So..... Was it worth it?

[quote="llan bluebird"]Why do some get into the my dad is bigger than your dad stuff with the jacks ??

It was a sensible OP, laced with the usual condescending one upmanship from the resident Jack fused with an underlying subliminal inferiority complex.[/q

so its better to treat these posts as sensible?..and debate them?

do you spend endless hours on planet swans giving them tips on how to become as good as us.......i dont
the SENSIBLE OP as you call it............said.........my dad is bigger than yours..only you joined in and semi agreed......just what he wanted

Why do some get into the my dad is bigger than your dad stuff with the jacks ??

It was a sensible OP, laced with the usual condescending one upmanship from the resident Jack fused with an underlying subliminal inferiority complex.[/q

so its better to treat these posts as sensible?..and debate them?

do you spend endless hours on planet swans giving them tips on how to become as good as us.......i dont
the SENSIBLE OP as you call it............said.........my dad is bigger than yours..only you joined in and semi agreed......just what he wanted

"Giving Swansea fans tips on how to become as good as Cardiff"

I'm all for "care in the community" but this bloke is certifiable

The season has been an absolute shambles and will be remembered for all the wrong things. Off field embarrassments and in fighting have kept us in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. It as been a classic case of the chase being better than the prize but i think most fans with their head screwed on would have thought we would struggle even with the investment. The problem with a lot of the jack posters you accuse us of wanting or thinking were a big club and accuse us of having visions of grandeur yet you compare yourselves to some of the finest teams in Europe. Deluded. Roathie keeps saying being the bigger team doesn't bother him yet soon as attendances or expansion are mentioned he's all over it like a rash. I would like to think I give an honest and unbiased opinion as much as any fan can. That being the case Swansea at this present time have a better team/squad and are a better footballing side. That wouldnt be hard mind and before you lord it over us and subject us to your analysis look at the table, all is not well with your lot. your crowds are obviously good for your catchment area so i don't see why you get that bothered about the fact that Cardiff fans saying about the potential the club could have. Has it stands the present owner will not maximise the potential due to his folly and the fickle nature of the modern fan. The crowds will obviously be down next year but they were likely to be even with premiership survival. You cannot argue the fact that the potential is there Cardiff is a more vibrant and prosperous city and has been able to attract big crowds at times for generations but has never been able to sustain them. I am not blinkered have been on the bob bank with the 2500 crowds so know we have come along away. If this is the start of the slide then so be it that's football it goes in cycles and some of you jacks should bear that in mind

So what will it take for the potential to be realised? That's about the fifth time I've asked that question and so far no-one has responded.

That depends on what each fan thinks the potential is. me I don't think we're ever going to be in the top ten as attendances and revenue are concerned that's including the likes of some teams in the lower league's at present if they return to the premiership. Our average i think is around 27000 which is good all things being considered. I believe to fulfill the potential a stable club in the premiership under an owner or owners with the affinity to the club and the area will help us to get to fill what we have now and the extension but that will be about it. As I said i think we are never going to compete with the very top but with the likes of the Midlands teams. Which twenty years ago would have been a pipe dream. If others think that's not ambitious enough or to much then fine but I think a solid 33000 is achievable but not under the present regime.

Why do some get into the my dad is bigger than your dad stuff with the jacks ??

It was a sensible OP, laced with the usual condescending one upmanship from the resident Jack fused with an underlying subliminal inferiority complex.

no it wasnt..............it was look how nice and reasonable i can sound slagging cardiff off...........EVERYTHING in the op was hashed rubbish.........yes doesnt it sound reasonable,we want too much,expect to much,we should revolt against tan..thats how they do it
we are only a plastic version of them..............truth is..they hate tan far more than we do and it got f**k all to do with the rebrand............they are aware as long as we have his money ,at some point we grow and they will go back to being..THEM.

Yes, you're right! You've seen right through us! Us jacks are all jealous that we don't have Tan running our club!

your all fully aware that your club run as it is. has hit the ceiling.....and ours with a billionaire backer be it Tan or someone else is nowhere near its potential..........locally owned clubs in the uk are generally lge1 and lge2 clubs......you have what you have,and youve done ok,enjoy it while it lasts because it can not last long.

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

another bitter petty post with feeble attempts to hide the chip..........no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive.......you know this..hate it..dont miss a trick to attempt to belittle it..but it doesnt go away does it.........was it worth it?..
could ask you the same........its not like your finishing top half this century is it......you lose far more than you win and are the smallest club in the division sort of a modern day Wimbledon..

f**k me fella,your post is petty,f*cking grow up!

Why do some get into the my dad is bigger than your dad stuff with the jacks ??

It was a sensible OP, laced with the usual condescending one upmanship from the resident Jack fused with an underlying subliminal inferiority complex.

no it wasnt..............it was look how nice and reasonable i can sound slagging cardiff off...........EVERYTHING in the op was hashed rubbish.........yes doesnt it sound reasonable,we want too much,expect to much,we should revolt against tan..thats how they do it
we are only a plastic version of them..............truth is..they hate tan far more than we do and it got f**k all to do with the rebrand............they are aware as long as we have his money ,at some point we grow and they will go back to being..THEM.

Yes, you're right! You've seen right through us! Us jacks are all jealous that we don't have Tan running our club!

your all fully aware that your club run as it is. has hit the ceiling.....and ours with a billionaire backer be it Tan or someone else is nowhere near its potential..........locally owned clubs in the uk are generally lge1 and lge2 clubs......you have what you have,and youve done ok,enjoy it while it lasts because it can not last long.

Money doesn't buy success. Look at QPR.

Why do some get into the my dad is bigger than your dad stuff with the jacks ??

It was a sensible OP, laced with the usual condescending one upmanship from the resident Jack fused with an underlying subliminal inferiority complex.

no it wasnt..............it was look how nice and reasonable i can sound slagging cardiff off...........EVERYTHING in the op was hashed rubbish.........yes doesnt it sound reasonable,we want too much,expect to much,we should revolt against tan..thats how they do it
we are only a plastic version of them..............truth is..they hate tan far more than we do and it got f**k all to do with the rebrand............they are aware as long as we have his money ,at some point we grow and they will go back to being..THEM.

Yes, you're right! You've seen right through us! Us jacks are all jealous that we don't have Tan running our club!

your all fully aware that your club run as it is. has hit the ceiling.....and ours with a billionaire backer be it Tan or someone else is nowhere near its potential..........locally owned clubs in the uk are generally lge1 and lge2 clubs......you have what you have,and youve done ok,enjoy it while it lasts because it can not last long.

Also, another scenario that is just as plausible, is that Tan cuts his losses, asset strips your club and leaves!

Good post OP

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

another bitter petty post with feeble attempts to hide the chip..........no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive.......you know this..hate it..dont miss a trick to attempt to belittle it..but it doesnt go away does it.........was it worth it?..
could ask you the same........its not like your finishing top half this century is it......you lose far more than you win and are the smallest club in the division sort of a modern day Wimbledon..

What a great word that is - "potential". When you think about it, it's just a cop-out and a way of burying your head in the sand! If you haven't realised your "potential" in the Premier League, then when are you going to realise it? With such a massive catchment area, why aren't you selling out? I'm sure you'll come back with the usual Tan this, Tan that garbage as an excuse, but again I ask the question -when will you realise this "potential" you keep telling us about?

27k aint bad is it..13th best in prem.........after 50 years of dog shit where we have lost thousands of fans to top 6 clubs...........i dont need excuses about tan..........what other club after a 50 year absence could get 27k..?..that something to be very proud of,which i am,,and to be envied by lesser cl;ubs like yourselves..which your post proves you do....

I absolutely agree that 27k is a respectable attendance, but yet again I ask - under what set of circumstances are you going to realise this "potential" to be a massive club that you keep telling us about?

obviously in the prem for a length of time,,and challenging for something..............its a tall order i like everyone knows..but that is what potential means my friend.....if sheffield wednesday and rotherham both had big backing,both ended up top 4 clubs in the prem......one would attract twice what the other would..............you can most likely see that........just refuse to when Cardiff are in the mix

So Wigan being in the Prem for a good number of years an winning the FA cup, does that make them a big club? Fulham have been in the Prem for many years and got to a European final, does that make them a big club? It's not me refusing to see it when it involves Cardiff, it's just the truth

If i stood with 50.000 as a kid,when Swansea were getting 2.000'Why cant Cardiff city do the same again.Swansea supporters have never stood with that many in a crowd.And never will.So why have Cardiff no potential.

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

another bitter petty post with feeble attempts to hide the chip..........no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive.......you know this..hate it..dont miss a trick to attempt to belittle it..but it doesnt go away does it.........was it worth it?..
could ask you the same........its not like your finishing top half this century is it......you lose far more than you win and are the smallest club in the division sort of a modern day Wimbledon..

What a great word that is - "potential". When you think about it, it's just a cop-out and a way of burying your head in the sand! If you haven't realised your "potential" in the Premier League, then when are you going to realise it? With such a massive catchment area, why aren't you selling out? I'm sure you'll come back with the usual Tan this, Tan that garbage as an excuse, but again I ask the question -when will you realise this "potential" you keep telling us about?

27k aint bad is it..13th best in prem.........after 50 years of dog shit where we have lost thousands of fans to top 6 clubs...........i dont need excuses about tan..........what other club after a 50 year absence could get 27k..?..that something to be very proud of,which i am,,and to be envied by lesser cl;ubs like yourselves..which your post proves you do....

I absolutely agree that 27k is a respectable attendance, but yet again I ask - under what set of circumstances are you going to realise this "potential" to be a massive club that you keep telling us about?

obviously in the prem for a length of time,,and challenging for something..............its a tall order i like everyone knows..but that is what potential means my friend.....if sheffield wednesday and rotherham both had big backing,both ended up top 4 clubs in the prem......one would attract twice what the other would..............you can most likely see that........just refuse to when Cardiff are in the mix

So Wigan being in the Prem for a good number of years an winning the FA cup, does that make them a big club? Fulham have been in the Prem for many years and got to a European final, does that make them a big club? It's not me refusing to see it when it involves Cardiff, it's just the truth

If i stood with 50.000 as a kid,when Swansea were getting 2.000'Why cant Cardiff city do the same again.Swansea supporters have never stood with that many in a crowd.And never will.So why have Cardiff no potential.

So what will it take to realise that potential?

to be honest it was not worth it but if your going to come on here and say what you have said lets call it fair cardiff as a club are a mess we will go down and re-group hopefully it might take a few years now who knows as for swansea they will stay up this season but dont think all is well in your club either ask the canteen lady who suffered chicos abuse also gary monk who nearly had a brick in his head ,how about the division between the spanish players and the rest of the team how about bony michu who wont be there next season if u listen to your own fans who up till the win last week were telling me that they feared going down both clubs are not that clever to be honest

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

another bitter petty post with feeble attempts to hide the chip..........no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive.......you know this..hate it..dont miss a trick to attempt to belittle it..but it doesnt go away does it.........was it worth it?..
could ask you the same........its not like your finishing top half this century is it......you lose far more than you win and are the smallest club in the division sort of a modern day Wimbledon..

What a great word that is - "potential". When you think about it, it's just a cop-out and a way of burying your head in the sand! If you haven't realised your "potential" in the Premier League, then when are you going to realise it? With such a massive catchment area, why aren't you selling out? I'm sure you'll come back with the usual Tan this, Tan that garbage as an excuse, but again I ask the question -when will you realise this "potential" you keep telling us about?

27k aint bad is it..13th best in prem.........after 50 years of dog shit where we have lost thousands of fans to top 6 clubs...........i dont need excuses about tan..........what other club after a 50 year absence could get 27k..?..that something to be very proud of,which i am,,and to be envied by lesser cl;ubs like yourselves..which your post proves you do....

I absolutely agree that 27k is a respectable attendance, but yet again I ask - under what set of circumstances are you going to realise this "potential" to be a massive club that you keep telling us about?

obviously in the prem for a length of time,,and challenging for something..............its a tall order i like everyone knows..but that is what potential means my friend.....if sheffield wednesday and rotherham both had big backing,both ended up top 4 clubs in the prem......one would attract twice what the other would..............you can most likely see that........just refuse to when Cardiff are in the mix

So Wigan being in the Prem for a good number of years an winning the FA cup, does that make them a big club? Fulham have been in the Prem for many years and got to a European final, does that make them a big club? It's not me refusing to see it when it involves Cardiff, it's just the truth

If i stood with 50.000 as a kid,when Swansea were getting 2.000'Why cant Cardiff city do the same again.Swansea supporters have never stood with that many in a crowd.And never will.So why have Cardiff no potential.

So what will it take to realise that potential?

You have been answered but are ignoring with your repetitive remark.

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

Football is dead in this country, home games have no atmosphere and I reckon it's failed as being a worthwhile entertainment.
The morgue like liberty will be testament to this aswell, the only fans who make noise are the away fans who just take the piss at every game they go to don't they? It's become a joke, the foreign clubs take the piss aswell who'd have thought that 20 years ago?

I disagree. Nobody has answered my question. I just keep getting told that the potential is there.

I disagree. Nobody has answered my question. I just keep getting told that the potential is there.

You asked how will we fulfill our potential and i answered that my belief is that stability of the club different owner/ owners and top sustained top flight football will help achieve this. We were part of the way there but undoubtedly are now set for a downward turn. If you agree or not but that's what i think and it is an answer

So what will it take to realise that potential?[/quote]
The answer is obvious.........

The right person coming in and making the right decisions, that 's what it will take to realise the potential.

I disagree. Nobody has answered my question. I just keep getting told that the potential is there.

You asked how will we fulfill our potential and i answered that my belief is that stability of the club different owner/ owners and top sustained top flight football will help achieve this. We were part of the way there but undoubtedly are now set for a downward turn. If you agree or not but that's what i think and it is an answer

So by that yardstick, Wigan, Stoke and Fulham are massive clubs. That is what the op is about - you believing that you are bigger than you actually are.

.....its not like your finishing top half this century is it.......

Didn't they finish 9th last season?

did they?

i meant from now on........but you knew that..

You've just made yourself look silly mate. As much as it hurts most of us to admit, the Jacks are everything we want to be. An established Premier League team in profit, run by FANS wearing their teams proper colours.

We're in for a rough ride for the foreseeable future whilst we get rid of Tan. The prospect of having bragging rights over them again in this period are pretty remote to say the least.

i think youve done a fair job on yourself.........they finished 9th wha who ... typical jack waste of space.............you know full well what i was getting at so go back to your caravan

Erm.... I'm not a Jack you fool. Just a realist

.....its not like your finishing top half this century is it.......

Didn't they finish 9th last season?

did they?

i meant from now on........but you knew that..

You've just made yourself look silly mate. As much as it hurts most of us to admit, the Jacks are everything we want to be. An established Premier League team in profit, run by FANS wearing their teams proper colours.

We're in for a rough ride for the foreseeable future whilst we get rid of Tan. The prospect of having bragging rights over them again in this period are pretty remote to say the least.

i think youve done a fair job on yourself.........they finished 9th wha who ... typical jack waste of space.............you know full well what i was getting at so go back to your caravan

Erm.... I'm not a Jack you fool. Just a realist

well you sound a fool..............if supporting a team is not about hope and dreams and aspirations what is it about?
i dont want to be a league of wales club being run by 5 newsagents from a room in the social club thank you

I disagree. Nobody has answered my question. I just keep getting told that the potential is there.

You asked how will we fulfill our potential and i answered that my belief is that stability of the club different owner/ owners and top sustained top flight football will help achieve this. We were part of the way there but undoubtedly are now set for a downward turn. If you agree or not but that's what i think and it is an answer

So by that yardstick, Wigan, Stoke and Fulham are massive clubs. That is what the op is about - you believing that you are bigger than you actually are.

Never said we are a massive club. It is a stupid comparison. Wigan will always struggle due to its prominence to the BIG club's and being in a traditional rugby league area. Fulham will always struggle due to not being as glamorous as a lot of their neighbours Stoke in my eyes are a big club not massive and what Cardiff strive to be.

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

Roathie I hate to admit it but you are right. And that makes me a big man to admit it. I am not religious but the bible says "The truth will set you free" and the above what you have written is the truth we need to face up to. I hate the over spending in order to find a quick road to glory. I look at your team and see how you have managed to improve and build bit by bit every year. I know your fans take the p*ss and call our stadium "Legoland" but maybe we can learn something from that phrase and start building a sustainable club slowly but surely Lego brick by Lego Brick.
I am in denial about being happy with the re-brand and even though I am called Crimson Canton, I don't own a red Cardiff shirt. I understand why I have been making my own "Crimson Canton "Merchandise now. Because I feel too sick to wear Tans re-brand yet also feeling too stupid to wear Blue anymore as it all seems a big fat lie. I want to be blue again I really do. Ironically it is just giving me the blues.
Thanks for the enlightenment. I am kind of excited for next season no matter what league we are in. Lets just do it right instead of trying to paper over the cracks boys.
Respect,
The Crim

This is a post laced with the aroma of coffee and strong smelling salts rather than a sharp tongue.

It is quite ironic that in a few shirt weeks you will be back in the same place where you guys allowed Tan to start this crazy path of rebranding and wild spending. You will still be clad in red, your fan base will still be split, your debts will have tripled and your attendances shrunk (judging by renewals of only 12,000).

So was it worth it? Surely the answer to that is no. But why couldnt you see what most other non city fans saw?

I think this is down to a fans attitude unique to your club. There is an insatiable appetite to be seen as a big club, best team in wales etc etc and this attitude and kudos craving has seen you mortgage your club and herritage on a whim for short term glamour.

You need a complete overhaul. Players, chairman, fans outlook, club ethos - everything needs to change. First of all this "big club" bollocks that has been spouted for so long needs to go as it is your main weakness. As soon as someone comes in and panders to that then you are sold and will give them the keys to the club (see Hammam, Riddler and Tan for details). Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.... Fool me three times and questions really need to be asked about your sanity.

You need to be comfotable in your own skin. A modest club from south wales with a small hardcore following and a largely irrelevant past in terms of footballing pedigree. This may be hard for many to accept but its true, and this pretence and desire to be something else is killing your club from within.

You need to build slowly, develop the club and live within your means - and then in turn grow within your means. This boom or bust gambling with money the club cannot afford is just nonsense and will get you nowhere. You need to be self sufficient and success needs to be steady and sustainable.

This is your opportunity for a turning point and a change - can you do it is the question.

Ill probably come in for abuse as usual but it will be interesting to bump this in a couple of seasons time. As CantonMagic and various incarnations of Roathie - again all I can say is ive tried to twll you whats what. You can lead the horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Good luck.

Roathie I hate to admit it but you are right. And that makes me a big man to admit it. I am not religious but the bible says "The truth will set you free" and the above what you have written is the truth we need to face up to. I hate the over spending in order to find a quick road to glory. I look at your team and see how you have managed to improve and build bit by bit every year. I know your fans take the p*ss and call our stadium "Legoland" but maybe we can learn something from that phrase and start building a sustainable club slowly but surely Lego brick by Lego Brick.
I am in denial about being happy with the re-brand and even though I am called Crimson Canton, I don't own a red Cardiff shirt. I understand why I have been making my own "Crimson Canton "Merchandise now. Because I feel too sick to wear Tans re-brand yet also feeling too stupid to wear Blue anymore as it all seems a big fat lie. I want to be blue again I really do. Ironically it is just giving me the blues.
Thanks for the enlightenment. I am kind of excited for next season no matter what league we are in. Lets just do it right instead of trying to paper over the cracks boys.
Respect,
The Crim

Yesss!
I knew you'd go blue. Haha.
Made my day.

Was it worth it? No !

No, it wasn't worth it.

..no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive...... ..

Less than Bristol, Leeds, Sheffield or even Wakefield, which does not have a league club, is bigger. Nine London boroughs have a population bigger than our capital, and Wigan has a population which is just six thousand less. Lets not get into having the catchments area as a criteria for entry into the premier league, or we'll both be in the Championship for the foreseeable future.

i think youve done a fair job on yourself.........they finished 9th wha who ... typical jack waste of space.............you know full well what i was getting at so go back to your caravan

Good of you to let us know you've been wound up, by resorting the childish name calling. Save yourself further embarrassment and stop taking the piss out of yourself. Now off to bed, school day tomorrow.

..no we have a catchment area 2nd to none..the potential is just potential but its massive...... ..

Less than Bristol, Leeds, Sheffield or even Wakefield, which does not have a league club, is bigger. Nine London boroughs have a population bigger than our capital, and Wigan has a population which is just six thousand less. Lets not get into having the catchments area as a criteria for entry into the premier league, or we'll both be in the Championship for the foreseeable future.

i think youve done a fair job on yourself.........they finished 9th wha who ... typical jack waste of space.............you know full well what i was getting at so go back to your caravan

Good of you to let us know you've been wound up, by resorting the childish name calling. Save yourself further embarrassment and stop taking the piss out of yourself. Now off to bed, school day tomorrow.

Its not just about the size of the catchment area but historically what sport they've followed but more importantly the competition for potential new fans off other teams in the area. You've mentioned Bristol which has two teams for a start. Sheffield the same but they are both big teams in my eyes.leeds big city 1 club but they are a big team. And using boroughs in London is rubbish as the there is probably as many fans of arsenal and tottenham in south London as there is for palace. Cardiff as historically drawn it's fan base from the city but also a good distance north to the valleys and also a massive percentage on your doorstep in Neath and port Talbot. So are they included in your catchment area analysis. Don't get confused most fans know how big we are, or how big we could be . I believe the mid 30 thousands is the peak on a regular basis in a utopian world of top level football and a united fanbase with an owner who gave a monkeys about the fans. In reality it will be back to lower attendances next year with the impending relegation but yhat is No more than any other team yourself included where your extra fans would go back and support the ospreys

i think the answer should be "yes" it was worth it, for a few reasons really ;

1. the pressure is now off, the pressure of "getting to the premier league because swansea are there and we aint been there yet was shocking, now we can say, we've been there, maybe in future years that sort of pressure wont be there so i would like to say in that case it was worth it.

2. theres been a load of fans threatend and basically made to feel like we're where trying to "destabalise" the club by being pro-blue and not bending to tans will, this has now shown tans true colours and brought a LARGE majority of fans back together, and im glad thats happened now rather than a slow building, reaching the premier league, fans licking the arse hole of tan, and then him changing even more, i.e name and then fans saying, well hes got us this far

3. i think now we are falling apart it would be easier to get rid of tan. if we where making premier league money each season, why would he want to leave, if we're in the championship with ole as boss lets be fair, we aint getting mid table, and hopefully he will then see that and be more easier to convince to leave

Does soul..........of........the......sea ever post sensibly?

jesus

Does soul..........of........the......sea ever post sensibly?

jesus

No..

To the fans saying the fans could do nothing...

Come on. He had backed down and then had to change his mind under fan pressure, you guys asked for this. There has been little to no resistance and most have sat back and "enjoyed the ride" at the expense of the club.