dahlie goal just papered over the cracks

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Show me where I suggested 5 at the back earlier in the week ? I suggested 3 !

Where you named 5 defenders in your starting team. Unless you were suggesting using KTC on the left wing?

And sticking to our new found formation

What would be the problem using ktc on the left of midfield , he's good going forward and could support the 3 ( three ) at the back .
Obviously solskjaer agrees because he has already played him in that position

What would be the problem using ktc on the left of midfield , he's good going forward and could support the 3 ( three ) at the back .
Obviously solskjaer agrees because he has already played him in that position

The fact that there's better players for that position...

When has he selected KTC as a left winger?

What would be the problem using ktc on the left of midfield , he's good going forward and could support the 3 ( three ) at the back .
Obviously solskjaer agrees because he has already played him in that position

The fact that there's better players for that position...

When has he selected KTC as a left winger?

Name one !
Zaha is totally disinterested. kimbo and whitts have no pace to take players on and make our game stop .

Bellamy is played in the playmaker role and hasn't got the legs for a wingback role

What would be the problem using ktc on the left of midfield , he's good going forward and could support the 3 ( three ) at the back .
Obviously solskjaer agrees because he has already played him in that position

The fact that there's better players for that position...

When has he selected KTC as a left winger?

Name one !
Zaha is totally disinterested. kimbo and whitts have no pace to take players on and make our game stop .

Bellamy is played in the playmaker role and hasn't got the legs for a wingback role

When was "our new formation" 3-5-2 with wingers ?

Wingback? Thought we were talking about left wingers/midfielders?

3 centre backs and 2 wing backs (your words) is using 5 at the back, which is exactly what you suggested before the game and then slated after the game.

Wingback? Thought we were talking about left wingers/midfielders?

3 centre backs and 2 wing backs (your words) is using 5 at the back, which is exactly what you suggested before the game and then slated after the game.

It's the way the formation is implemented that makes the difference they can just as easily be called wingers , left sided midfielders , wingbacks , fullbacks , Obviously you have no idea about how football formations work .

It's the way the formation is implemented that makes the difference they can just as easily be called wingers , left sided midfielders , wingbacks , fullbacks , Obviously you have no idea about how football formations work .

Says the guy who is trying to claim playing KTC as a left wing back means he isn't playing a defensive role.

You were caught out. Slating OGS for doing exactly what you said you wanted him to do before the game.

It's the way the formation is implemented that makes the difference they can just as easily be called wingers , left sided midfielders , wingbacks , fullbacks , Obviously you have no idea about how football formations work .

Says the guy who is trying to claim playing KTC as a left wing back means he isn't playing a defensive role.

You were caught out. Slating OGS for doing exactly what you said you wanted him to do before the game.

So a wingback isn't a attacking role either ?
It depends on the tact and instruction given to each individual player by the manager !

He didn't do what I wanted him to do though , I said match them up , once we were 2-0 down he changed it and matched them then what happened oh yeah we scored 3 goals . I slated him for the mistake at the beginning of the game .

ffs Declan john and cala and no one were all injured
remind me who else he could bring in
turner for cala no other option
taylor for john ? mcnoughton but not even on bench
gunnerson now in hindsight that is very debatable as we had no creativity/ flair in our starting line up ?kimbo or whitts im not sure wolf or delhie again in hindsight delhie
but we scored 3 and got a point away from home and stopped a rival in the relegation battle from winning at home

You moaned about playing wing backs, yet suggested exactly that before the game.

Stick to our new formation We look dangerous using it

--------------------Marshall-------------------

---- Caulker-----Juan cala------turner-----

Fabio---mutch---medel---whitts----theo

----------------Bellamy/noone---------------

--------------------Campbell-----------------

Troobloo - totally agree & thought Taylor had a good game.

That last goal has turned everybody away from the fact we needed to win . Yes it was exciting but that was a bad result for us . We needed to win .

The only person to blame is unfortunately ole !

He has to stop messing with the team . We played really well against Liverpool but we're cut apart by a very good strike partnership .

Why make 3 changes to a side that has just found it's feet . That starting lineup is nowhere near our strongest , it was full of championship players . Taylor is awful . Turner is young and has potential but cala should be starting and gunnarsson is way out of his depth in the premier league midfield battles .

His tactics of this 5 at the back with wing backs is good at home but when you go to places like west brom all you need to do is match them up . They are not a good team and we gave them to much respect .

Solskjaer although I believe is the right ma
n for us made big mistakes in his team selection and tactics today .

GREAT GOAL MIND.

You moaned about playing wing backs, yet suggested exactly that before the game.

Stick to our new formation We look dangerous using it

--------------------Marshall-------------------

---- Caulker-----Juan cala------turner-----

Fabio---mutch---medel---whitts----theo

----------------Bellamy/noone---------------

--------------------Campbell-----------------

Troobloo - totally agree & thought Taylor had a good game.

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

You moaned about playing wing backs, yet suggested exactly that before the game.

Stick to our new formation We look dangerous using it

--------------------Marshall-------------------

---- Caulker-----Juan cala------turner-----

Fabio---mutch---medel---whitts----theo

----------------Bellamy/noone---------------

--------------------Campbell-----------------

Troobloo - totally agree & thought Taylor had a good game.

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

You lost that one. Have to admit it.

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

The formation doesn't matter , it's the way that formation is implemented and the mindset put into the players by the manager before every game .

Take Taylor for example , we have been playing this 3 centre back formation for a couple of weeks , when John plays he holds a high line pretty much with the midfield which gives us options out wide . Taylor started yesterday who is super defensive and the whole outlook of the team changed . He sat deeper than fabio which totally unbalanced the team and left huge gaps both defensively and offensively . Now that was either down to him not knowing his role or ole telling him to sit deep .

With us having a flat back 5 like we did in the first 20 mins yesterday , it left our midfield totally exposed and overrun . Taylor should have been higher and tucking in not deep and wide . Fabio played his role well for the amount of time he was on but when he went off we brought on zaha which allowed us to pack the midfield with a flat back 4 . That took west broms main threat away which was only caused by the tactical mistakes that were made due to the players chosen to implement the original strategy .

That In my eyes was poor management .

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

The formation doesn't matter , it's the way that formation is implemented and the mindset put into the players by the manager before every game .

Take Taylor for example , we have been playing this 3 centre back formation for a couple of weeks , when John plays he holds a high line pretty much with the midfield which gives us options out wide . Taylor started yesterday who is super defensive and the whole outlook of the team changed . He sat deeper than fabio which totally unbalanced the team and left huge gaps both defensively and offensively . Now that was either down to him not knowing his role or ole telling him to sit deep .

With us having a flat back 5 like we did in the first 20 mins yesterday , it left our midfield totally exposed and overrun . Taylor should have been higher and tucking in not deep and wide . Fabio played his role well for the amount of time he was on but when he went off we brought on zaha which allowed us to pack the midfield with a flat back 4 . That took west broms main threat away which was only caused by the tactical mistakes that were made due to the players chosen to implement the original strategy .

That In my eyes was poor management .

So setting up the way you wanted, players not doing their job the first 15 minutes you think is poor management? Two silly goals in 9 minutes? I dont think anyone in their right mind could blame that on management! Getting level after that in a relegation fight, well thats management and team spirit for you

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

The formation doesn't matter , it's the way that formation is implemented and the mindset put into the players by the manager before every game .

Take Taylor for example , we have been playing this 3 centre back formation for a couple of weeks , when John plays he holds a high line pretty much with the midfield which gives us options out wide . Taylor started yesterday who is super defensive and the whole outlook of the team changed . He sat deeper than fabio which totally unbalanced the team and left huge gaps both defensively and offensively . Now that was either down to him not knowing his role or ole telling him to sit deep .

With us having a flat back 5 like we did in the first 20 mins yesterday , it left our midfield totally exposed and overrun . Taylor should have been higher and tucking in not deep and wide . Fabio played his role well for the amount of time he was on but when he went off we brought on zaha which allowed us to pack the midfield with a flat back 4 . That took west broms main threat away which was only caused by the tactical mistakes that were made due to the players chosen to implement the original strategy .

That In my eyes was poor management .

So setting up the way you wanted, players not doing their job the first 15 minutes you think is poor management? Two silly goals in 9 minutes? I dont think anyone in their right mind could blame that on management! Getting level after that in a relegation fight, well thats management and team spirit for you

I like ole and the team spirit is good . The point of the post was he got it wrong with his choices , he saw the mistake and changed it . That's brilliant but it doesn't take away from the fact he got it wrong in the first place . They never set up as I would have liked them to because the players he chose were not capable of playing that system together . Look how much better we looked when it was changed just before and during half time . Players in positions they Re comfortable with not forced to play one they are not

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

The formation doesn't matter , it's the way that formation is implemented and the mindset put into the players by the manager before every game .

Take Taylor for example , we have been playing this 3 centre back formation for a couple of weeks , when John plays he holds a high line pretty much with the midfield which gives us options out wide . Taylor started yesterday who is super defensive and the whole outlook of the team changed . He sat deeper than fabio which totally unbalanced the team and left huge gaps both defensively and offensively . Now that was either down to him not knowing his role or ole telling him to sit deep .

With us having a flat back 5 like we did in the first 20 mins yesterday , it left our midfield totally exposed and overrun . Taylor should have been higher and tucking in not deep and wide . Fabio played his role well for the amount of time he was on but when he went off we brought on zaha which allowed us to pack the midfield with a flat back 4 . That took west broms main threat away which was only caused by the tactical mistakes that were made due to the players chosen to implement the original strategy .

That In my eyes was poor management .

So setting up the way you wanted, players not doing their job the first 15 minutes you think is poor management? Two silly goals in 9 minutes? I dont think anyone in their right mind could blame that on management! Getting level after that in a relegation fight, well thats management and team spirit for you

I like ole and the team spirit is good . The point of the post was he got it wrong with his choices , he saw the mistake and changed it . That's brilliant but it doesn't take away from the fact he got it wrong in the first place . They never set up as I would have liked them to because the players he chose were not capable of playing that system together . Look how much better we looked when it was changed just before and during half time . Players in positions they Re comfortable with not forced to play one they are not

I think we just have to agree on disagree the players didnt bother to show up for the first 15 minutes and thats it. I think they where 6 or 7 players arround the box on the second goal, and ole said they didnt play the way they planned..

I can't be assed arguing with you , if somebody says grass is green you would argue against it !
Go away and learn something about football then we can have a decent discussion on tactics and how they are implemented during a game

we were having a decent discussion, about how you slated Solskjaer for using the same formation you suggested we used yourself before the game.

The formation doesn't matter , it's the way that formation is implemented and the mindset put into the players by the manager before every game .

Take Taylor for example , we have been playing this 3 centre back formation for a couple of weeks , when John plays he holds a high line pretty much with the midfield which gives us options out wide . Taylor started yesterday who is super defensive and the whole outlook of the team changed . He sat deeper than fabio which totally unbalanced the team and left huge gaps both defensively and offensively . Now that was either down to him not knowing his role or ole telling him to sit deep .

With us having a flat back 5 like we did in the first 20 mins yesterday , it left our midfield totally exposed and overrun . Taylor should have been higher and tucking in not deep and wide . Fabio played his role well for the amount of time he was on but when he went off we brought on zaha which allowed us to pack the midfield with a flat back 4 . That took west broms main threat away which was only caused by the tactical mistakes that were made due to the players chosen to implement the original strategy .

That In my eyes was poor management .

So setting up the way you wanted, players not doing their job the first 15 minutes you think is poor management? Two silly goals in 9 minutes? I dont think anyone in their right mind could blame that on management! Getting level after that in a relegation fight, well thats management and team spirit for you

I like ole and the team spirit is good . The point of the post was he got it wrong with his choices , he saw the mistake and changed it . That's brilliant but it doesn't take away from the fact he got it wrong in the first place . They never set up as I would have liked them to because the players he chose were not capable of playing that system together . Look how much better we looked when it was changed just before and during half time . Players in positions they Re comfortable with not forced to play one they are not

They didn't play they way he would have liked too because the players he had at his disposal are not capable or have not mastered his style of football (john was injured , cala not fully fit). I really don't think he asked defence to stand still. He slated the first half hour himself said he had never seen them that pedestrian so don't think this was how they were supposed play. He was fairly quick to make sufficient changes the subs changed the game and saved a point. I would say his main mistake (with the players he had at hand) was playing Gunnarson. He offers very little at this level. With regards to the defence he didn't have that much of a choice.

In all fairness I haven't seen his interview so if he said that then I take it back , maybe it was the players not doing as they were asked

This is what a forum should be like , good debate and different views on the game , makes a nice change

Thomas say "Hi" to Roathy for us.

You must have hit Australia by now with that hole you're digging yourself.

That's the point the bad start imo was down to the changes made to the starting 11..we need consistency in the team , when you don't have it things like that happen more often

Good to read some joined-up thinking !