Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not

Quality

true though////////unless of course you stick your head in the sand...........you just want to be a rebel against something..well done you..

Thanks dad

im not your dad..if i was you wouldnt be treating the club so cheaply........if you have a plan,let everyone i on it.....in fact if anyone has a plan..........Tan out is fine as far as it goes, but then there is the next step which nobody has any idea about..
people like yourself have not even given thought to how he exits the club.......what if there is no one to buy him out....or there are put not for the money he wants......please answer.......but you went on protests,most protests have clear objectives,not just what they do not want, but what they actually want instead......tan out and the tooth fairy takes over just dont cut it

Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.

Usual shit. Who is going to buy us when we are losing shed loads per week.

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.

Usual shit. Who is going to buy us when we are losing shed loads per week.

Vincent Tan did.
I'm sure Tan has got an exit strategy.

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If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

it could be worse here tbh........everyone ignores the fact we are welsh......and should the club fold,a new club would be under the welsh FA initially.........so plan A is throw Tan out,followed by a carlos coaches trip to Aberystwyth?

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

Don't agree with that Neil.

Portsmouth situation was totally different to ours. They owed to 3rd parties while we own to one man Tan. Also their overheads were a lot higher than ours making it practically impossible to sustain.

Actually Allan I would have no problem if we did a Portsmouth.

I can't see us 'doing a Portsmouth'. Take Bolton for example, they are 200 mil in debt, do not have the luxury of prem parachute payments, and do not have 20+ mil worth of players to sell.

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

Don't agree with that Neil.

Portsmouth situation was totally different to ours. They owed to 3rd parties while we own to one man Tan. Also their overheads were a lot higher than ours making it practically impossible to sustain.

Actually Allan I would have no problem if we did a Portsmouth.

how does owing 3rd parties make it easier?.......i believe the opposite.......how can you call the reciever in when you owe yourself the money?.........if tan cannot sell the club....???????..what then are his options if he has had enough?

yes how can you call the receiver in when you owe yourself. Hence why our situation will not be a Portsmouth of one admin after another.

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

Don't agree with that Neil.

Portsmouth situation was totally different to ours. They owed to 3rd parties while we own to one man Tan. Also their overheads were a lot higher than ours making it practically impossible to sustain.

Actually Allan I would have no problem if we did a Portsmouth.

tbh doesnt bother me either! i will just support the team as i am doing now, but no way can i justify spending any kind of money on 2nd div football it's called priorities! before people have go at me i've done same for premier football more important things in my life.

I can't see us 'doing a Portsmouth'. Take Bolton for example, they are 200 mil in debt, do not have the luxury of prem parachute payments, and do not have 20+ mil worth of players to sell.

if and when tan exits the club.....its impossible to know how we will end up..its very much in his hands

I can't see us 'doing a Portsmouth'. Take Bolton for example, they are 200 mil in debt, do not have the luxury of prem parachute payments, and do not have 20+ mil worth of players to sell.

if and when tan exits the club.....its impossible to know how we will end up..its very much in his hands

More or less Tan will sell the club at a loss.

Some preach he will asset strip. I don't believe that. I think he will keep the club at an attractive proposition as I believe he stands a better chance of getting a return that way than asset stripping. Saying that I can't see him getting his money back hence why I think he will accept a loss.

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

Don't agree with that Neil.

Portsmouth situation was totally different to ours. They owed to 3rd parties while we own to one man Tan. Also their overheads were a lot higher than ours making it practically impossible to sustain.

Actually Allan I would have no problem if we did a Portsmouth.

tbh doesnt bother me either! i will just support the team as i am doing now, but no way can i justify spending any kind of money on 2nd div football it's called priorities! before people have go at me i've done same for premier football more important things in my life.

Are you saying that you would not support CCFC in League 2, Alan?

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......[/quote]

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip [/quote]
yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not[/quote]

Quality [/quote]
true though////////unless of course you stick your head in the sand...........you just want to be a rebel against something..well done you..[/quote]

Thanks dad [/quote]

im not your dad..if i was you wouldnt be treating the club so cheaply........if you have a plan,let everyone i on it.....in fact if anyone has a plan..........Tan out is fine as far as it goes, but then there is the next step which nobody has any idea about..
people like yourself have not even given thought to how he exits the club.......what if there is no one to buy him out....or there are put not for the money he wants......please answer.......but you went on protests,most protests have clear objectives,not just what they do not want, but what they actually want instead......tan out and the tooth fairy takes over just dont cut it[/quote]

For crying out loud, read my opening post and this time actually read it properly

Cardiff City are in huge debt - not up for debate

Vincent Tan is the man who has run up the vast majority of that debt - not up for debate

Cardiff City owe him an awful lot of money - not up for debate

Vincent Tan has too much money tied up in the club to just walk away - not up for debate

He has little chance of ever recouping all of that money unless Cardiff are a stable, established PL club - not up for debate

It's increasingly clear to most of us that Tan is a man who will be unable to ever achieve a stable, established PL club at Cardiff - does anyone seriously still believe he's capable of this???

Tan is never going to get all of his money back, he'll be fully aware of that - he took a punt it failed. For him, it will now be a damage limitation exercise.

My suggestion is that City fans should let him feel the heat, put him under pressure to cut his losses and leave.

I'm a realist, this will not be painless.

In my opinion, it may well take a fire sale of players (£20-30m) and the loss of all of the parachute money (£59m). It will mean a period of struggle and possibly the trust would need to take an active role in running the club for a period of time (at least). I'm completely open about it, some of us feel that it's a risk worth taking, others won't. What I will say is that continuing to place faith in a man who has made some atrocious decisions whilst running the club and racked up astronomical debts looks every bit as risky. For me, driving Tan out will almost certainly cause short term - maybe longer term - pain but I think it's a price worth paying. Whichever way you look at it, Cardiff City will shortly be at a crossroads. I know which route I'd like them to take.

But the supporters will have to be prepared for some tougher times.

It seems that most Cardiff City fans are coming around to the idea that until Vincent Tan leaves the football club there will never be any genuine stability, nor will the club's traditional identity be restored.

We need to accept that until the blue and bluebird are reinstated then the divisions in the fan base will fail to heal. A club attempting to move forward without real unity will always be destined to fail.

Clearly, as far as most of us are concerned, the ideal scenario is for Mr Tan to sell the ailing club to a fair minded, wealthy investor who respects tradition and immediately reverses the rebrand. Unfortunately, that scenario seems an unlikely one, especially with the obscene amount of debt that Vincent Tan has saddled the club with.

The most realistic way to 'get our club back' and eventually see it thrive is, in all likelihood, to suffer some tough times on and off the pitch for a few seasons, maybe more.

The first step should, in my opinion, be to really increase the pressure on Vincent Tan. I'm talking about largescale vocal and visible protests before, during and after games. The unified protest of a few weeks ago was an excellent start. CCS needs to become a very uncomfortable place for Tan and his minions to visit and dissenting voices need to be heard by the national and international media. While the premier league spotlight continues to fall on the club, the coming weeks offer the very best opportunity for maximum exposure.

The reality is that a Championship Cardiff City is not a particularly saleable asset, there is not going to be a queue of buyers for a second tier unstable football club with huge debts. I think, we all, realise that. The spiralling debt is, of course, the most disgraceful part of the whole affair. Many good, dyed in the wool, bluebirds only 'accepted' the rebrand because the likes of Borley and Tan assured them that the debt would be converted to equity. This misleading of the fans has been one of the most shameful parts of the mindless rebrand.

As mentioned earlier, my personal view is that (legal) visible and audible protests now need to be ramped up a notch. We need a continuation of the solidarity between the main supporters bodies to lend validity to such protests. This is no time for any of the supporters representative bodies to get 'cold feet' and begin worrying about their relationship with the club and 'grace and favour' use of facilities at the stadium. We need to stand together, united. United against the lies and united in our determination to get our club back. Tan needs to be under no illusions - it is time for him to sell up or cut his losses and move on. He is in far too deep to simply 'walk away.' Cardiff City cannot continue to be his vanity project.

What will be the consequence of such actions?

In all honesty, I would expect Tan to begin asset stripping in the summer in order to recoup as much of his 'investment' as possible. Expect the likes of Medel, Caulker, Mutch, Marshall, Campbell, Noone and Turner to depart. I'd also expect Tan to pocket the parachute payment (£23m) for next season and maybe even a guarantee that he'll also receive the parachute monies for 2015/16 (£18m) and the following seasons too (another £18m in total). He will be fully aware that the premier league withholds these payments if a club enters administration. It is, therefore, very unlikely that he'd put the club into that situation.

If the above scenario were to play out, it's fair to say that Cardiff City could face some seriously tough times. They could fall through the leagues. Alternatively, they could recover in much the same way as Crystal Palace have - a club who found themselves in similar financial dire straits a few years ago. The likelihood is that the club would have to field a combination of kids and journeymen pros for some time. Alternatively, of course, if Tan was to behave in the manner that I've outlined above, a struggling Cardiff City but with considerably less debt may once again be an attractive saleable proposition.

I suppose the question is, are Cardiff City fans prepared to vent their feelings and accept the potential for tougher times and maybe even a slide down the divisions (there are, of course, no guarantees that relegations would follow), in exchange for the departure of Tan, a lessening of the debt burden, a restoration of the club's traditional identity and unity amongst the supporters?

When he does eventually leave we will be back in court on a winding up order then we will be happy wont we

Hmmmmmmm, so that is what this is all about. Interesting! Agendas ey!

Hmmmmmmm, so that is what this is all about. Interesting! Agendas ey!

You've lost me there mate???

Hmmmmmmm, so that is what this is all about. Interesting! Agendas ey!

Agendas? who's agenda u talking about?

Hmmmmmmm, so that is what this is all about. Interesting! Agendas ey!

Agendas? who's agenda u talking about?

Natman Blue is just paranoid.

If you truly love your club, this what need to be dabated. Driving Tan out without thinking of consequence might just leave us with no club at all!

and how do you come to that conclusion?

PORTSMOUTH is why Ian. Close to non league and a very uncertain future.

ahh but they play in blue and got fantastic fans anything else doesnt matter!

Don't agree with that Neil.

Portsmouth situation was totally different to ours. They owed to 3rd parties while we own to one man Tan. Also their overheads were a lot higher than ours making it practically impossible to sustain.

Actually Allan I would have no problem if we did a Portsmouth.

tbh doesnt bother me either! i will just support the team as i am doing now, but no way can i justify spending any kind of money on 2nd div football it's called priorities! before people have go at me i've done same for premier football more important things in my life.

Are you saying that you would not support CCFC in League 2, Alan?

no said i will support them but not physically spend money on them! (tickets) others may like idea of blue at any cost but after 44yrs i dont intent on waisting money on crap football in crap div! i dont have the money to waist on such things, others may have but i dont.

Alfie, you made an interesting statement regarding the trust taking over. Wonder if some other people have some aspirations of having more power than they currently do within the corridors of Cardiff City FC

Hmmmmmmm, so that is what this is all about. Interesting! Agendas ey!

Agendas? who's agenda u talking about?

Natman Blue is just paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't coming to get you!

I genuinely can't fathom why you constantly back Tan, Natman.

He has made some dreadful decisions, yet you cannot bring yourself to criticise him? Why?

I genuinely can't fathom why you constantly back Tan, Natman.

He has made some dreadful decisions, yet you cannot bring yourself to criticise him? Why?

Because i'm not blinded by the rebrand and can see the countless great and good things he has done for the cluba nd the city of Cardiff.

good to see you trying to reasonably debate chuckles!

Because i'm not blinded by the rebrand and can see the countless great and good things he has done for the cluba nd the city of Cardiff.

good to see you trying to reasonably debate chuckles!

Get off your high horse, if you weren't so condescending to many on here, maybe you'd get a bit more respect for your bizarre views.

Who says I'm on about the rebrand? His constant disregard for fans & lies about debt to equity are just as poor from him.

What about piling the debt up on this club?

As for agendas, you have the biggest one on here. Anyone who disagrees with you, you accuse of being Annis & you makes mass assumptions and demand apologies from people who haven't even written the things you want apologies for.

If you want people to respect your views, maybe accept that people will disagree with you.

Because i'm not blinded by the rebrand and can see the countless great and good things he has done for the cluba nd the city of Cardiff.

good to see you trying to reasonably debate chuckles!

Get off your high horse, if you weren't so condescending to many on here, maybe you'd get a bit more respect for your bizarre views.

Who says I'm on about the rebrand? His constant disregard for fans & lies about debt to equity are just as poor from him.

What about piling the debt up on this club?

As for agendas, you have the biggest one on here. Anyone who disagrees with you, you accuse of being Annis & you makes mass assumptions and demand apologies from people who haven't even written the things you want apologies for.

If you want people to respect your views, maybe accept that people will disagree with you.

Condescending!!! Says the man who doesn't debate but just tries to be pedantic and constantly go over old ground no matter how many times he gets an answer!

No lies about debt to equity, it hasn't happened yet. If he goes and it hasn't happened then at best he changed his mind and at worse then yes he would be a liar.

I've accused one person of being Annis and Carl and that is because I was informed by somebody on here whose views I respect and would know these kind of things. Although I have my suspicions about a number of other accounts. The first person I said it was I got wrong as I actually got confused over the name but it is ccfc True!

I accept people will disagree, I'm happy to debate as I have with others who have kept it respectful and and can discuss things like grown ups. I don't have an agenda, an agenda is hidden and secret, i'm quite open and honest in that there is something more sinister happening on this baord which I and countless others can see but I'm just far more vocal in opposing it.

If you want me to be honest I've had people PM asking me to call you some names etc and I've refused as I don't want to sink to the levels some other people on here have sunk to in regards to myself.

Not to be clear;
- I'm respect Tan for what he has done
- colour doesn't bother me so blue or red I don't care, a name change if it was something completely out of keeping with our tradition then I might object to that
- Malky lost my respect towards the end of his tenure due to his unprofessional behaviour and his attempted manipulation of the fans against Tan. I respect his achievements but believe he made monumental errors preparing for this season.
- Malky's teams always fade so despite a 0.96 average points tally as opposed to Ole's 6.8 I would have expected Malky to do no better and for us still to drop off, possibly doing even worse than Ole is right now. Malky's points average was also relegation form.
- I'm concerned with Ole's chopping and changing but I want to give him time and see where we are come the middle to end of next season.

Alfie, you made an interesting statement regarding the trust taking over. Wonder if some other people have some aspirations of having more power than they currently do within the corridors of Cardiff City FC

I can't imagine they'd want the hassle, tbh. Although, I must say I think Keith Morgan would make a very able financial director.

You never know what's around the corner. We have some very wealthy fans, more importantly they may have even wealthier contacts.