Best if we go down IMO

:geek:

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Nukes you are dead right. For a start the championship does not attract the exposure that Tan needs for his rebrand to even have a sniff of getting attention. Also when Tan brings in his high powered friends somehow watching us play Huddersfield hardly has the prestige attached to it that would entice someone like the Malaysian prime minister to fly halfway around the world to watch us. I am convinced that unless we bounce straight back then he will get bored with us which is not a bad thing. Before all the idiots start telling us we will end up red or dead again I will say that Tan can no longer walk away without selling us because in no way would be prepared to lose that amount edof money plus losing face and denting his fragile ego.

just curious if we are not in premier tan wont get buyer or at least harder to get one! and he wont walk away (your words) how does he leave and not lose money if we are in champ?? and if he gets bored with being in champ what does he do?? not enough assets to pay him off, really am curious and no its not red or dead now!!!

You are forgetting that we found our buyers when we were in the championship so its not impossible to find another is it? Tan would have to sell us if he wanted out so we would be guaranteed a new owner.If Tan loses money then that's not our concern and would be justice in my opinion for him acting like a prat.

Who is going to buy a championship club thats £100m in debt and only solvent due to a previous owner pumping money in?

But it won't be debt though so your beloved Tan might have to make a bit of a loss when he sells up.

Why would Tan sell and make a loss?

Do you know what insolvent means?

Engage brain before attempting to answer please.

Doomsdayer Craig. This is all hypothetical.We are not guaranteed to be insolvent so stop talking tosh.If Tan wanted out then he would have to sell up for whatever he could get or keep us.Your doomsday mentality was evident earlier as well when you were putting up more hypothetical scenarios that could happen during the protest. In fact you seem so good as a Doomsdayer that your parents must have kept reading you chicken licken as a bedtime story. Look him up as he kept telling everyone the sky was falling.

:geek:

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Nukes you are dead right. For a start the championship does not attract the exposure that Tan needs for his rebrand to even have a sniff of getting attention. Also when Tan brings in his high powered friends somehow watching us play Huddersfield hardly has the prestige attached to it that would entice someone like the Malaysian prime minister to fly halfway around the world to watch us. I am convinced that unless we bounce straight back then he will get bored with us which is not a bad thing. Before all the idiots start telling us we will end up red or dead again I will say that Tan can no longer walk away without selling us because in no way would be prepared to lose that amount edof money plus losing face and denting his fragile ego.

just curious if we are not in premier tan wont get buyer or at least harder to get one! and he wont walk away (your words) how does he leave and not lose money if we are in champ?? and if he gets bored with being in champ what does he do?? not enough assets to pay him off, really am curious and no its not red or dead now!!!

You are forgetting that we found our buyers when we were in the championship so its not impossible to find another is it? Tan would have to sell us if he wanted out so we would be guaranteed a new owner.If Tan loses money then that's not our concern and would be justice in my opinion for him acting like a prat.

Who is going to buy a championship club thats £100m in debt and only solvent due to a previous owner pumping money in?

But it won't be debt though so your beloved Tan might have to make a bit of a loss when he sells up.

Why would Tan sell and make a loss?

Do you know what insolvent means?

Engage brain before attempting to answer please.

Doomsdayer Craig. This is all hypothetical.We are not guaranteed to be insolvent so stop talking tosh.If Tan wanted out then he would have to sell up for whatever he could get or keep us.Your doomsday mentality was evident earlier as well when you were putting up more hypothetical scenarios that could happen during the protest. In fact you seem so good as a Doomsdayer that your parents must have kept reading you chicken licken as a bedtime story. Look him up as he kept telling everyone the sky was falling.

How is it hypothetical A high court judge said we were insolvent and we were kept alive by TG and Tans initial £6m investment. Our wages have gone up ten fold and our incomings (if we went down) would be no where near enough to cover it, therefore, we would still be trading as an insolvent business it Tan was to stop pumping money in. We could not cover the outgoings. This is fact not hypothetical.

:geek:

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Nukes you are dead right. For a start the championship does not attract the exposure that Tan needs for his rebrand to even have a sniff of getting attention. Also when Tan brings in his high powered friends somehow watching us play Huddersfield hardly has the prestige attached to it that would entice someone like the Malaysian prime minister to fly halfway around the world to watch us. I am convinced that unless we bounce straight back then he will get bored with us which is not a bad thing. Before all the idiots start telling us we will end up red or dead again I will say that Tan can no longer walk away without selling us because in no way would be prepared to lose that amount edof money plus losing face and denting his fragile ego.

just curious if we are not in premier tan wont get buyer or at least harder to get one! and he wont walk away (your words) how does he leave and not lose money if we are in champ?? and if he gets bored with being in champ what does he do?? not enough assets to pay him off, really am curious and no its not red or dead now!!!

You are forgetting that we found our buyers when we were in the championship so its not impossible to find another is it? Tan would have to sell us if he wanted out so we would be guaranteed a new owner.If Tan loses money then that's not our concern and would be justice in my opinion for him acting like a prat.

Who is going to buy a championship club thats £100m in debt and only solvent due to a previous owner pumping money in?

But it won't be debt though so your beloved Tan might have to make a bit of a loss when he sells up.

Why would Tan sell and make a loss?

Do you know what insolvent means?


Engage brain before attempting to answer please.

Doomsdayer Craig. This is all hypothetical.We are not guaranteed to be insolvent so stop talking tosh.If Tan wanted out then he would have to sell up for whatever he could get or keep us.Your doomsday mentality was evident earlier as well when you were putting up more hypothetical scenarios that could happen during the protest. In fact you seem so good as a Doomsdayer that your parents must have kept reading you chicken licken as a bedtime story. Look him up as he kept telling everyone the sky was falling.

How is it hypothetical A high court judge said we were insolvent and we were kept alive by TG and Tans initial £6m investment. Our wages have gone up ten fold and our incomings (if we went down) would be no where near enough to cover it, therefore, we would still be trading as an insolvent business it Tan was to stop pumping money in. We could not cover the outgoings. This is fact not hypothetical.

More doomsday scenarios I now rename you chicken licken in the meantime look up the word fact and it will describe something that has happened and has been established. We were not officially insolvent and could have been saved at the eleventh hour as sometimes happens.

:geek:

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Nukes you are dead right. For a start the championship does not attract the exposure that Tan needs for his rebrand to even have a sniff of getting attention. Also when Tan brings in his high powered friends somehow watching us play Huddersfield hardly has the prestige attached to it that would entice someone like the Malaysian prime minister to fly halfway around the world to watch us. I am convinced that unless we bounce straight back then he will get bored with us which is not a bad thing. Before all the idiots start telling us we will end up red or dead again I will say that Tan can no longer walk away without selling us because in no way would be prepared to lose that amount edof money plus losing face and denting his fragile ego.

just curious if we are not in premier tan wont get buyer or at least harder to get one! and he wont walk away (your words) how does he leave and not lose money if we are in champ?? and if he gets bored with being in champ what does he do?? not enough assets to pay him off, really am curious and no its not red or dead now!!!

You are forgetting that we found our buyers when we were in the championship so its not impossible to find another is it? Tan would have to sell us if he wanted out so we would be guaranteed a new owner.If Tan loses money then that's not our concern and would be justice in my opinion for him acting like a prat.

Who is going to buy a championship club thats £100m in debt and only solvent due to a previous owner pumping money in?

But it won't be debt though so your beloved Tan might have to make a bit of a loss when he sells up.

Why would Tan sell and make a loss?

Do you know what insolvent means?


Engage brain before attempting to answer please.

Doomsdayer Craig. This is all hypothetical.We are not guaranteed to be insolvent so stop talking tosh.If Tan wanted out then he would have to sell up for whatever he could get or keep us.Your doomsday mentality was evident earlier as well when you were putting up more hypothetical scenarios that could happen during the protest. In fact you seem so good as a Doomsdayer that your parents must have kept reading you chicken licken as a bedtime story. Look him up as he kept telling everyone the sky was falling.

How is it hypothetical A high court judge said we were insolvent and we were kept alive by TG and Tans initial £6m investment. Our wages have gone up ten fold and our incomings (if we went down) would be no where near enough to cover it, therefore, we would still be trading as an insolvent business it Tan was to stop pumping money in. We could not cover the outgoings. This is fact not hypothetical.

More doomsday scenarios I now rename you chicken licken in the meantime look up the word fact and it will describe something that has happened and been established. We were not officially insolvent and could have been saved at the eleventh hour as sometimes happens.

We were trading insolvent, we were given a last minute 56 day stay of execution as £6m was promised otherwise it was bye bye. The judge even marked the date as FINAL!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... nt-1928973
http://insolvencyandlaw.co.uk/premier-l ... petitions/

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution so the situation may have been avoided by means of a last minute buyer.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

No you are still not being factual by telling me there was nobody else. This would have only been a fact if the deadline had been reached.Ignoring the possibility of a last minute buyer and stating there was nobody else is speculation on your part.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

No you are still not being factual by telling me there was nobody else. This would have only been a fact if the deadline had been reached.Ignoring the possibility of a last minute buyer and stating there was nobody else is speculation on your part.

The facts as they stand were there was nobody else. This is history and cannot be changed. Anything after that is pure speculation on your part. Listen, maybe you are a new fan and didn't realise the mess we were in, maybe you just didnt understand, but as much as you hate Tan, at that moment in time he saved this club from the high court. That is a fact.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

name them them Ian. There was nobody else, the only other person was that car dealer from Jersey who had no money

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

No you are still not being factual by telling me there was nobody else. This would have only been a fact if the deadline had been reached.Ignoring the possibility of a last minute buyer and stating there was nobody else is speculation on your part.

The facts as they stand were there was nobody else. This is history and cannot be changed. Anything after that is pure speculation on your part. Listen, maybe you are a new fan and didn't realise the mess we were in, maybe you just didnt understand, but as much as you hate Tan, at that moment in time he saved this club from the high court. That is a fact.

Rubbish. We still could have been saved at the eleventh hour of the 56 day stay of execution and that is undeniable. I am not sure if we would have found another buyer but nobody can say we wouldn't have with complete certainty as you seem to.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

No you are still not being factual by telling me there was nobody else. This would have only been a fact if the deadline had been reached.Ignoring the possibility of a last minute buyer and stating there was nobody else is speculation on your part.

The facts as they stand were there was nobody else. This is history and cannot be changed. Anything after that is pure speculation on your part. Listen, maybe you are a new fan and didn't realise the mess we were in, maybe you just didnt understand, but as much as you hate Tan, at that moment in time he saved this club from the high court. That is a fact.

Rubbish. We still could have been saved at the eleventh hour of the 56 day stay of execution and that is undeniable. I am not sure if we would have found another buyer but nobody can say we wouldn't have with complete certainty as you seem to.

We are dealing in facts only. If there was somebody else in the pipeline then find out and show me the facts. You saying "we could have been saved" is fairytale thinking. You wanted to deal in facts, so deal in them!

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

Why didn't they step forward then, if you are that sure there were others it wont hurt to name then

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

Then I'm afraid you are not worth speaking to as when presented with facts, you bury your head in the sand as it doesnt suit your agenda. Next time you wish to debate properly with me, please grow up first.

Bloody hell you two let someone else comment

That old chestnut again there were others , but they never get named and then a wall of silence if you named them we might believe you

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Sadly you are spot on. Lets face it, the longer we stay in the Premiership, the longer Tan will stay around, the longer we will stay rebranded and the less likely we will get our identity back. It wouldn't worry me at all if we get relegated, or even if we have to plummet down the leagues to get rid of Tan, so be it. I want my club back!

Nukes

Heres my take
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I would gladly accept a local derby against Newport County in 2017/18 in Div.2 as a fan owned debt free Blue club. Having slipped down the leagues after a fire sale and administration. Where we can have a fresh go at it the right way.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

Then I'm afraid you are not worth speaking to as when presented with facts, you bury your head in the sand as it doesnt suit your agenda. Next time you wish to debate properly with me, please grow up first.

As you mainly deal in non facts and semantics you might be interested that there is a group called the semantics appearing at the stadium on the 19th of April. I have no boubt you will have a front row seat.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

Then I'm afraid you are not worth speaking to as when presented with facts, you bury your head in the sand as it doesnt suit your agenda. Next time you wish to debate properly with me, please grow up first.

As you mainly deal in non facts and semantics you might be interested that there is a group called the semantics appearing at the stadium on the 19th of April. I have no boubt you will have a front row seat.

We all want to stay in the pl, but i know a lot less than 99.9% dont think its the be all and end all. Only the plastics do.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

Then I'm afraid you are not worth speaking to as when presented with facts, you bury your head in the sand as it doesnt suit your agenda. Next time you wish to debate properly with me, please grow up first.

As you mainly deal in non facts and semantics you might be interested that there is a group called the semantics appearing at the stadium on the 19th of April. I have no boubt you will have a front row seat.

Craig just to confirm that it is a true fact that the semantics are at the stadium on April 19th.

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

No way would I rip into you for that it's from the heart we all have our limits. respect .

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

So it's not a fact at all then. Are you listening though Craig.

A club director stated there was no-one else. A person on a forum said there was.

Which one is to be considered fact

Not your version

Then I'm afraid you are not worth speaking to as when presented with facts, you bury your head in the sand as it doesnt suit your agenda. Next time you wish to debate properly with me, please grow up first.

As you mainly deal in non facts and semantics you might be interested that there is a group called the semantics appearing at the stadium on the 19th of April. I have no boubt you will have a front row seat.

Craig just to confirm that it is a true fact that the semantics are at the stadium on April 19th.

No need to continue. You lost the debate and are attempting to put me down to mask the fact. You carry on, one day you will grow up

Not putting you down just pointing out that I did not make it up and that it is a 100% fact unlike the ones that you always seem to put out.

Why is relegation more likely to mean the colour changes back. We were red before we went up ?

IMHO it won't help - in fact,if you think the best chance to change is for Tan to leave then we are better off staying up as there will be far more buyers for a Prem club.

I've heard a few come up with this statement, but no-one can back it up with any logic.

Said this earlier only way we'll ever return to blue is if tan backtracks or we stay up as this is what buyers want they very rarely want a championship club unless it's for peanuts and with tan owed what he is at present there would never be a single interstaed party in championship unless we went into administration

And in both scenarios i don't see why any new owner would turn us back unless he/she wasa actual Cardiff fan, whoever buys us next will take us on as a going concern (unless we are wound up) and that will mean taking on Cardiff city FC as a red club, if the prospective new owner has no affiliation with our identity then why would he/she want to Change it anyway?

Not putting you down just pointing out that I did not make it up and that it is a 100% fact unlike the ones that you always seem to put out.

no matter how much you wish it not true..the truth is it wasnt just the 11th hour, it was the final second of the 11th hour....
Tans offer to come in with the backing to save the club was actually argued against ...
this myth.......mystery investors, nobody ever puts their name to this,or in fact to these investors..
our club,throughout its recent history as suffered more than any due to lack of investment.......a Capital City club that had graced the fields of Europe..had played in a stadium with a 50,000 plus capacity to huge crowds was allowed to drift almost into oblivion...........in my 43 years watching its been heartbreaking, ive stood back and watched a total of 64 teams play top flight football and never us until now............the reason......for whatever reason we wee unfashionable.no one invested........so to believe that on the very last minute of the very last day after all these years there was a serious alternative to Tan is ludicrous.......