CLUB FINANCES BEFORE A PROTEST

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

You are making quite a big statement there, in my experience No march to date has been racist, agressive or violent, I wouldn't be making bold forccasts without some evidence or inside info...... what gives you reason to believe this march could turn racist when all the others weren't?

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

You are making quite a big statement there, in my experience No march to date has been racist, agressive or violent, I wouldn't be making bold forccasts without some evidence or inside info...... what gives you reason to believe this march could turn racist when all the others weren't?

I am confident it is going to go o.k. The primary objective is a return of our identity and that is why the majority will march and what most fans feel more passionate about. The tan to stay or tan out is a matter for another day although they are linked obviously . Why don't we try to be positive for a change and not label our fanbase with the same stereotypes that most of the media think we are. If we as fans have such a low opinion of ourselves then we can't complain when others think we're Neanderthals

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137999

I've always put the financial security of Cardiff City before the colour of a shirt,yes the colour means a lot to some fans and i understand this but a financially secure club Imo should be top of the list.We were at one stage literally minutes from going to the wall but look how far we've come since those dark days,the stadium and it's facilities,investment in new players,a new state of the art training ground,long standing debts settled and finally a place in the premier league.

I urge fans think twice before protesting today and the consequence's it could bring,as ogs said now is the time to concentrate solely on matters on the pitch not off it.

Ignore him this poster is on a wind up

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137999

I've always put the financial security of Cardiff City before the colour of a shirt,yes the colour means a lot to some fans and i understand this but a financially secure club Imo should be top of the list.We were at one stage literally minutes from going to the wall but look how far we've come since those dark days,the stadium and it's facilities,investment in new players,a new state of the art training ground,long standing debts settled and finally a place in the premier league.

I urge fans think twice before protesting today and the consequence's it could bring,as ogs said now is the time to concentrate solely on matters on the pitch not off it.

Ignore him this poster is on a wind up

If not he's thick as pig shit

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137999

I've always put the financial security of Cardiff City before the colour of a shirt,yes the colour means a lot to some fans and i understand this but a financially secure club Imo should be top of the list.We were at one stage literally minutes from going to the wall but look how far we've come since those dark days,the stadium and it's facilities,investment in new players,a new state of the art training ground,long standing debts settled and finally a place in the premier league.

I urge fans think twice before protesting today and the consequence's it could bring,as ogs said now is the time to concentrate solely on matters on the pitch not off it.

Ignore him this poster is on a wind up

If not he's thick as pig shit

You sounded so sensible in your previous post then you shot yourself in the foot,and the same will probably happen today,you just can't control yourself can you.NEANDERTHAL

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

I think you're spot on again! There was a post a few weeks back about Tan thinking he is bigger than the club, unfortunately I think that's an opinion more strongly held by some of our fans and unfortunately it could spell the end of it all for all of us.

In response to someone else's comments the abuse (some of which has been racist) has been evident on this board. Some of which I've reported in recent times.

I got bake commenting now,the man who said investers were queuing around the block to save city
You've inserted a link at the top of my post and three mods trying to discredit me ,one who waves Malaysian flags at games ....who's worried?

I think Ian is a good guy but he has made some crazy statements that probably push fence sitters to the other side.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137999

I've always put the financial security of Cardiff City before the colour of a shirt,yes the colour means a lot to some fans and i understand this but a financially secure club Imo should be top of the list.We were at one stage literally minutes from going to the wall but look how far we've come since those dark days,the stadium and it's facilities,investment in new players,a new state of the art training ground,long standing debts settled and finally a place in the premier league.

I urge fans think twice before protesting today and the consequence's it could bring,as ogs said now is the time to concentrate solely on matters on the pitch not off it.

Ignore him this poster is on a wind up

If not he's thick as pig shit

You sounded so sensible in your previous post then you shot yourself in the foot,and the same will probably happen today,you just can't control yourself can you.NEANDERTHAL

funniest post you've ever made redordead

Nah you're alright. I'll be protesting along with thousands of other fans.

Notice how recorded hadn't answered any of the questions about the finances? Either clueless or deluded.

Leave the finances to Vincent Tan and Mehmet I'm sure their better qualified than you or i.Fans should concentrate on what they do best supporting the team on the pitch.

Blind faith then? Nah i'll be a free thinking human being, but thanks for the orders

There isnt much sence arguing about it is there? Most people on here cant even count to ten!
If you where the investor righ now, would you convert the depth? Why not? Becourse you would loose a shit load of money, thats why. Either people on here are stupid as fok, or they just want things to argue about. And everyone thinking different like redordead have to be on a clueless wind up! I dont agree with him most the time, but he sure is doing what he belive is right. I can assure you he did alot more after the meting with the club than "some". going right to the particispant, and not on this board moaning his hart out. I respect him for that, and to hold his own opinion

Notice how recorded hadn't answered any of the questions about the finances? Either clueless or deluded.

Leave the finances to Vincent Tan and Mehmet I'm sure their better qualified than you or i.Fans should concentrate on what they do best supporting the team on the pitch.

Blind faith then? Nah i'll be a free thinking human being, but thanks for the orders

There isnt much sence arguing about it is there? Most people on here cant even count to ten!
If you where the investor righ now, would you convert the depth? Why not? Becourse you would loose a shit load of money, thats why. Either people on here are stupid as fok, or they just want things to argue about. And everyone thinking different like redordead have to be on a clueless wind up! I dont agree with him most the time, but he sure is doing what he belive is right. I can assure you he did alot more after the meting with the club than "some". going right to the particispant, and not on this board moaning his hart out. I respect him for that, and to hold his own opinion

So slagging people off on here for not being able to count to ten , But you can't even spell properly

Notice how recorded hadn't answered any of the questions about the finances? Either clueless or deluded.

Leave the finances to Vincent Tan and Mehmet I'm sure their better qualified than you or i.Fans should concentrate on what they do best supporting the team on the pitch.

Blind faith then? Nah i'll be a free thinking human being, but thanks for the orders

There isnt much sence arguing about it is there? Most people on here cant even count to ten!
If you where the investor righ now, would you convert the depth? Why not? Becourse you would loose a shit load of money, thats why. Either people on here are stupid as fok, or they just want things to argue about. And everyone thinking different like redordead have to be on a clueless wind up! I dont agree with him most the time, but he sure is doing what he belive is right. I can assure you he did alot more after the meting with the club than "some". going right to the particispant, and not on this board moaning his hart out. I respect him for that, and to hold his own opinion

So slagging people off on here for not being able to count to ten , But you can't even spell properly

You can send your complaint here http://www.apple.com, and tell them to apply apps for thick fingers and thick skulls would you convert the depth now? And why?

It's not about shooting myself in the foot. I know why I am going on the march I can't speak for everyone else but I'm confident it's going to show us in a good light and showing the world that somethings mean more than playing in the premiership. Shooting yourself in the foot is when statements are made like tan has payed the debts off. I missed that one obviously.

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

You are making quite a big statement there, in my experience No march to date has been racist, agressive or violent, I wouldn't be making bold forccasts without some evidence or inside info...... what gives you reason to believe this march could turn racist when all the others weren't?

not entirely true my wife and i witnessed the first march and the group gathered by the keenor statue were certainly throwing plenty of racial abuse about.
theres been plenty of abuse aimed at tan in the ground home and away as well. its not acceptable wherever it occurs

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

You are making quite a big statement there, in my experience No march to date has been racist, agressive or violent, I wouldn't be making bold forccasts without some evidence or inside info...... what gives you reason to believe this march could turn racist when all the others weren't?

not entirely true my wife and i witnessed the first march and the group gathered by the keenor statue were certainly throwing plenty of racial abuse about.
theres been plenty of abuse aimed at tan in the ground home and away as well. its not acceptable wherever it occurs

The nature of any march has not been racist, as a a regular attendee who opposes discriminition of any minority, i can garauntee you this. I believe you are confusing individual acts of alledged racism with an over all modes operandi of the march. which isn't fair.
If there is racism by 10 people in the stadium today, and you are present in that stadium, is it right for me to then suggest you regulary attend a racist gathering? I don't think you're being fair with your characterisation of this march, all it's doing is detracting away from what today's march is about. Local fans showing the world what our identity means to us. give us little people a chance, after all, where would all the board members be, without us?

I'm not red but I'm totally with him. Read the other posts on here and you can read in loads of 'anti tan' comments connected to the march. Every Annis' post asking people to attend if blues is there only issue turns anti Tan below too many posts are added.

You simply wont change Tans mind by abusing him and that's why I won't be marching.

Also the march wont be as big as expected anyway. I'm a member of the Supporters Club and the Trust and there hasn't been any kind of official confirmation or contact about the march so if I wasn't a regular reader on here I wouldn't even know it was on.

Get behind the team instead of trying to set the club back by losing the one owner who was willing to spend any money (no matter how much actual amounts are disputed).

I noticed that with the flyer that nobody has actually put their name to it or endorsed it. covering all the bases i expect in case tan throws his toys out of the cot.

how likely do you think that is steve? Honestly, this March, with a number of racist idiots etc who are bound to attend and cause disruption this march could just throw a huge cannister of petrol on to the match which all we will be left with is ashes.

Personally i dont think it will affect him at all unless the march turns racist which i believe is a distinct possibility. Who is there to marshall the crowd as i have not seen anyone publicly endorse the march or take responsibilty for ensuring it is peaceful.
yes there has been plenty of encouragement on this board to keep it anti racist but by the same token there has been an unhealthy hatred of tan pushed by prominent members of the board as the march has got closer.
good luck to them if it goes peacefully but as much as i want a return to blue i believe there is no chance under tan and a lot of the people on the march have been happy to accept his money previously and a lot of the ill feeling and frustration i suspect is because we are on the verge of being relegated.
For some people it will be the first time in their lives wheras it will take me into double figures.
If the march has 2500 people on it still only represents about 10% of the home support so tan would still say that only 10% is against him in real figures although we know a larger amount would prefer a return to blue.
I suspect there are a large amount of marchers who would be happy for tan to stay if he returned to blue but there are also a proportion of the marchers who i believe just want tan gone no matter what.
one thing is for certain if we get relegated the people screaming about the debt will want tan to spend another small fortune in the summer to guarantee an instant return to the premiership.

You are making quite a big statement there, in my experience No march to date has been racist, agressive or violent, I wouldn't be making bold forccasts without some evidence or inside info...... what gives you reason to believe this march could turn racist when all the others weren't?

not entirely true my wife and i witnessed the first march and the group gathered by the keenor statue were certainly throwing plenty of racial abuse about.
theres been plenty of abuse aimed at tan in the ground home and away as well. its not acceptable wherever it occurs

The nature of any march has not been racist, as a a regular attendee who opposes discriminition of any minority, i can garauntee you this. I believe you are confusing individual acts of alledged racism with an over all modes operandi of the march. which isn't fair.
If there is racism by 10 people in the stadium today, and you are present in that stadium, is it right for me to then suggest you regulary attend a racist gathering? I don't think you're being fair with your characterisation of this march, all it's doing is detracting away from what today's march is about. Local fans showing the world what our identity means to us. give us little people a chance, after all, where would all the board members be, without us?

Im not suggesting for one minute that the march will intend to have racist overtones but you can bet your bottom dollar if you have 20 people chanting racial abuse about tan that is what the march will be headlined for.
Its the vocal minority which tend to cause all the issues and to be fair cardiff have suffered for years where 20 supporters carrying out an act of hooliganism has tarred the rest of the support with the same brush.
as ive said earlier good luck with it and i hope it does go off peacefully but i dont see it changing tans attitude toward colour