Swansea only two players away from having a good team

You are taking part of laudrup's tenure and not his complete tenure, which is the most accurate way of doing it, in your own words.

Its very easy to take a piece from one conversation and apply it to a completely other and then argue against it. But the context is completely different.

That was in response to someone wanting to just compare 4 games in both tenures, when quoting, you must check the context.

In terms of this debate, i think its acceptable to use full tenures as a full body of work, or the full tenures that hold most significance, that would be same squad and season.

But as I said, either one sees monk average the amount required to see us safe with ease.

Cant compare because of different squads now, thats a new one.

of course you can, ive not said otherwise. But if you are going to go away from most significance then it is wise to use the whole data.

Was happy to compare Monk to Rodgers when it was in Monks favour, and lets be fair Monk has a far better squad at his disposal than Rodgers.

completely happy as it was their complete body of work.

Mr Sensational has the best squad to work with yet the worst ratio in Swans Premiership history.

he has exactly the same squad as Laudrup had this season. And their points to game ratio is the same.

Monk is out of his depth, tightarse Huw gambling with the Swans Premiership future rather than get a decent manager in.

you also said Medel was a good signing remember

I think this is another case where we will just have to wait for you to agree with me

Crazy.

tell me about it

You are taking part of laudrup's tenure and not his complete tenure, which is the most accurate way of doing it, in your own words.

Its very easy to take a piece from one conversation and apply it to a completely other and then argue against it. But the context is completely different.

That was in response to someone wanting to just compare 4 games in both tenures, when quoting, you must check the context.

In terms of this debate, i think its acceptable to use full tenures as a full body of work, or the full tenures that hold most significance, that would be same squad and season.

But as I said, either one sees monk average the amount required to see us safe with ease.

The context is not different at all, its the same argument, just on a different thread.

That person wanted to compare Monks whole tenure of 4 games against Laudrups first 4 games and you wouldnt let him stating comparing complete tenure's is the most accurare way of judging.

Now comparing complete tenures makes Monk the worst Swansea manager in Premiership history, you want to compare just a part of Laudrups tenure, even though you state that comparing part of a tenure "makes no difference " when someonelse wanted to.

Its no wonder you claim you cannot remember being wrong on anything Swansea on this forum as you refuse to accept, even with proof, that you have contradicted yourself. Your ego wont allow it.

You are taking part of laudrup's tenure and not his complete tenure, which is the most accurate way of doing it, in your own words.

Its very easy to take a piece from one conversation and apply it to a completely other and then argue against it. But the context is completely different.

That was in response to someone wanting to just compare 4 games in both tenures, when quoting, you must check the context.

In terms of this debate, i think its acceptable to use full tenures as a full body of work, or the full tenures that hold most significance, that would be same squad and season.

But as I said, either one sees monk average the amount required to see us safe with ease.

The context is not different at all, its the same argument, just on a different thread.

it is completely different. My answer regarding "part" was in response to Carpe wanting to compare 4 games last season to 4 games this season. This one is you saying that if i hold that opinion i cant compare all of Laudrups games this season to all of monks,.. When in fact of course i can as it is related.

That person wanted to compare Monks whole tenure of 4 games against Laudrups first 4 games and you wouldnt let him stating comparing complete tenure's is the most accurare way of judging.

absolutely so if that was my response to 4 games last year to 4 games this year, how is it Roathie same argument here? It isnt.

Parts should never be compared. But im taking this season as a whole and comparing it. Thats fine as it is a whole and mot selective bits.

Now comparing complete tenures makes Monk the worst Swansea manager in Premiership history, you want to compare just a part of Laudrups tenure, even though you state that comparing part of a tenure "makes no difference " when someonelse wanted to.

read above.

Its no wonder you claim you cannot remember being wrong on anything Swansea on this forum as you refuse to accept, even with proof, that you have contradicted yourself. Your ego wont allow it.

what am i wrong about?

When i stated it, did Monk have the best points to games ratio? Yes

Does he now have the same points to game ratio as Laudrup got out of this squad this season? Yes.

Simple.

You are taking part of laudrup's tenure and not his complete tenure, which is the most accurate way of doing it, in your own words.

Its very easy to take a piece from one conversation and apply it to a completely other and then argue against it. But the context is completely different.

That was in response to someone wanting to just compare 4 games in both tenures, when quoting, you must check the context.

In terms of this debate, i think its acceptable to use full tenures as a full body of work, or the full tenures that hold most significance, that would be same squad and season.

But as I said, either one sees monk average the amount required to see us safe with ease.

The context is not different at all, its the same argument, just on a different thread.

it is completely different. My answer regarding "part" was in response to Carpe wanting to compare 4 games last season to 4 games this season. This one is you saying that if i hold that opinion i cant compare all of Laudrups games this season to all of monks,.. When in fact of course i can as it is related.

That person wanted to compare Monks whole tenure of 4 games against Laudrups first 4 games and you wouldnt let him stating comparing complete tenure's is the most accurare way of judging.

absolutely so if that was my response to 4 games last year to 4 games this year, how is it Roathie same argument here? It isnt.

Parts should never be compared. But im taking this season as a whole and comparing it. Thats fine as it is a whole and mot selective bits.

Now comparing complete tenures makes Monk the worst Swansea manager in Premiership history, you want to compare just a part of Laudrups tenure, even though you state that comparing part of a tenure "makes no difference " when someonelse wanted to.

read above.

Its no wonder you claim you cannot remember being wrong on anything Swansea on this forum as you refuse to accept, even with proof, that you have contradicted yourself. Your ego wont allow it.

what am i wrong about?

When i stated it, did Monk have the best points to games ratio? Yes

Does he now have the same points to game ratio as Laudrup got out of this squad this season? Yes.

Simple.

What a load of waffle

Youve totally contradicted yourself and can squirm as many paragraphs as you like.

Complete tenures were the most accurate way to judge, your words, no-one elses, yet now you want to be selective when judging.

Complete tenures - Monk worst manager in Swanseas Premiership history. FACT.

As for your "related" comment Monks got 5 points this season in his 5 games, Laudrups gained 8 against the same 5 teams.

Therefore Monk 37.5% worse off, or Laudrup 60% better whichever way you want to look at it it shows Monk in a negative light.

What a load of waffle. Youve totally contradicted yourself and can squirm as many paragraphs as you like.

is that polo speak for realising that what you are trying to put to me here makes no sense and you are using a reply i made in one debate and trying to make it fit into a completely different one

Complete tenures were the most accurate way to judge, your words, no-one elses, yet now you want to be selective when judging.

where have I said you cant judge complete tenures then? Ive said you may do that if you wish. You may also compare complete tenures when the data in related. I.e same season.

Complete tenures - Monk worst manager in Swanseas Premiership history. FACT.

but also the same point per game ratio as our most successful ever manager could get with this squad, so good signs indeed .

As for your "related" comment Monks got 5 points this season in his 5 games, Laudrups gained 8 against the same 5 teams.

which means the results are completely different due to the differing styles and accompanying matchups. Hence the reason Laudrup lost 1-0 to you yet Monk stuffed you 3-0.

So knowing that it is more accurate to compare points per game, in which monk has the same this season as laudrup achieved.

Therefore Monk 37.5% worse off, or Laudrup 60% better whichever way you want to look at it it shows Monk in a negative light.

their records this season are exactly the same and Monk os on course to keep us up comfortably as a result

Comparing the 5 teams both Laudrup and Monk have played this season is the most related comparison you can make and Monk is 37.5% worse.

As for the ratios Laudrups ratio includes playing the likes of Man City twice, whereas Monk has only played 1 team in the top half of the table

Not that the ratios this season are anything to write home about, the ratio was poor enough to get rid of ML, and GM is doing no better, even with a far easier set of games. The fact ML is your most succesful manager is based on LAST season.

But hey, none of this really matters, comparing complete tenures is the most accurate way of judging, your words, and Monk loses hands down on that one

Comparing the 5 teams both Laudrup and Monk have played this season is the most related comparison you can make and Monk is 37.5% worse.

no its not. You are taking a part of this season. If you are to compare this season then it must be done as a whole as ive told you many times and as you have quoted many times. Itll sink in soon

As for the ratios Laudrups ratio includes playing the likes of Man City twice, whereas Monk has only played 1 team in the top half of the table

then you would imagine it would even out. Laudrup lost to you 1-0 yet Monk crushed you 3-0. That would suggest there isnt much credence to that as Monks style will be advantageous in games where Laudrups style was not and vica verca.

So far the record is identical. A point a game, considering monk has the added weight of it being a transitional period - thats excellent.

Not that the ratios this season are anything to write home about, the ratio was poor enough to get rid of ML, and GM is doing no better, even with a far easier set of games. The fact ML is your most succesful manager is based on LAST season.

nope, Laudruo also got us out of the group stages of Europe, his success is based on this and last season. His sacking wasn't results based. We were plodding along just fine yo-yo ing between top 10 and 14th. He eroded the ethos of swansea according to officials, so was sacked.

But hey, none of this really matters, comparing complete tenures is the most accurate way of judging, your words, and Monk loses hands down on that one

but still has the same ratio as Laudrup this season, who is our most successful ever manager - and monk is on course to guide us to safety with ease

Jesus could have done with you at the crucifixtion the way you move those goalposts with such ease, a wooden cross would have been nothing to you Roathie.

The most accurate way to judge is complete tenures yet now you want to judge based on this season only.

Jesus could have done with you at the crucifixtion the way you move those goalposts with such ease, a wooden cross would have been nothing to you Roathie.

The most accurate way to judge is complete tenures yet now you want to judge based on this season only.

Where have I said I want to judge based on this season only?

Jesus could have done with you at the crucifixtion the way you move those goalposts with such ease, a wooden cross would have been nothing to you Roathie.

The most accurate way to judge is complete tenures yet now you want to judge based on this season only.

Where have I said I want to judge based on this season only?

Throughout this thread

Jesus could have done with you at the crucifixtion the way you move those goalposts with such ease, a wooden cross would have been nothing to you Roathie.

The most accurate way to judge is complete tenures yet now you want to judge based on this season only.

Where have I said I want to judge based on this season only?

Throughout this thread

I assume the fact you have resorted to lying as realisation you were arguing for no reason then?

Jesus could have done with you at the crucifixtion the way you move those goalposts with such ease, a wooden cross would have been nothing to you Roathie.

The most accurate way to judge is complete tenures yet now you want to judge based on this season only.

Where have I said I want to judge based on this season only?

Throughout this thread

I assume the fact you have resorted to lying as realisation you were arguing for no reason then?

Oh so youve not been comparing Monks tenure to Laudrups tenure this season only throughout this thread then?

Ill have a word with Annis we must be getting different replys on the screen.

Ive also been saying you are a liar, does that mean as a result I must think you are the only liar in the world?

I didnt mention another person on this thread so it must be true.

Ive also been saying you are a liar, does that mean as a result I must think you are the only liar in the world?

I didnt mention another person on this thread so it must be true.

When losing the debate make up totally bizarre comparisons to try and throw the other person off.

Cluthcing at straws Roathie this isnt Pembroke Allan you are dealing with here.

Your double standards and contradictions are there for all to see on this topic.

Ive also been saying you are a liar, does that mean as a result I must think you are the only liar in the world?

I didnt mention another person on this thread so it must be true.

When losing the debate make up totally bizarre comparisons to try and throw the other person off.

Cluthcing at straws Roathie this isnt Pembroke Allan you are dealing with here.

Your double standards and contradictions are there for all to see on this topic.

Nothing bizarre about it at all. You are assuming that because the only comparisons I have made on this thread relate to this season means that it is my opinion that we can no longer compare the whole tenure? Its bizarre.

Its like saying I like lions and then you saying "well you have proved that you don't like bears or crocodiles because you have only mentioned lions on this thread".

I have not once contradicted myself. You have done what you always do and take a conversation with a completely different context and apply it to a completely unrelated one and run with it.

Tell me where I have once said we cannot compare full tenures? You have been fighting a non existent argument and at times has been exactly like talking to pembroke allen as it goes.

Roath, isn't it time you went to bed?
At 10 o'clock last night (about 8am your end I guess)I popped on hereand you were on line.It's now what, 2.30am and your still on line!! and the only real break has been when the UK was sleeping!!
Now go to bed and when you get up in the morning..........GET A LIFE!

Your an embarrassment.

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

Roath, isn't it time you went to bed?
At 10 o'clock last night (about 8am your end I guess)I popped on hereand you were on line.It's now what, 2.30am and your still on line!! and the only real break has been when the UK was sleeping!!
Now go to bed and when you get up in the morning..........GET A LIFE!

Your an embarrassment.

No I have much work to sift through tonight, you have me for a good few hours yet.

Are you one of those people that still think this forum is a physical place? It can be accessed from anywhere. I was on the beach for most of today still managing to get work done and post on here. Technology eh?

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

yes we have been through this already havent we?

You have taken what i said from another debate. That was a reply referring to Carpe wanting to take 4 games of last season and compare with 4 this season. Completely different to what we are discussing here.

It is perfectly acceptable to take this season as a WHOLE to compare. Or indeed take their WHOLE tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

there is nothing to squirm out of. Its as plain as day and if i was a police officer you would be done for wasting valuable police time.

You are arguing a non existent argument..... Again.

Everyone has to have a hobby.

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

yes we have been through this already havent we?

You have taken what i said from another debate. That was a reply referring to Carpe wanting to take 4 games of last season and compare with 4 this season. Completely different to what we are discussing here.

It is perfectly acceptable to take this season as a WHOLE to compare. Or indeed take their WHOLE tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

there is nothing to squirm out of. Its as plain as day and if i was a police officer you would be done for wasting valuable police time.

You are arguing a non existent argument..... Again.

Everyone has to have a hobby.

You didnt mention the word WHOLE in that initial reply to Carpe though did you, its something you have come up with today to try and squirm out of it.

This WHOLE season is still only PART of Laudrups tenure, something you were objecting to doing when debating with Carpe, now you want to do it on this thread

Go on Planet Swans and start on Darren, you might win a debate today.

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

yes we have been through this already havent we?

You have taken what i said from another debate. That was a reply referring to Carpe wanting to take 4 games of last season and compare with 4 this season. Completely different to what we are discussing here.

It is perfectly acceptable to take this season as a WHOLE to compare. Or indeed take their WHOLE tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

there is nothing to squirm out of. Its as plain as day and if i was a police officer you would be done for wasting valuable police time.

You are arguing a non existent argument..... Again.

Everyone has to have a hobby.

You didnt mention the word WHOLE in that initial reply to Carpe though did you, its something you have come up with today to try and squirm out of it.

i cant remember what I said word for word. I said you cant use a "part" when referring to 4 games from last ear to 4 games this year. That suggests that i recommend using a WHOLE. If your whole argument rests on one word you are indeed possibly too deep to dig your way out

This WHOLE season is still only PART of Laudrups tenure, something you were objecting to doing when debating with Carpe, now you want to do it on this thread

But this WHOLE season is more relevant than JUST LAST season hence my reply to carpe. You are again taking a reply out of context and applying it here - it doesnt work like that, not sure hiw many more times you can be told

Go on Planet Swans and start on Darren, you might win a debate today.

i win every debate i enter, otherwise i wouldnt enter them

Roath, isn't it time you went to bed?
At 10 o'clock last night (about 8am your end I guess)I popped on hereand you were on line.It's now what, 2.30am and your still on line!! and the only real break has been when the UK was sleeping!!
Now go to bed and when you get up in the morning..........GET A LIFE!

Your an embarrassment.

No I have much work to sift through tonight, you have me for a good few hours yet.

Are you one of those people that still think this forum is a physical place? It can be accessed from anywhere. I was on the beach for most of today still managing to get work done and post on here. Technology eh?

Absolute rubbish, you spend far too much time writing on here and are too quick with your responses to be actively doing anything else.I'm guessing you've been on here about 16 hours today , with dozens of posts, very often you respond within the same minute.That can only mean your glued to your screen and are concentrating solely on the CARDIFF CITY forum............I can't imagine how tedious you must be in the real world.

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

yes we have been through this already havent we?

You have taken what i said from another debate. That was a reply referring to Carpe wanting to take 4 games of last season and compare with 4 this season. Completely different to what we are discussing here.

It is perfectly acceptable to take this season as a WHOLE to compare. Or indeed take their WHOLE tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

there is nothing to squirm out of. Its as plain as day and if i was a police officer you would be done for wasting valuable police time.

You are arguing a non existent argument..... Again.

Everyone has to have a hobby.

You didnt mention the word WHOLE in that initial reply to Carpe though did you, its something you have come up with today to try and squirm out of it.

i cant remember what I said word for word. I said you cant use a "part" when referring to 4 games from last ear to 4 games this year. That suggests that i recommend using a WHOLE. If your whole argument rests on one word you are indeed possibly too deep to dig your way out

This WHOLE season is still only PART of Laudrups tenure, something you were objecting to doing when debating with Carpe, now you want to do it on this thread

But this WHOLE season is more relevant than JUST LAST season hence my reply to carpe. You are again taking a reply out of context and applying it here - it doesnt work like that, not sure hiw many more times you can be told

Go on Planet Swans and start on Darren, you might win a debate today.

i win every debate i enter, otherwise i wouldnt enter them

Oh you cannot remember now :lolL

You didnt even mention 4 games in your reply you just wanted to compare complete tenures.

Carpe wasnt asking to compare JUST last season either, he asked to compare their first 4 games in the PL, which you didnt want to entertain as PART tenures could be manipulated.

No reply has been taken out of context, you wanted to compare COMPLETE tenures as they were the most accurate comparison. When anyonelse pointed out other comparison it "makes no difference" was your reply, you wouldnt entertain it.

Now youve been making to make part comparisons yourself.


Keep squirming Roathie.

Roath, isn't it time you went to bed?
At 10 o'clock last night (about 8am your end I guess)I popped on hereand you were on line.It's now what, 2.30am and your still on line!! and the only real break has been when the UK was sleeping!!
Now go to bed and when you get up in the morning..........GET A LIFE!

Your an embarrassment.

No I have much work to sift through tonight, you have me for a good few hours yet.

Are you one of those people that still think this forum is a physical place? It can be accessed from anywhere. I was on the beach for most of today still managing to get work done and post on here. Technology eh?

Absolute rubbish, you spend far too much time writing on here and are too quick with your responses to be actively doing anything else.I'm guessing you've been on here about 16 hours today , with dozens of posts, very often you respond within the same minute.That can only mean your glued to your screen and are concentrating solely on the CARDIFF CITY forum............I can't imagine how tedious you must be in the real world.

Not rubbish at all young man, in fact i posted a lovely photograph earlier of another doubter. I even wrote him a personal message as I strolled with my beautiful other half by the river at 8 am. I may be tedius but im stinking rich living in paradise with a fiance most could only dream of. Live is hard

Just luck of the draw when i am looking at the forum and it is just your look i was looking right now

You said comparing part of tenures can be manipulated and complete tenures was the most accurate way to judge yet throughout the thread you have been trying to save face by comparing only part of Laudrups tenure.

yes we have been through this already havent we?

You have taken what i said from another debate. That was a reply referring to Carpe wanting to take 4 games of last season and compare with 4 this season. Completely different to what we are discussing here.

It is perfectly acceptable to take this season as a WHOLE to compare. Or indeed take their WHOLE tenure.

Go to bed Roathie you cannot squirm out of this one, your contradiction is there for all to see on both threads.

there is nothing to squirm out of. Its as plain as day and if i was a police officer you would be done for wasting valuable police time.

You are arguing a non existent argument..... Again.

Everyone has to have a hobby.

You didnt mention the word WHOLE in that initial reply to Carpe though did you, its something you have come up with today to try and squirm out of it.

i cant remember what I said word for word. I said you cant use a "part" when referring to 4 games from last ear to 4 games this year. That suggests that i recommend using a WHOLE. If your whole argument rests on one word you are indeed possibly too deep to dig your way out

This WHOLE season is still only PART of Laudrups tenure, something you were objecting to doing when debating with Carpe, now you want to do it on this thread

But this WHOLE season is more relevant than JUST LAST season hence my reply to carpe. You are again taking a reply out of context and applying it here - it doesnt work like that, not sure hiw many more times you can be told

Go on Planet Swans and start on Darren, you might win a debate today.

i win every debate i enter, otherwise i wouldnt enter them

Oh you cannot remember now :lolL

no, dont remember every post word for word. Its irrelevant though as it was regarding something completely different. My missus can ask me if I want steak for tea and i say.... yes please. I then enjoy the steak tea she presents....

When I complain about being handed a Jam sarnie the next tea time she cant then say the next day "you said yes yesterday"

You didnt even mention 4 games in your reply you just wanted to compare complete tenures.

i didnt need to, its a conversation. Carpe mentioned 4 games, my reply doesnt have to be in full sentences does it?

Carpe wasnt asking to compare JUST last season either, he asked to compare their first 4 games in the PL, which you didnt want to entertain as PART tenures could be manipulated.

the first 4 games of laudrups career were last season you pleb

No reply has been taken out of context, you wanted to compare COMPLETE tenures as they were the most accurate comparison. When anyonelse pointed out other comparison it "makes no difference" was your reply, you wouldnt entertain it.

again, where have I said im not happy to compare complete tenures? Im also happy to compare complete seasons too.

Now youve been making to make part comparisons yourself.

making to make what? If you are going to post rubbish then at least make it legible.

Keep squirming Roathie.

yeah squirming because you are telling me that im saying we cannot compare whole tenures when i am continually telling you ive said nothing of the sort.

This is genuinely like having a conversation with someone rocking back and fore in a straight jacket.

Roath, isn't it time you went to bed?
At 10 o'clock last night (about 8am your end I guess)I popped on hereand you were on line.It's now what, 2.30am and your still on line!! and the only real break has been when the UK was sleeping!!
Now go to bed and when you get up in the morning..........GET A LIFE!

Your an embarrassment.

No I have much work to sift through tonight, you have me for a good few hours yet.

Are you one of those people that still think this forum is a physical place? It can be accessed from anywhere. I was on the beach for most of today still managing to get work done and post on here. Technology eh?

Absolute rubbish, you spend far too much time writing on here and are too quick with your responses to be actively doing anything else.I'm guessing you've been on here about 16 hours today , with dozens of posts, very often you respond within the same minute.That can only mean your glued to your screen and are concentrating solely on the CARDIFF CITY forum............I can't imagine how tedious you must be in the real world.

Not rubbish at all young man, in fact i posted a lovely photograph earlier of another doubter. I even wrote him a personal message as I strolled with my beautiful other half by the river at 8 am. I may be tedius but im stinking rich living in paradise with a fiance most could only dream of. Live is hard

Just luck of the draw when i am looking at the forum and it is just your look i was looking right now

Bollocks your just a strange saddo c**t

and if you believe that youll believe anything.

Its not regarding something completely different at all, its regarding the exact same thing, the ratio of points of Swansea managers in the Premier League.

Its exactly the same point, the only difference is you didnt want to compare part tenures when it suited your claim Monk was the best manager in Swansea prem history, now you want to compare them because your point about Monk having the best ratio is no longer valid

As you were Pinnochio, works out, im clocking off.

Its not regarding something completely different at all, its regarding the exact same thing, the ratio of points of Swansea managers in the Premier League.

would it be better for you to read the thread again rather than asking and stating the same stuff over and iver again? It would probably save time.

*sighs* yes it is completely different. My conversation with carpe was regarding him comparing 4 games last year to 4 games this year which as i rightly said, was stupid. Different squads, different seasons. Now then, when comparing a manager you can either compare their whole body of work as a marker of what they achieved or indeed if there was a managerial change halfway through a season, the relevance is obvious (same squad, same season) to then compare how they both did that season. It really isnt difficult.

Its exactly the same point, the only difference is you didnt want to compare part tenures when it suited your claim Monk was the best manager in Swansea prem history, now you want to compare them because your point about Monk having the best ratio is no longer valid

read above.

As you were Pinnochio, works out, im clocking off.

apology accepted.