' 14 YEARS THE LAST TIME WE GOT RELEGATED '

do you know i`ve never wanted swansea to get relegated .... ive always hated swansea but as a rival .... welsh football will always come first ..... no wonder you dont class us as a big club its because you`ll never be a big club yourself .... it doesnt matter what league your in CARDIFF ARE THE BIGGEST CLUB IN WALES ..... FACT!

You not being a big club has nothing to do with us. You aren't a big club simply because you are not.

We arent either but our fanbase doesnt pretend to be.

As for the comparison, if you asked everybody in the world who they have heard of most Swansea or Cardiff then Swansea would win hands down. But like I said, we know we arent a big club and are comfortable with that. It doesnt matter really does it.

i know we are not a big club yet .... but we can be .... just look at our crowd growth .... and if we had stayed up we`d have been getting 30.000 plus next season ..... it will take a decade or two for idiots to stop supporting english clubs in wales! ... if we can both stay in the premier league IT WILL HAPPEN

Potential is there without a doubt but it has to be a step at a time & properly. There's big clubs historically in the divisions below and mismanagement has crucified them. Cardiff City are in that bracket and VT takes a big share of the blame, along with those that took red and promotion up the arse from him.

What potential though? What do you need to do in order to fulfill this so called "potential"?

Yu have now been in every division and yet to see this "potential".

Win the champions league?

do you know i`ve never wanted swansea to get relegated .... ive always hated swansea but as a rival .... welsh football will always come first ..... no wonder you dont class us as a big club its because you`ll never be a big club yourself .... it doesnt matter what league your in CARDIFF ARE THE BIGGEST CLUB IN WALES ..... FACT!

You not being a big club has nothing to do with us. You aren't a big club simply because you are not.

We arent either but our fanbase doesnt pretend to be.

As for the comparison, if you asked everybody in the world who they have heard of most Swansea or Cardiff then Swansea would win hands down. But like I said, we know we arent a big club and are comfortable with that. It doesnt matter really does it.

i know we are not a big club yet .... but we can be .... just look at our crowd growth .... and if we had stayed up we`d have been getting 30.000 plus next season ..... it will take a decade or two for idiots to stop supporting english clubs in wales! ... if we can both stay in the premier league IT WILL HAPPEN

Come on Aherne you said...

dont be downhearted we are still a big club and we`ll be back in that premier league and playing in blue next time

Look at our crowd growth, we have gone from 3,000 to 21,000 sell outs for 3 seasons running in 10 years - we still arent a big club.

Yes you may have got 30,000 there but does that make a big club? Brighton were getting close to that last year in the Championship, are Brighton a massive club?

Football is popular these days, attendances will grow but it doesnt mean as a result those clubs are massive.

Your recent forray in the bottom 2 leagues....

4th column along is average attendance.

The season is marked on the left.

BUT if you show the top half it will show we are growing and GROWING

Same with any club that gains promotions or plays football at a highher level than previous.

Next season if we revisit it, it will show the club shrinking, get relegated again or fail to get promoted and it will shrink again etc etc.

Thats football.

You are right Roathie! When a club gets relegated, the attendance shrinks. Some deluded fans seem to think these non-attenders are somehow still part of the fan base. They are not!

Both Welsh Prem clubs are modest in size because of population, proximity, transport and of course, tradition. These are still developing but relegation will definitely stunt this growth. I'm a realist I hope. I also hope to see Cardiff stable in the PL but for now, the rest of the season will be difficult to swallow.

I just hope we don't see a return to the days when we were the nearly club, just missing out on promotion due to playoff cockups.

Potential is there without a doubt but it has to be a step at a time & properly. There's big clubs historically in the divisions below and mismanagement has crucified them. Cardiff City are in that bracket and VT takes a big share of the blame, along with those that took red and promotion up the arse from him.

What potential though? What do you need to do in order to fulfill this so called "potential"?

Yu have now been in every division and yet to see this "potential".

Win the champions league?

You need new bait for your rod chief, i'm steaming and your still not catching me.

You need new bait for your rod chief, i'm steaming and your still not catching me.

It was a genuine question. I never "fish".

What are you waiting for to happen in order for this "potential" to be filled?

Your recent forray in the bottom 2 leagues....

4th column along is average attendance.

The season is marked on the left.

BUT if you show the top half it will show we are growing and GROWING

Same with any club that gains promotions or plays football at a highher level than previous.

Next season if we revisit it, it will show the club shrinking, get relegated again or fail to get promoted and it will shrink again etc etc.

Thats football.

You are right Roathie! When a club gets relegated, the attendance shrinks. Some deluded fans seem to think these non-attenders are somehow still part of the fan base. They are not!

Both Welsh Prem clubs are modest in size because of population, proximity, transport and of course, tradition. These are still developing but relegation will definitely stunt this growth. I'm a realist I hope. I also hope to see Cardiff stable in the PL but for now, the rest of the season will be difficult to swallow.

I just hope we don't see a return to the days when we were the nearly club, just missing out on promotion due to playoff cockups.

Spot on. Im under no illusions that if we were to fall back into the basement we would drop significantly in terms of numbers.

We are not a big club and wont be until we consistantly win things.

You need new bait for your rod chief, i'm steaming and your still not catching me.

It was a genuine question. I never "fish".

What are you waiting for to happen in order for this "potential" to be filled?

Proper leadership runningt he company and thereafter the club in the proper way.

You need new bait for your rod chief, i'm steaming and your still not catching me.

It was a genuine question. I never "fish".

What are you waiting for to happen in order for this "potential" to be filled?

Proper leadership runningt he company and thereafter the club in the proper way.

Right so you are saying get a good chairman in and you will be a massive club?

Come on ptb thats just silly. You need to win things to be a big club, that goes for anybody.

Your recent forray in the bottom 2 leagues....

4th column along is average attendance.

The season is marked on the left.

BUT if you show the top half it will show we are growing and GROWING

Same with any club that gains promotions or plays football at a highher level than previous.

Next season if we revisit it, it will show the club shrinking, get relegated again or fail to get promoted and it will shrink again etc etc.

Thats football.

You are right Roathie! When a club gets relegated, the attendance shrinks. Some deluded fans seem to think these non-attenders are somehow still part of the fan base. They are not!

Both Welsh Prem clubs are modest in size because of population, proximity, transport and of course, tradition. These are still developing but relegation will definitely stunt this growth. I'm a realist I hope. I also hope to see Cardiff stable in the PL but for now, the rest of the season will be difficult to swallow.

I just hope we don't see a return to the days when we were the nearly club, just missing out on promotion due to playoff cockups.

Listen Willie.. we only cocked up 3 playoffs in 9 championship seasons which means that is only 33% unsuccessful championship seasons out of 100%. You make it sound like we cocked up lots. We may be relegated this year in the proper way but we were promoted the proper way automatically to, avoiding Wembley playoff final.

You need new bait for your rod chief, i'm steaming and your still not catching me.

It was a genuine question. I never "fish".

What are you waiting for to happen in order for this "potential" to be filled?

Proper leadership runningt he company and thereafter the club in the proper way.

Right so you are saying get a good chairman in and you will be a massive club?

Come on ptb thats just silly. You need to win things to be a big club, that goes for anybody.

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

Your recent forray in the bottom 2 leagues....

4th column along is average attendance.

The season is marked on the left.

BUT if you show the top half it will show we are growing and GROWING

Same with any club that gains promotions or plays football at a highher level than previous.

Next season if we revisit it, it will show the club shrinking, get relegated again or fail to get promoted and it will shrink again etc etc.

Thats football.

You are right Roathie! When a club gets relegated, the attendance shrinks. Some deluded fans seem to think these non-attenders are somehow still part of the fan base. They are not!

Both Welsh Prem clubs are modest in size because of population, proximity, transport and of course, tradition. These are still developing but relegation will definitely stunt this growth. I'm a realist I hope. I also hope to see Cardiff stable in the PL but for now, the rest of the season will be difficult to swallow.

I just hope we don't see a return to the days when we were the nearly club, just missing out on promotion due to playoff cockups.

Listen Willie.. we only cocked up 3 playoffs in 9 championship seasons which means that is only 33% unsuccessful championship seasons out of 100%. You make it sound like we cocked up lots. We may be relegated this year in the proper way but we were promoted the proper way automatically to, avoiding Wembley playoff final.

Who wound you up again Crim?
When we missed out on playoffs it was 3 times in a row. You have a short memory.
There is no proper way to get relegated. You lose, you go down.
Ax for avoiding Wrmbley, I would love a day out in London as long as we came back promoted!!
Please stop embarrassing us. All you are doing is adding fuel to our "knockers"

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

Major trophy? It is not even a mickie mouse cup...more like minnie mouse cup

Of course barnett.

Of course barnett.

The name is Crimson ....Crimson Canton.

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

Major trophy? It is not even a mickie mouse cup...more like minnie mouse cup

FFS! You'll be talking about triangular flags next. And it is "Micky" you div.

Of course barnett.

The name is Crimson ....Crimson Canton.

Yeah, sure.

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

Major trophy? It is not even a mickie mouse cup...more like minnie mouse cup

FFS! You'll be talking about triangular flags next. And it is "Micky" you div.

I said Minnie ok?

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

Major trophy? It is not even a mickie mouse cup...more like minnie mouse cup

FFS! You'll be talking about triangular flags next. And it is "Micky" you div.

I said Minnie ok?

Whatever. Night night you spanner!

The right leadership will realise the potential and lead the clubs to trophies. f**k me, Wigan are the FA Cup holders and we're both way bigger than them.

if it was that simple then everyone would be a massive club.

We won a major trophy last year, wigan did too - neither of us are a big club.

In order for a club to be big then you need a continued and sustained presence at the top end of the premier league and in Europe.

Can you name me one club that is regarded as a massive club that has done neither of these things? I cant.

To achieve that is an incredible ask and something you have never done in 115 years of football, so clinging on to that hope while mortgaging the club on it happening in the next few seasons is beyond insane.

You are a small to average sized club that has achieved next to nothing in 115 years. Any talk of "big club" is just pie in the sky. Walk the walk then maybe you can start to talk the talk. At the moment the nonsense talking coming from your fans is stopping the club walking the walk.

Major trophy? It is not even a mickie mouse cup...more like minnie mouse cup

FFS! You'll be talking about triangular flags next. And it is "Micky" you div.

I said Minnie ok?

Whatever. Night night you spanner!

yeah run to bed when you know your wrong

Of course barnett.

The name is Crimson ....Crimson Canton.

Yeah, sure.

I'm not being funny but who the heck is Barnett? I have heard a few referring to me with that name. Why?

No idea.

No idea.

well whycall me it if you dont know who barnett is?

No idea.

well whycall me it if you dont know who barnett is?

just tell me who Barnett is and you get a free Signed Crimson Canton shirt

No idea.

well whycall me it if you dont know who barnett is?

just tell me who Barnett is and you get a free Signed Crimson Canton shirt

Right have a serious think about it. I will be back tomorrow.

2000 thats the year my son was born ..... i was telling him today "for gods sake Dan we`ve been relegated loads of times" .... then i remembered we havent been relegated for 14 years .... even for us older fans this feels like a new hurt because we`d forgotten how this felt .... but from what i remember once the new season starts we`d have already dusted ourselves down and ready for the season ahead ... so dont be downhearted we are still a big club and we`ll be back in that premier league and playing in blue next time

Spot on

Your right, Our fans have had nothing but Success since the year 2000.

I had my rant yesterday as I always do after a match, but today, I dont feel depressed at all, we have a massive fan base nowadays and if they really support Cardiff City we will get 25,000 plus crowds next season.

Spending 9 years in the 4th Division and having managers like Alan Durban are what u call bad times.

2000 thats the year my son was born ..... i was telling him today "for gods sake Dan we`ve been relegated loads of times" .... then i remembered we havent been relegated for 14 years .... even for us older fans this feels like a new hurt because we`d forgotten how this felt .... but from what i remember once the new season starts we`d have already dusted ourselves down and ready for the season ahead ... so dont be downhearted we are still a big club and we`ll be back in that premier league and playing in blue next time

Spot on

Your right, Our fans have had nothing but Success since the year 2000.

I had my rant yesterday as I always do after a match, but today, I dont feel depressed at all, we have a massive fan base nowadays and if they really support Cardiff City we will get 25,000 plus crowds next season.

Spending 9 years in the 4th Division and having managers like Alan Durban are what u call bad times.

Total agree viewtopic.php?f=2&t=139228

The real Supporter will be seen

2000 thats the year my son was born ..... i was telling him today "for gods sake Dan we`ve been relegated loads of times" .... then i remembered we havent been relegated for 14 years .... even for us older fans this feels like a new hurt because we`d forgotten how this felt .... but from what i remember once the new season starts we`d have already dusted ourselves down and ready for the season ahead ... so dont be downhearted we are still a big club and we`ll be back in that premier league and playing in blue next time

Spot on

Your right, Our fans have had nothing but Success since the year 2000.

I had my rant yesterday as I always do after a match, but today, I dont feel depressed at all, we have a massive fan base nowadays and if they really support Cardiff City we will get 25,000 plus crowds next season.

Spending 9 years in the 4th Division and having managers like Alan Durban are what u call bad times.

Total agree viewtopic.php?f=2&t=139228

The real Supporter will be seen

Spot on, the real Supporters will be seen next season

Annis, shocking display yesterday and had to agree with most of what you said on the radio.

but on a touching side, was coming out after the game yesterday and there was an old chap with, what I believe was his grandson,who was in floods of tears and the old man said to him ' listen now lad, you will see Cardiff in the prem again but I doubt I will'
well, that started the missus off

by the way has anyone shed any light on who Tan was talking to after the game?