.

What?

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

Yet only the other day you posted on here highlighting a report that Petty had rocks thrown at him using the article to give the impression our protests are pointless but we need to revert to such behaviour.

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

Yet only the other day you posted on here highlighting a report that Petty had rocks thrown at him using the article to give the impression our protests are pointless but we need to revert to such behaviour.

Rocks thrown at him? News to me.

You coudnt oossibly have made that up could you?

Like I said, it is certainly a display of principle - but it is not a protest. I have never suggested violence, ever. We didnt use violence to get petty out - yet didnt passively watch our club go under either..

Yet only the other day you posted on here highlighting a report that Petty had rocks thrown at him using the article to give the impression our protests are pointless but we need to revert to such behaviour.

Rocks thrown at him? News to me.

You coudnt oossibly have made that up could you?

Nope I dont make things up.

I don't change my goalposts to try and get one up on someone either.

you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

:laughing6: you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

Well I can't be arsed to search through all your posts.

I dont lie and I never said you beat up your fiancee....thats if you do have one....

:laughing6: you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

Well I can't be arsed to search through all your posts.

I dont lie and I never said you beat up your fiancee....thats if you do have one....

Two lies in one post... And it was only 2 sentences long

:laughing6: you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

Well I can't be arsed to search through all your posts.

I dont lie and I never said you beat up your fiancee....thats if you do have one....

Two lies in one post... And it was only 2 sentences long

You know Philip we agreed to close that subject but you changed your mind to suit your agenda. I proved this by posting the messages between the two of us.

Now I see the same behaviour where you change your mind/goalposts to suit your agenda.

You have accused me of being unbalanced when clearly you are.

:laughing6: you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

Well I can't be arsed to search through all your posts.

I dont lie and I never said you beat up your fiancee....thats if you do have one....

Two lies in one post... And it was only 2 sentences long

You know Philip we agreed to close that subject but you changed your mind to suit your agenda. I proved this by posting the messages between the two of us.

Now I see the same behaviour where you change your mind/goalposts to suit your agenda.

You have accused me of being unbalanced when clearly you are.

I didnt agree to anything, i told you i would be happy to close the subject - which I was. I assumed you learned from your mistakes and we would move on.

Since then it seems lessons werent learned at all, you banned people for making up petty things while condemning such actions while continuing to lie and show no remorse for your sickening accusations.

Apologise and I may consider it. But with that apology I would also need you to understand that while im on this board (which is for as long as I see fit) then i wont stand for your nonsense, ever

Balls in your court Ian.

:laughing6: you made up that i beat up my finacee and then deleted the thread when everyone called you out on it. You are one of the biggest liars on here Ian.

Dont have a link to your latest lie about rocks thrown at petty do you?... What am I saying, of course you dont

Well I can't be arsed to search through all your posts.

I dont lie and I never said you beat up your fiancee....thats if you do have one....

Two lies in one post... And it was only 2 sentences long

You know Philip we agreed to close that subject but you changed your mind to suit your agenda. I proved this by posting the messages between the two of us.

Now I see the same behaviour where you change your mind/goalposts to suit your agenda.

You have accused me of being unbalanced when clearly you are.

I didnt agree to anything, i told you i would be happy to close the subject - which I was. I assumed you learned from your mistakes and we would move on.

Since then it seems lessons werent learned at all, you banned people for making up petty things while condemning such actions while continuing to lie and show no remorse for your sickening accusations.

Apologise and I may consider it. But with that apology I would also need you to understand that while im on this board (which is for as long as I see fit) then i wont stand for your nonsense, ever

Balls in your court Ian.

you really are one unbalanced individual.

Says the man who makes up that other people hit their partners because hes been made to look a fool

Sorry pal, step out of line and you will be told. You get no free rides with me

Says the man who makes up that other people hit their partners because hes been made to look a fool

Sorry pal, step out of line and you will be told. You get no free rides with me

Oh dear Philips getting a bit woundup.

Am I? Have I sworn then? have I lied? Have I lashed out?

No. Ive just told you how it is.

People usually say that stuff when they are getting angry, you are a prime example. No ban button to hide behind anymore

Step out of line and get shown up to be a fool - deal with it

Am I? Have I sworn then? have I lied? Have I lashed out?

No. Ive just told you how it is.

People usually say that stuff when they are getting angry, you are a prime example. No ban button to hide behind anymore

Step out of line and get shown up to be a fool - deal with it

Philip you just cant see it can you.

The fact you cant admit your ever wrong, the fact you keep demanding apologies, the fact you act the big guy behind your keyboard half way around the world, the fact you must have the last say is the best one.

You might think you are ahead of everyone and the more you go on you will eventually convince yourself but to everyone else well you are just boring the tits off us.

Am I? Have I sworn then? have I lied? Have I lashed out?

No. Ive just told you how it is.

People usually say that stuff when they are getting angry, you are a prime example. No ban button to hide behind anymore

Step out of line and get shown up to be a fool - deal with it

Philip you just cant see it can you.

The fact you cant admit your ever wrong, the fact you keep demanding apologies, the fact you act the big guy behind your keyboard half way around the world, the fact you must have the last say is the best one.

You might think you are ahead of everyone and the more you go on you will eventually convince yourself but to everyone else well you are just boring the tits off us.

im not demanding anything. Im just telling you how it is. Apologise and I may give you some slack, act appropriately and I may give you some slack.... Otherwise stop crying when I show you up. Simple as that.

Boring? maybe. Id be bored if someone was right the amount of times I was too

Again, deal with it half baked

Am I? Have I sworn then? have I lied? Have I lashed out?

No. Ive just told you how it is.

People usually say that stuff when they are getting angry, you are a prime example. No ban button to hide behind anymore

Step out of line and get shown up to be a fool - deal with it

Philip you just cant see it can you.

The fact you cant admit your ever wrong, the fact you keep demanding apologies, the fact you act the big guy behind your keyboard half way around the world, the fact you must have the last say is the best one.

You might think you are ahead of everyone and the more you go on you will eventually convince yourself but to everyone else well you are just boring the tits off us.

im not demanding anything. Im just telling you how it is. Apologise and I may give you some slack, act appropriately and I may give you some slack.... Otherwise stop crying when I show you up. Simple as that.

Boring? maybe. Id be bored if someone was right the amount of times I was too

Again, deal with it half baked

You know what Philip I don't need to deal with anything on here because I just don't take it seriously. I'm only replying to you because I've got nothing better to do. As for demanding an apology well I advise you to not keep taking anything on here seriously.

Anyway I'm olff out now so I'll let you have your last say as I would not like you to get suicidal over this.

I don't take anything as anything.

Im here to discuss football. If someone acts like a dick then i tell them, moderator or not, much to your annoyance.

If I was on here to not be serious then the last thing i would do in jest is make up vile things about violent home lives.

The fact is you take it more serious than anyone, hence you feel the need to stoop to the above.

I was going to say quit while you are behind, im glad to see you decided to

And while we keep booing him every game and him with the blue chart he will hurry to do this why?

More likely he will sell the best players, take the parachute payments and walk.

Perhaps if Tan made good on his promise to erase the debt then he would avoid much of the ill feeling towards him. I am glad that Wez is finally taking his head out of the sand and seeing Tan for what he is. Tan will not convert the debt to equity as most fans hope for and will only consolidate our finances as part of the sale process just prior to him bailing out.

Exactly how I see it.