Why are Cardiff fans trying to discredit the march?

So you are allowed to give your estimate on the numbers but others who give honest opinions which are lower than yours are just discrediting the march ?

Your estimate is way below the " official " numbers so maybe you are doing it a disservice as well ?

Its people like you that the ol fella is aiming at. He is correct.

So what your saying is only certain people who agree with you are allowed an opinion on certain matters ?

He is giving his estimate on the numbers he believed turned up which is not far off IMO aswell .
But others who believed there were slightly less are just trying to discredit the efforts of the organisers ? That's a load of bollocks and you know it !

And what do you mean people like me ?
I haven't said anything bad about the march , I just believe everybody is entitled to an opinion especially on a forum and shouldn't get ridiculed for it

They are scared of the amount of humble pie they will be eating when the BLUE army wins a famous victory.

Do you consider potential liquidation a victory?

The BU march was just awful. I don't protest, but would like to see my team in blue. But I actually was proud of those who protested on saturday. Seeing the photos of the stands before the game was great. Mostly blue, barely any red. It made me want to join the protests as it was done in such a good manner, and I think I will

This is exactly why he protest was a success. I've no doubt it will get even bigger now.

My opinion is, unless Tan does something ridiculous to inspire even more people against him, that's as good as it will get. Just my opinion though.

I note how numbers against Tan and on the march have increased since the events around Malky, that left a sour taste in a lot of mouths.

The BU march was an absolute joke and I said as much at the time. It was embarrassing, poorly attended and too aggressive. We need the whole range of Cardiff fans and not just pissed up young men screaming racial slurs and shouting at people in red shirts.

The two marches couldn't have been further apart in terms of attitude and vibe.

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

You could turn the table and look at it from the other side. When you think of the build up to the march, all the anti tan propaganda and bullshit half-truths to create a buzz and generate numbers for the march. People cant honestly say they dont get upset with the way this is done on here? Instead of sensible arguments, all opinions against the march, the tan hatred or even colors are being labeled as tan wankers, lovers and worse. I have no trouble understanding and supporting the heritage, love for the badge, colors and the club. But in fact some people on here would see the club crash and burn to get their will. I have a very strong will on trustfulness and honesty. The way arguments are presented on here, even from some on the board is far from it. It`s utterly unnecessary and would come across much better in a sensible way. A good debate with more views will always be taken more serious. I know this post will be slated as «Tan loving», but its far from it. Deep down you all know this and i am honestly shocked not more of you oppose it. In fact the march would never be a success without the support of the trust and supporter club. And none of them needed say a negative word. When you go to these lengths, there will always be extreme opposites, and the golden middle way will get clouded with nonsense and fighting. After all, we all speak from the love of the club. When you make your bed….

So you are allowed to give your estimate on the numbers but others who give honest opinions which are lower than yours are just discrediting the march ?

Your estimate is way below the " official " numbers so maybe you are doing it a disservice as well ?

Its people like you that the ol fella is aiming at. He is correct.

True words. Just don't understand the agenda of these people

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

You could turn the table and look at it from the other side. When you think of the build up to the march, all the anti tan propaganda and bullshit half-truths to create a buzz and generate numbers for the march. People cant honestly say they dont get upset with the way this is done on here? Instead of sensible arguments, all opinions against the march, the tan hatred or even colors are being labeled as tan wankers, lovers and worse. I have no trouble understanding and supporting the heritage, love for the badge, colors and the club. But in fact some people on here would see the club crash and burn to get their will. I have a very strong will on trustfulness and honesty. The way arguments are presented on here, even from some on the board is far from it. It`s utterly unnecessary and would come across much better in a sensible way. A good debate with more views will always be taken more serious. I know this post will be slated as «Tan loving», but its far from it. Deep down you all know this and i am honestly shocked not more of you oppose it. In fact the march would never be a success without the support of the trust and supporter club. And none of them needed say a negative word. When you go to these lengths, there will always be extreme opposites, and the golden middle way will get clouded with nonsense and fighting. After all, we all speak from the love of the club. When you make your bed….

Don't really understand your point about the supporters clubs?
At the end of the day, football fans are activists so when we want something changed we take action, there's always a few individuals that give people stick or put silly posts here but this doesn't reflect the majority of the thousands that came together and made positive movements and done their club proud on Saturday.
And for every quote on here saying there was 1.5k on the march and it's effecting the games negatively and just generally picking holes on a hugely successful stride to show not only Cardiff but the all football fans that fans still have a voice isn't this just 'propaganda' as you say from the other side of the fence?
By the comming together of all the supporters clubs and forums etc. We've finally made it clear that were not against tan but we just want our identity and respect back and we're entitled to peacefully protest for it, how can you disagree with that?

Some are missing the point here:

The exact numbers who took part in the march, the number who held up their colours at 19:27, etc. Why nit-pick?

What matters is that the march took place, had substantial numbers, went off totally peacefully (as recorded by the police) and nobody held up a red scarf that I could see at 19:27hrs. Isn't that something to be proud of? Is there pride and is there passion? Is there a team worth supporting, whatever the colour for now? It's not the players choice to play in any given colour.


Now I'll go further: in a way, even the 19:27 thing is open to criticism from outside moaners (past glory, etc). How about celebrating 20:13 when CCFC were promoted to the Premier League for the first time as CHAMPIONS? That is far more immediate and tangible to even the youngest of fans.

The in-fighting is so unproductive. It should be ok to voice opinions without being shot down.

Some are missing the point here:

The exact numbers who took part in the march, the number who held up their colours at 19:27, etc. Why nit-pick?

What matters is that the march took place, had substantial numbers, went off totally peacefully (as recorded by the police) and nobody held up a red scarf that I could see at 19:27hrs. Isn't that something to be proud of? Is there pride and is there passion? Is there a team worth supporting, whatever the colour for now? It's not the players choice to play in any given colour.


Now I'll go further: in a way, even the 19:27 thing is open to criticism from outside moaners (past glory, etc). How about celebrating 20:13 when CCFC were promoted to the Premier League for the first time as CHAMPIONS? That is far more immediate and tangible to even the youngest of fans.

The in-fighting is so unproductive. It should be ok to voice opinions without being shot down.

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

They obviously work for the club or have an association with the shareholders mate

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

They obviously work for the club or have an association with the shareholders mate

Is that the new hot thing? Everybody with an opinion are on the payroll? Dont find it strange people are trying to get some figures. After all this was also marked as an "show Tan we are more than 10%". Nothing discrediting about that!
Fok, even the ecko stated 1500 when the march started.

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

They obviously work for the club or have an association with the shareholders mate

Is that the new hot thing? Everybody with an opinion are on the payroll? Dont find it strange people are trying to get some figures. After all this was also marked as an "show Tan we are more than 10%". Nothing discrediting about that!
Fok, even the ecko stated 1500 when the march started.

But seriously would anyone be pro red?

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

They obviously work for the club or have an association with the shareholders mate

Is that the new hot thing? Everybody with an opinion are on the payroll? Dont find it strange people are trying to get some figures. After all this was also marked as an "show Tan we are more than 10%". Nothing discrediting about that!
Fok, even the ecko stated 1500 when the march started.

But seriously would anyone be pro red?

Who said? Only one ive ever heard say that is tan. Whats your point?

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

Outside the Napier there was Anti-Tan chants, this numbers debate comes across like a school yard quite honestly it's pathetic.

I note how numbers against Tan and on the march have increased since the events around Malky, that left a sour taste in a lot of mouths.

Can only speak from my own perspective but thats purely co-incidental on my part, and the fact I marched this time, and not any other time was f**k all to do with the sacking Malky.

I tried to reluctantly accept the red, I tried to give Tan a chance, but he just shows such disdain to the fans every time he opens his mouth. He is a PR disaster.

The fact he put season ticket prices up 16% then basically offered that increase to the players as a bonus, albeit he wasnt allowed to, left more of a sour taste than getting rid of Malky.

I got nothing against Tan, he is a business man.......BUT i will always want Cardiff to be blue especially when playing at home, red as an away colour i have NO issue at all with..... as long as all march's are peaceful then i dont see why anyone has a problem with that......

you have people who have a desire to see your club back in blue with a decent badge not a beer mat and people oppose them? crackers.full credit to all who marched and the organisers k.r.o

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

You could turn the table and look at it from the other side. When you think of the build up to the march, all the anti tan propaganda and bullshit half-truths to create a buzz and generate numbers for the march. People cant honestly say they dont get upset with the way this is done on here? Instead of sensible arguments, all opinions against the march, the tan hatred or even colors are being labeled as tan wankers, lovers and worse. I have no trouble understanding and supporting the heritage, love for the badge, colors and the club. But in fact some people on here would see the club crash and burn to get their will. I have a very strong will on trustfulness and honesty. The way arguments are presented on here, even from some on the board is far from it. It`s utterly unnecessary and would come across much better in a sensible way. A good debate with more views will always be taken more serious. I know this post will be slated as «Tan loving», but its far from it. Deep down you all know this and i am honestly shocked not more of you oppose it. In fact the march would never be a success without the support of the trust and supporter club. And none of them needed say a negative word. When you go to these lengths, there will always be extreme opposites, and the golden middle way will get clouded with nonsense and fighting. After all, we all speak from the love of the club. When you make your bed….

Don't really understand your point about the supporters clubs?
At the end of the day, football fans are activists so when we want something changed we take action, there's always a few individuals that give people stick or put silly posts here but this doesn't reflect the majority of the thousands that came together and made positive movements and done their club proud on Saturday.
And for every quote on here saying there was 1.5k on the march and it's effecting the games negatively and just generally picking holes on a hugely successful stride to show not only Cardiff but the all football fans that fans still have a voice isn't this just 'propaganda' as you say from the other side of the fence?
By the comming together of all the supporters clubs and forums etc. We've finally made it clear that were not against tan but we just want our identity and respect back and we're entitled to peacefully protest for it, how can you disagree with that?

My point on the supporter clubs is somewhat of how to conduct, and without them the numbers and success wouldn't be there imo. It would just be another bu march. Heavily debated on here when talks of the march first began. Brilliant move to rejoin all on the march, not so brilliant to ride the old tan is a wanker camel back on here. Anyone not knowing what im on about, have a read back, if only the last week before the march. I do not disagree with with your view one bit! Everyone who marched should be proud for the peaceful marking of their view. They should enjoy every bit of positive energy they got from it. But i also understand people who would like to approach the matter in a different manner, and even in a different time. My point being they are both right! Everyone should be respected for their views, and the only harmful ones are lies.The protest can be seen as both a failure and success. Depend of how you look at it. Official number from supporter clubs are just above 3000 on the march, which mark around 14%. Surely this opens up for a debate? Pros and cons, whats next and so on. But again we have to go for the extreme opposites. If Tan as much as take a breath of fresh air and the media report it, it`s war zone all over again. And where do the opinion go then? Right back to the start, with some wanting tan out and some for color, and the fighting continues..All in the most important weeks for the club in decades.

you have people who have a desire to see your club back in blue with a decent badge not a beer mat and people oppose them? crackers.full credit to all who marched and the organisers k.r.o

Spot on Jeff, I understand peoples concerns regarding Tan leaving us with nothing but I do not understand fans getting upset that their fellow fans are doing something about trying to return to blue.

Dawyd, signed up very recently, posting a load of rubbish. Wonder who he is.

you have people who have a desire to see your club back in blue with a decent badge not a beer mat and people oppose them? crackers.full credit to all who marched and the organisers k.r.o

Spot on Jeff, I understand peoples concerns regarding Tan leaving us with nothing but I do not understand fans getting upset that their fellow fans are doing something about trying to return to blue.

Dawyd, signed up very recently, posting a load of rubbish. Wonder who he is.

What rubbish then? Why? Is this one of your gwyn gnome in your closet theories?

Next time you sit down to watch a march, bring one of these

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I actually counted the marchers by dotting heads on freeze frame of footage passing under that first bridge......Official figure on headcount 4,616

Took me 3 hours, ended up having to download a programme that marks the head as you click on it. (4,616 times, and yes pro-reds i am that sad ) so there we have it, no more bickering lets move on.

On a side note i spoted a few things of interest to Barry Chuckle that will probably rule him out of the future campaign , while zooming in on individuals. One guy smoking a spliff and puffing smoking rings into the back of a fellow city fans head.

I actually counted the marchers by dotting heads on freeze frame of footage passing under that first bridge......Official figure on headcount 4,616

Took me 3 hours, ended up having to download a programme that marks the head as you click on it. (4,616 times, and yes pro-reds i am that sad ) so there we have it, no more bickering lets move on.

On a side note i spoted a few things of interest to Barry Chuckle that will probably rule him out of the future campaign , while zooming in on individuals. One guy smoking a spliff and puffing smoking rings into the back of a fellow city fans head.

There you have it! Should have come out days ago no wonder it was a peacefull march, and probably trying to smoke out a red

I think they are scared that tan will walk , so at every opportunity they can they rubbish anything blue.

soulofthesea
Redordead
Natman red , these are the ones that spring to mind.

bunch of wet cynts spring to my mind

im far more pro blue or pro Cardiff than anyone that would see this club in a financial mess,and maybe having to be reformed and play in..????? the welsh league?
yes scared he will walk............its why 20 odd thousand people avoided the march deliberately......duh

I think they are scared that tan will walk , so at every opportunity they can they rubbish anything blue.

soulofthesea
Redordead
Natman red , these are the ones that spring to mind.

have a real good look...i was banging on about the march es and protests being ALL ABOUT BLUE a year ago........BLUE.if it had always been purely about blue we would be f*cking blue...........NO you lot wanted to hate tan..be abussive,,make it about yourselves not the colour..........so NOW eventually, the penny has dropped, you were the pro blues all along..nope you are still the people responsible for this horrible red by making it impossible for the vast majority to show how they feel..

Pretty difficult to have a really good look a year ago when you only joined 6 months ago

Pretty difficult to have a really good look a year ago when you only joined 6 months ago

Pretty difficult to have a really good look a year ago when you only joined 6 months ago

Before the last few days I used to laugh at those who thought that some posters on here were Anti-blue but I have been bewildered by some of the comments on here trying to say that the numbers were less than they were, that there were anti Tan chants and most people were pissed up and it was far from peaceful. It is just out and out lies and it's the same few posters time and time again.

However by my estimations their were well over 3k, plus the vast majority of the stadium during the game made their feelings for the blue clear. I wasn't on the march so cannot comment on everything but I was in Canton from 11am in the pubs, I saw many splinter groups making their way to the Napier, I saw no racism, no hooligan behaviour, those on the march were not just pissed up uneducated young men that made up the majority of the disastrous BU march but families, ordinary Cardiff fans and obviously many were pissed, like myself, but the difference was there was no anger and aggressiveness that characterized earlier marches.

What are these people trying to achieve by discrediting Saturdays efforts?

Not sure why you're surprised, you were doing all these things yourself to the BU marches, which was also untrue...

Redror dead estimate of Russian soldiers entering Crimea is 28

Redror dead estimate of Russian soldiers entering Crimea is 28

No, it's only 15. Some of them just happened to be entering Crimea and weren't marching.