Come on then Tan. Training session. See how many come!

With this 5000 figure being thrown about, did they actually count the number of heads there? Or did they do the standard, "any ticket given out is a person in attendance".

I dont have to deal with anything. I know what local means. Its ok with me if you wish to change the definition to suit your argument.

You do, you need to deal with the fact Cardiff are my local side

Its not an argument, it was my initial point - you THEN turned it into an argument. My view of what a local side is hasn't changed once and Cardiff are most certainly mine.

Thats fine. If you feel the need to change the Oxford English dictionary to feel correct, then you crack on.

Thats fine. If you feel the need to change the Oxford English dictionary to feel correct, then you crack on.

Local:
relating or restricted to a particular area or one's neighbourhood.

Roath is very much my manor

With this 5000 figure being thrown about, did they actually count the number of heads there? Or did they do the standard, "any ticket given out is a person in attendance".

There wasnt any tickets. They were turnsyle entries.

Thats fine. If you feel the need to change the Oxford English dictionary to feel correct, then you crack on.

Local:
relating or restricted to a particular area or one's neighbourhood.

Roath is very much my manor

You live in Oz, apology accepted.

You live in Oz, apology accepted.

I do currently yes. But my main home is in Cardiff hence ive lived there for 7 of the last 10 years.

Apology accepted.

Well done Craig!

If the exact situation happened at any other club it would be accepted the same way, just as the name change has been at Hull (a season ticket vote saw a slight victory for 'yes').

Cardiff had no future without Tan, we have one with him. Those who truly care for this club want to see it survive and prosper.

All Roathie cares about is winding people up, which he does to slight success on here.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

Why would you want an open training session at this time in the season. The team and club have more important things on their mind.

Suffice to say an open training session at the start of the season would see a lot more than 5k turn up as it did a few years back when we were still at Ninian Park.

You are letting the resident troll get under your skin.

You may be right about our resident troll skip!!

I've opened a can of worms here.

Your point is really valid but our non-kissing cousins up the road have only just had their open training session. They have other things to do too, but what they don't have is an expanding stadium yet. We do, yet season tickets sales are, let's be honest, poor. Wouldn't an open day or something sell a few???

We can't keep bragging our club up as a bigger club when we can't drum up trade. I know it may sound traitorous but I'd like to see a lot more proactive, positivity from the club. Beating the jacks as OGS said would be great but it shouldn't be the focus. Our success should be.

Like I said, I agree with you but we can do more.

Im amazed after 2 years of rebrand and tripled debt there still hasnt been any major opposition to Tan. In fact it astounds me.

It's because Cardiff Fans care more about Swansea than they do their own team. This is highlighted by thread after thread after thread about Swansea on a Cardiff City forum. It is also highlighted by the reluctance to do anything for 2 years, accepting the rebrand in order for financial injection to catch up with Swansea and even after Tan said CARDIFF WILL NOT GO BACK TO BLUE UNDER HIM that Cardiff fans still refused to allow a Tan out message at the most recent protest. Cardiff City football club is a joke and the fans are quickly becoming a joke also.

Mario and tan out are spot on.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

Factually incorrect Mario-he did save us,its all a matter of record.He saved the club from oblivion,not just administration as it wasn't an option.We were trading insolvent.And there was no-one else.Hard to swallow I know.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

You know full well what Mario is trying to say but your picking on one single word to bury your head in the sand and to rubbish his whole post. Swap ''history'' for ''identity'' which I'm sure you knew anyway.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

I see what you mean. History is just that and can't be lost, but I see what you're on about. History and tradition are being swept aside.

I don't agree that the club is on its last legs though. We just had a year in top flight, beating the likes of Man C and Southampton. Hardly division 4 is it?

The shame is that the money man has his hands on policy. That is the biggest problem here. We were a very competitive Championship side with no need of huge money. Gradual drip feeding was what we required. The cash in was nice, but what about continuity (Malky), identity (Blue to red) and most of all, appeal? We need to sell seats for next season. Simple as that. Mine was in the bag ages ago. Plastics are walking away in a bigger march than we had for Blue! Mind you, you can argue, who needs that sort of fan, but the truth is, Tan has failed to keep these people interested.

Our club isn't dead. It is on the brink of greatness if we can get some sense through to Mr. High-Trousers. Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need. Maybe it is Tan In - Tan embracing our identity as it was, Tan being a fan, not a spoilt brat who can't take criticism or accept responsibility for a lack of success.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

I see what you mean. History is just that and can't be lost, but I see what you're on about. History and tradition are being swept aside.

I don't agree that the club is on its last legs though. We just had a year in top flight, beating the likes of Man C and Southampton. Hardly division 4 is it?

The shame is that the money man has his hands on policy. That is the biggest problem here. We were a very competitive Championship side with no need of huge money. Gradual drip feeding was what we required. The cash in was nice, but what about continuity (Malky), identity (Blue to red) and most of all, appeal? We need to sell seats for next season. Simple as that. Mine was in the bag ages ago. Plastics are walking away in a bigger march than we had for Blue! Mind you, you can argue, who needs that sort of fan, but the truth is, Tan has failed to keep these people interested.

Our club isn't dead. It is on the brink of greatness if we can get some sense through to Mr. High-Trousers. Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need. Maybe it is Tan In - Tan embracing our identity as it was, Tan being a fan, not a spoilt brat who can't take criticism or accept responsibility for a lack of success.

Brink of greatness? Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need? We are almost relegated which will put us in a worse situation than when Tan arrived and he also said we will NEVER go back to Blue. stop burying your head in the sand.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

You know full well what Mario is trying to say but your picking on one single word to bury your head in the sand and to rubbish his whole post. Swap ''history'' for ''identity'' which I'm sure you knew anyway.

Irrelevant. He should say factually correct things. Not my fault if he can't.

My head is not buried anywhere. I am fully aware of the situation and am happy with the stance I have taken. It seems those that keep bleeting on about it can't accept the fact that most people think differently to themselves.

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

I see what you mean. History is just that and can't be lost, but I see what you're on about. History and tradition are being swept aside.

I don't agree that the club is on its last legs though. We just had a year in top flight, beating the likes of Man C and Southampton. Hardly division 4 is it?

The shame is that the money man has his hands on policy. That is the biggest problem here. We were a very competitive Championship side with no need of huge money. Gradual drip feeding was what we required. The cash in was nice, but what about continuity (Malky), identity (Blue to red) and most of all, appeal? We need to sell seats for next season. Simple as that. Mine was in the bag ages ago. Plastics are walking away in a bigger march than we had for Blue! Mind you, you can argue, who needs that sort of fan, but the truth is, Tan has failed to keep these people interested.

Our club isn't dead. It is on the brink of greatness if we can get some sense through to Mr. High-Trousers. Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need. Maybe it is Tan In - Tan embracing our identity as it was, Tan being a fan, not a spoilt brat who can't take criticism or accept responsibility for a lack of success.

Brink of greatness? Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need? We are almost relegated which will put us in a worse situation than when Tan arrived and he also said we will NEVER go back to Blue. stop burying your head in the sand.

How else do we proceed? If Tan leaves, he will call in the debts and we will defo go to the wall. I know in an ideal world, his departure would be great, but realistically, it would be curtains for us. I don't think my head is in the sand. I'm trying to be pragmatic. I'm also BLUE and will never wear red. I also hate the badge, which belongs on a national shirt. I hate the fact that the only concession we have achieved is a small BLUEBIRD which looks like an afterthought (which is exactly what it is).

I still believe we can be a safe and respected PL club, but not yet. It will take a lot more graft and hardship, including maybe relegation. I just hope we have learned some lessons this year.

So basically he has transferred all the debt cardiff owe to himself, so he will have a gun to cardiffs head for an extremly long time.

I'd rather go bankrupt, go down the leagues and build our way back up.

He has gone for boom or bust tactics instead of building a financially stable club.

Even when we win games I struggle to feel happy as I know he owns us.

So basically he has transferred all the debt cardiff owe to himself, so he will have a gun to cardiffs head for an extremly long time.

I'd rather go bankrupt, go down the leagues and build our way back up.

He has gone for boom or bust tactics instead of building a financially stable club.

Even when we win games I struggle to feel happy as I know he owns us.

Dont go then and save yourself the anguish

So basically he has transferred all the debt cardiff owe to himself, so he will have a gun to cardiffs head for an extremly long time.

I'd rather go bankrupt, go down the leagues and build our way back up.

He has gone for boom or bust tactics instead of building a financially stable club.

Even when we win games I struggle to feel happy as I know he owns us.

every club is owned by someone

Tan didn't save anything.

A buyer would have been found regardless. Just we were found by a total kent.

We are in a worse financial standing now than before him. We have lost our history and any credibility we ever had.

If you think what we have now is prospering you need to sectioned.

We are dying as a club.

How have we lost our history? Stupid statement to make.

I see what you mean. History is just that and can't be lost, but I see what you're on about. History and tradition are being swept aside.

I don't agree that the club is on its last legs though. We just had a year in top flight, beating the likes of Man C and Southampton. Hardly division 4 is it?

The shame is that the money man has his hands on policy. That is the biggest problem here. We were a very competitive Championship side with no need of huge money. Gradual drip feeding was what we required. The cash in was nice, but what about continuity (Malky), identity (Blue to red) and most of all, appeal? We need to sell seats for next season. Simple as that. Mine was in the bag ages ago. Plastics are walking away in a bigger march than we had for Blue! Mind you, you can argue, who needs that sort of fan, but the truth is, Tan has failed to keep these people interested.

Our club isn't dead. It is on the brink of greatness if we can get some sense through to Mr. High-Trousers. Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need. Maybe it is Tan In - Tan embracing our identity as it was, Tan being a fan, not a spoilt brat who can't take criticism or accept responsibility for a lack of success.

Brink of greatness? Maybe Tan Out is not what we realistically need? We are almost relegated which will put us in a worse situation than when Tan arrived and he also said we will NEVER go back to Blue. stop burying your head in the sand.

How else do we proceed? If Tan leaves, he will call in the debts and we will defo go to the wall. I know in an ideal world, his departure would be great, but realistically, it would be curtains for us. I don't think my head is in the sand. I'm trying to be pragmatic. I'm also BLUE and will never wear red. I also hate the badge, which belongs on a national shirt. I hate the fact that the only concession we have achieved is a small BLUEBIRD which looks like an afterthought (which is exactly what it is).

I still believe we can be a safe and respected PL club, but not yet. It will take a lot more graft and hardship, including maybe relegation. I just hope we have learned some lessons this year.

Can you give me more details on the debts. Yes if tan goes we still owe him the money but Loans are usually paid back over a period of time. I'm unsure what this timeframe is but I'd be pretty suprised if Tan can just call in the debts. Until someone can offer me specific details of how these debts would affect us I refuse to believe that without Tan we are liquidated.

Yes.

But we owe Tan more than what the club is worth.

He harps on about how he has invested 100 million into the club, when he should have used the 100 million to pay of the debts.

I will go to games because it is Cardiff, doesn't mean I have to bum Tan for doing something he hasn't done.

Yes.

But we owe Tan more than what the club is worth.

He harps on about how he has invested 100 million into the club, when he should have used the 100 million to pay of the debts.

I will go to games because it is Cardiff, doesn't mean I have to bum Tan for doing something he hasn't done.

He has paid off the debts. We owe it to him not third parties now.

Funny, you're concerned about money yet defend the man that wasted £50m on players that are never worth it.

Why do you even care what they do. Would you worry for one of there players got some deadly disease. I f*cking wouldn't.
How many people have turned out for there promotion celebrations compared to ours its a lot less.
How many did we have at the stadium when the stadium was refurbished etc. Christ its a free day out in a place with very little to do. Do there players actually care about the fans etc cos according to the the jacks I've had the displeasure of speaking to they don't have the passion.
Christ there not a great team the just a average prem team they will never be league winners for Christ sake and if you've ever been to Swansea you would know why they turned up

Yes.

But we owe Tan more than what the club is worth.

He harps on about how he has invested 100 million into the club, when he should have used the 100 million to pay of the debts.

I will go to games because it is Cardiff, doesn't mean I have to bum Tan for doing something he hasn't done.

He has paid off the debts. We owe it to him not third parties now.

Funny, you're concerned about money yet defend the man that wasted £50m on players that are never worth it.

So Caulker was a waste?.

Lets leave it at the fact your prefer Tan to Mackay. That is all that needs saying.

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Yes.

But we owe Tan more than what the club is worth.

He harps on about how he has invested 100 million into the club, when he should have used the 100 million to pay of the debts.

I will go to games because it is Cardiff, doesn't mean I have to bum Tan for doing something he hasn't done.

He has paid off the debts. We owe it to him not third parties now.

Funny, you're concerned about money yet defend the man that wasted £50m on players that are never worth it.

So Caulker was a waste?.

42m then

He didn't spend 50 million pound. No one counts bonuses otherwise Spurs spent £150 million in the summer.

He didn't spend 50 million pound. No one counts bonuses otherwise Spurs spent £150 million in the summer.

what do you think of his transfer business overall in the summer then?

Spent money in the wrong areas. We should have bought quantity rather than lumping money on a few 'big' signings. Caulker, KTC, Medel were good signings imo.

Saying that it is all about man management. Tony Pulis has a worse squad to work with and look at them.

Blame Mackay all you want but man management is the reason we are where we are.

I just think the circus tan creates doesn't help either solksjaer or mackay.

We weren't very good under Mackay, we also aren't very good under Solksjaer, which is mainly Tans fault imo.

It comes down to the fact he is completely clueless and thinks the money we spent should guarantee us to be in the top half of the table. Business man ok, football owner? f*cking NO CHANCE. He creates an absolute poisonous atmosphere around the club.

Blame Mackay, blame Solksjaer it doesn't matter for me, both have the clubs best interests at heart however much people call him 'milky'. Tan is the reason we are a complete joke of a club around Britain.