The poll of all polls - Malky Vs Dave Moans

People go on about malky having 10 players but they were decent players if I remember correctly who had made the playoffs the previous season.

the vast majority of the "decent players" had left.

When dj took over he couldn't fill a bench on our tour of Scotland and the previous years team were in a relegation fight.
well when Mackay took over, he did to have enough players to get a starting XI together. The previous team should never have been in the dog fight it was in either, which is why Lennie was sacked.

mcanuff,collins and gabidon arguably our best 3 players were sold,on top of this we had lost kav and vidmar was out of contract,it wasnt a case of davie taking on a bunch of players that had under performed,the best ones had left.
milky lost 3,burke,chops,jay, the rest were loanies.davie certainly didnt have players of the quality of marshal,mcnaughton,hudson,whittingham left to him,it was almost build from scratch

Looks like moans is beating milky in the vote, says alot about what people thought of the milkman

Both of these managers did fantastic jobs at certain times with this club. Jones had to put up with a lot of shit during his early days and turned us from a relegation battling Championship side into a promotion contending Championship side on a shoestring budget.

However, things went stale with Jones and Malky's introduction allowed the club to progress to the next level with the help of some additional funds.

Both managers had their pros and cons but both played key roles in helping us reach the Premier League. I don't know if it is possible to say one is better than the other because they both managed under different circumstances with different end results.

why wasnt there a protest/chant/riot over Jones

Jones, for the reasons already given, he took us from relegation candidates to promotion chasers and Wembley visitors year on year under most difficult circumstances.

I dont buy this bollocks about 10 senior players, if it was in the middle of the season fair enough, but 10 senior players at the start of pre-season, some of whom are the best in the division, is great for a manager, you dont have to get rid of the dead wood, plus a chequebook to spend on players you want. Maybe not as much as the promotion year but Kenny Miller was brought in on 25k a week, Cowie, Gunnarson, Taylor.etc. they all come for the money we were offering.

That said, in Malkys defence, I do feel if Jones had a little bit more Malky about him with regards player discipline he could very well have crossed the line. However, theres no doubt in my mind if Jones had been given the riches Malky had in our promotion year we would have done it, and done it in style.

On a side note I think Ole is going to surpass them both if hes given chance to finish the job.

AGREE FOR ONCE
not sure about the discipline bit,jones had to forfeit certain things...........you dont get a jay that passes the dosier test for 300k if you know what i mean.....but i did feel we were crying out for a medel type to just sit in front of back 4

Well, well, we can be civil to each other.

No way Malky would have signed a Jay type, I agree, maverick players were not on his radar.

The discipline bit was more aimed at Malky didnt take no messing from the players, there was no stories of players out getting pissed before a game, we are led to believe he run a strict regime, whereas Jones said the players were adults and he left it up to them what they got up to in their spare time, and didnt exactly come down like a ton of bricks on them when they did step out of line. So we are led to believe anyway.

In Bellamys book he said Chopra was checking his bets in the HT team talk.etc, you just couldnt imagine that being allowed to go on under Malky.

why wasnt there a protest/chant/riot over Jones

Jones never paid lip service to the fans, and the fans were not against Tan at the time.

In Malkys defence, wether you thought he was the man for the job or not, and I didnt, I was never a huge fan, the way the saga dragged on wasnt right. If Tan wanted him out in September he should have gave him the bullet then not in December.

Malky for me

One done a very good job with very little money and the other done a very good job with a lot of money in the C'ship

Yes Malky had 10 players at the start but Tan did back him with money, even if we didn’t pay much in transfer fees we still brought in a lot of free agents that come with their own costs of larger wages, signing on fees etc. But Malky still did a good job that season, infact he was a very good championship manager. Id love to know the name of those 10 players because the season before we had a pretty decent season so I bet he had some quality to build around.

But people forget when DJ took over he had very few players, I remember them going on a tour of Scotland with not enough senior players to fill the bench. This was at a time when we had struggled quite badly the year before under Lennie and were struggling financially.

Voted Malky as I preferred him, but Jones deserves nothing but praise for his time at this club. He dragged this club I to places it had no real place being, looking at the budgets he spent & what he achieved, was incredible.

The spine of the promotion winning side last season were all DJ signings too.

Will always be fondly remembered by me.

Jones. He worked under serious financial restraints, players leaving etc but he still established us as a top championship team. Malky in his first season had similar financial backing and did great, but after that he was considerably backed (£70 mil over two seasons ) and we're struggling to keep our heads above water. There's not much in it though for me

The needless editing of posts is ridiculous. If the OP said Milky it should be left as that. At worst both milky and moans should have been edited but even that isnt acceptable.

cant agree more.. Milky was changed on another thread yesterday..with the reasoning that more respect should be shown.
surely DJ who by any standards did a descent job should be shown that respect also?

or //leave the post header alone..its light not nasty..it now shows preference that the OP never intended.

Jones for style of football and malky for the fight he instilled in his players.agree with the post about Jones was only missing the holding midfielder. We were very weak in the middle with jones.

i think its fair to say both excelled with a small budget but as soon as the purse strings were loosened both were left wanting.

for me malky just edges it but i'll always have respect for what jones did for the club

I appreciate how far Jones took us on a limited budget, but Malky was left with only 10 senior players and had to assemble his own squad during his first season, also on a limited budget. Jones and Malky got similar results, both achieving playoff places and cup runs. However, I think Malky brought in players with a better character and made us tougher to beat, particularly at home. Although Malky had the backing Jones never had last season, I don't think Jones would have won the league title by 8 points if he had an identical budget to Malky. It's a tough vote, but Malky just gets the edge for me.

The fact you state malky is just edging it over Dave jones doesn't say much for malky, as jones is no better than a decent championship manager. I still think jones is a better manager than malky when you o by Botha past achievements.

I disagree. Jones previously took Wolves into the Premiership and did a brilliant job with us overall. However, I can't forget us losing to Preston 6-0, then losing our last 4 matches that season to allow Preston to sneak into the playoffs instead of us. The season Jones got sacked, his players once again threw away promotion with the Middlesbrough debacle and then the 3-0 Reading defeat in the playoffs. It was obvious with players contracts ending and our squad aging, Jones wasn't going to take us any further. Jones did great to get us challenging for promotion on limited resources, but I thought it was the right time to get rid of him and bring a new manager in.

Malky was brought in and immediately assembled a squad of players with the professionalism, character and spirit that was lacking with Dave Jones' squad. Gone were the days our manager took to the golf course during training sessions and every player was told to leave their ego on the doorstep. Some have mentioned Malky brought in Kenny Miller on 25k per week, but I still think he was a good signing. Not a great signing, but Miller did his bit and worked his guts out for us with little service. Let's not forget Jones had players on big wages as well such as Chopra and Hudson, and they both commanded big transfer fees as well. When Malky took over, players like Chopra and Bothroyd had gone and Malky only spent 1.5 million on transfer fees in his first season.

Malky also improved our set up off the pitch as well, there was no sport science, medical or physio departments and no recruitment department before Malky arrived. Malky completely changed our set up off the pitch, everyone bought into his ethos and we won the league by 8 points. The OP asked what manager I thought did best for us, I gave an honest answer as Jones did a brilliant job constantly getting us challenging for promotion and taking us to cup finals. Performance wise on the pitch, there's no denying both managers achieved similar performances. But despite Malky being backed last season, the majority of the players he brought in on a limited budget in his first season still hugely contributed to us winning the title. But with regards to what both managers did for our club as a whole, Malky gets my vote by a mile.

Jones all day. Both had a lot to deal with off the field. Malky's problems were political, Jones's were diabolical. Neither are premiership managers though. Ole on the other hand, is a premiership manager without a doubt, be that with us, or with another club. The club wouldn't be where it is without, Jones or Malky and the money of Sri Tan.

Censorship on this forum is reaching ridiculousness. At least edit out both insults rather than your beloved Malky. Looks like Dave Jones is edging it then despite the hypocrisy and propaganda.

Censorship on this forum is reaching ridiculousness. At least edit out both insults rather than your beloved Malky. Looks like Dave Jones is edging it then despite the hypocrisy and propaganda.

I appreciate how far Jones took us on a limited budget, but Malky was left with only 10 senior players and had to assemble his own squad during his first season, also on a limited budget. Jones and Malky got similar results, both achieving playoff places and cup runs. However, I think Malky brought in players with a better character and made us tougher to beat, particularly at home. Although Malky had the backing Jones never had last season, I don't think Jones would have won the league title by 8 points if he had an identical budget to Malky. It's a tough vote, but Malky just gets the edge for me.

The fact you state malky is just edging it over Dave jones doesn't say much for malky, as jones is no better than a decent championship manager. I still think jones is a better manager than malky when you o by Botha past achievements.

I disagree. Jones previously took Wolves into the Premiership and did a brilliant job with us overall. However, I can't forget us losing to Preston 6-0, then losing our last 4 matches that season to allow Preston to sneak into the playoffs instead of us. The season Jones got sacked, his players once again threw away promotion with the Middlesbrough debacle and then the 3-0 Reading defeat in the playoffs. It was obvious with players contracts ending and our squad aging, Jones wasn't going to take us any further. Jones did great to get us challenging for promotion on limited resources, but I thought it was the right time to get rid of him and bring a new manager in.

Malky was brought in and immediately assembled a squad of players with the professionalism, character and spirit that was lacking with Dave Jones' squad. Gone were the days our manager took to the golf course during training sessions and every player was told to leave their ego on the doorstep. Some have mentioned Malky brought in Kenny Miller on 25k per week, but I still think he was a good signing. Not a great signing, but Miller did his bit and worked his guts out for us with little service. Let's not forget Jones had players on big wages as well such as Chopra and Hudson, and they both commanded big transfer fees as well. When Malky took over, players like Chopra and Bothroyd had gone and Malky only spent 1.5 million on transfer fees in his first season.

Malky also improved our set up off the pitch as well, there was no sport science, medical or physio departments and no recruitment department before Malky arrived. Malky completely changed our set up off the pitch, everyone bought into his ethos and we won the league by 8 points. The OP asked what manager I thought did best for us, I gave an honest answer as Jones did a brilliant job constantly getting us challenging for promotion and taking us to cup finals. Performance wise on the pitch, there's no denying both managers achieved similar performances. But despite Malky being backed last season, the majority of the players he brought in on a limited budget in his first season still hugely contributed to us winning the title. But with regards to what both managers did for our club as a whole, Malky gets my vote by a mile.

i read Malkys article re the medical/physio depts..scouting ,fences around car parks..in brief bigging himself up......which i didnt like tbh.......whitts gave an interview the very same week about how much things had changed at the club in his time.........lots and lots......but none of that stuff from malky got a mention.........do you really think the club stood still under DJ?..ans as for scouting..f**k he signed some players..how?..........

Censorship on this forum is reaching ridiculousness. At least edit out both insults rather than your beloved Malky. Looks like Dave Jones is edging it then despite the hypocrisy and propaganda.

looks like they have both been edited...although in reality neither should have been

The jury is out on Malky, people are saying he was found -out in the top league, yet, we were doing well until Tan sacked Moody and started moaning about the player's bonuses. We'll never get a good manager again, while Tan is running our club.

I like Ole's demeanour but to say he is better than Malky or cut-out for the prem is bizare when you think about his results and his decision to play like Keegan's Newcastle while entering a dogfight. Must be Man Utd fans

Censorship on this forum is reaching ridiculousness. At least edit out both insults rather than your beloved Malky. Looks like Dave Jones is edging it then despite the hypocrisy and propaganda.

pathetic isnt it!

Perhaps Dave jones and Malky has a manager and an assistant would have made a good team with their combined attributes. Just hope that if and when everything comes out in the wash that the work Malky done isn't tarnished. In the future when we look back what the two done for our club they should be both applauded.

Malky was more of a man with a plan, he built a structure and a squad with the future in my mind. It was always a building process with Malky and if left alone it would've been interesting to see where he could've taken us. He made some unconvincing signings, some costly ones just like most managers, but I genuinely believe he signed more good than bad. His football wasn't very pretty but it was effective and ultimately successful.

Jonesy played more exciting football and gave us some memories I'll never forget. He made some great signings on small fee's, Kev, Whitts, Chopra, McCormack, Bothroyd just to name a few but also signed some big blunders over the years. I don't think he really had a long term plan, it was just simply assemble a squad each season that was going to challenge for promotion.

I think Malky is the better of the two, BUT I enjoyed watching the City more under Jones for the sheer fact the club was the Cardiff City I loved back then.

bloody hell jones beating milky in a poll didnt expect that do you think that jones would of spent the 35-50 miliion better than milky

U cant even compare, Malky Mackay a legend, Jones a nearly man who lost the dressing room and the fans and the media through his arrogance

U cant even compare, Malky Mackay a legend, Jones a nearly man who lost the dressing room and the fans and the media through his arrogance

Totally agree Annis

U cant even compare, Malky Mackay a legend, Jones a nearly man who lost the dressing room and the fans and the media through his arrogance

Totally agree Annis

lost the changing room........5wins
4 draws
1 defeat were his last 10 league games.
f**k me i hope Ole loses the dressing room,and quickly

Voted Malky as I preferred him, but Jones deserves nothing but praise for his time at this club. He dragged this club I to places it had no real place being, looking at the budgets he spent & what he achieved, was incredible.

The spine of the promotion winning side last season were all DJ signings too.

Will always be fondly remembered by me.

Barry, I often find I agree with you and I do here - am I mad?!!

Looking back, we've been very lucky to have two such good managers.

When I look back further - Phil Neal, Russell Osman, Bobby Gould, Alan Durban - there's been some real shockers.

I preferred Malky for his organisation and the team's workrate.

But Jones, although a hard man to love who was contemptuous of the fans, he brought me many happy memories.