There is a relegation gap forming -

Since Garry Monk took over he has achieved more points per game than any previous swansea manager in Premier League history.

That includes the european qualifying, cup winning top 10 side of last year. Our only two real defeats coming against Napoli and Liverpool away, both which we could easily have won and received widespread for both...

So yes, back to our superb best.

So a 3-1 defeat to everton didn't count then ?

not in my mind. We played a second string in the cup in order to save ourselves for Napoli. We threw it away.

What about a lucky 1-1 draw at stoke ?

what about it? Is the same Stoke side that just beat Arsenal 1-0.

And why was it lucky? We should have won that game.

You can keep the ball with your pretty triangles and possession stats all you like but that doesn't stop you getting relegated . Wins do . At the moment he is averaging a point a game . That is relegation form and will leave you under the supposed magic 40 point mark . Dress it up as much as you like you are in a relegation fight as well . Especially if you don't win today .

no he isnt, he is averaging 1.33 points per game which is enough to get to 50points over 38 games, something no Swansea manager has achieved in the Prem.

As much as it pains me to say it i can't see us getting another win. I hope I'm wrong. fulham look doomed and whilst Norwich struggle to score they look as if they could be dragged in. Roathie on times I think a lot of what you say is well thought out and your obviously an intelligent bloke but why you feel the need to patronise and respond in a condescending manner is beyond me your replies are very pedantic and you seem to regurgitate the same old drivel time and time again. What starts as a debate nearly always end up in a childish spat with someone. If you want to believe that everything is rosy down the liberty carry on your normally one for stats with your possession shit so have a good look at the table as they say it doesn't lie.

As much as it pains me to say it i can't see us getting another win. I hope I'm wrong. fulham look doomed and whilst Norwich struggle to score they look as if they could be dragged in. Roathie on times I think a lot of what you say is well thought out and your obviously an intelligent bloke but why you feel the need to patronise and respond in a condescending manner is beyond me your replies are very pedantic and you seem to regurgitate the same old drivel time and time again. What starts as a debate nearly always end up in a childish spat with someone. If you want to believe that everything is rosy down the liberty carry on your normally one for stats with your possession shit so have a good look at the table as they say it doesn't lie.

Agree wth some of that. my posts definately end up in squabbles, however they dont come from me. I am disliked because I speak the truth and the truth hurts sometimes. people love to argue with me as a result. i always maintain my decorum and my posts continue to be fact based.

Which bit is pedantic and where have I ever mentioned posession?

We have been superb since Monk took over and he has amassed the greatest points per game ratio than any previous manager on the prem. that isnt pedantry, condescending or fanciful - its fact.

We have been excellent. Not sure what can be argued otherwise.

Since Garry Monk took over he has achieved more points per game than any previous swansea manager in Premier League history.

That includes the european qualifying, cup winning top 10 side of last year. Our only two real defeats coming against Napoli and Liverpool away, both which we could easily have won and received widespread for both...

So yes, back to our superb best.

So a 3-1 defeat to everton didn't count then ?

not in my mind. We played a second string in the cup in order to save ourselves for Napoli. We threw it away.

What about a lucky 1-1 draw at stoke ?

what about it? Is the same Stoke side that just beat Arsenal 1-0.

And why was it lucky? We should have won that game.

You can keep the ball with your pretty triangles and possession stats all you like but that doesn't stop you getting relegated . Wins do . At the moment he is averaging a point a game . That is relegation form and will leave you under the supposed magic 40 point mark . Dress it up as much as you like you are in a relegation fight as well . Especially if you don't win today .

no he isnt, he is averaging 1.33 points per game which is enough to get to 50points over 38 games, something no Swansea manager has achieved in the Prem.

Playing- the game again are you not.

Your 1.33 average is all down to playing a very weak team.....us. If this average was achieved against the likes of the Liverpools and Arsenal then you have a point. However it was not and your run in is not that easy as some of the easier teams you are up against are hitting form. Don't get too cocky your not out of it yet.

Playing- the game again are you not.

Your 1.33 average is all down to playing a very weak team.....us. If this average was achieved against the likes of the Liverpools and Arsenal then you have a point. However it was not and your run in is not that easy as some of the easier teams you are up against are hitting form. Don't get too cocky your not out of it yet.

The average is based over playing a top side (4-3 Liverpool away), a mid table side (Stoke 1-1 away) and a bottom side (Cardiff 3-0 home). The diversity couldnt be more even.

If the 1.33 average was earned against Arsenal, Liverpool and United then it wouldnt be a true representation of the matches we face this year.

Dont mean to be rude but im not sure if you have thought that point you made through.

As for being out of it, we have never been in it as far as im concerned, always maintained that. We have far too much quality and the managerial change has confirmed that if there was any doubt.

Since Garry Monk took over he has achieved more points per game than any previous swansea manager in Premier League history.

That includes the european qualifying, cup winning top 10 side of last year. Our only two real defeats coming against Napoli and Liverpool away, both which we could easily have won and received widespread for both...

So yes, back to our superb best.

So a 3-1 defeat to everton didn't count then ?

not in my mind. We played a second string in the cup in order to save ourselves for Napoli. We threw it away.

What about a lucky 1-1 draw at stoke ?

what about it? Is the same Stoke side that just beat Arsenal 1-0.

And why was it lucky? We should have won that game.

You can keep the ball with your pretty triangles and possession stats all you like but that doesn't stop you getting relegated . Wins do . At the moment he is averaging a point a game . That is relegation form and will leave you under the supposed magic 40 point mark . Dress it up as much as you like you are in a relegation fight as well . Especially if you don't win today .

no he isnt, he is averaging 1.33 points per game which is enough to get to 50points over 38 games, something no Swansea manager has achieved in the Prem.

You saved your best team for Napoli agreed , how did that go again ?

Stoke you say you should have won , you didn't !

Liverpool you say you could have won , you didn't !

The hard facts are you haven't won in 5 games in all competitions since you played us .

You have 11 games left
Your last 11 have seen you lose 7 win 2 and draw 2
That's 8 points . I've seen many jacks on here go on about current form is all that matters . Well that's your current form and a similar run to that will see you finish in 35 points

You saved your best team for Napoli agreed , how did that go again ?

we played superbly and were 12 minutes from going through to the last 16 of European competition away to the club that got 12 points in their champions league group... and earned international plaudits for our performance.

Stoke you say you should have won , you didn't !

and?

Liverpool you say you could have won , you didn't !

and?

The hard facts are you haven't won in 5 games in all competitions since you played us .

thats fanciful facts and not realistic fact. The majority of these games have been against the top 4 in Premier League or Serie A.

You have 11 games left. Your last 11 have seen you lose 7 win 2 and draw 2

you are counting Laudrups results and judging Monks teams on it?

New one to me.

That's 8 points . I've seen many jacks on here go on about current form is all that matters . Well that's your current form and a similar run to that will see you finish in 35 points

under Monk we have 4 points from 3 games. Which if continued sees us reach 42/43 points.

What your failing to see is monk has to use the same players laudrup did .
Michael laudrup , remember him the guy who got you to Europe in the first place .
Monk has no experience at management and is A massive gamble by swansea , today is huge for you because you have arsenal away up next , that cute little 1.33 figure might not last Long , enjoy it whilst you can .

I'm not saying your to blame all the time but you have to admit your nearly always the common denominator. As much as you haven't mentioned possession on this thread it is something you have brought up in the past sometimes in text or one of those bbc possession rings. Not going to squabble over it mind. The new manager myth of turning a teams fortunes obviously didn't work for us ( Cardiff ) but at the moment other than a win against your neighbours and some good performances against quality opposition granted. Monks record is not great and if you are feeling comfortable with your 4 point gap at this stage of the season then carry on i would rather have the points at the end of march. As much as I expect you to pull away your not out of the woods but some of your fans attitude suggest you are chasing the European slots

What your failing to see is monk has to use the same players laudrup did .
Michael laudrup , remember him the guy who got you to Europe in the first place .
Monk has no experience at management and is A massive gamble by swansea , today is huge for you because you have arsenal away up next , that cute little 1.33 figure might not last Long , enjoy it whilst you can .

so why does anyone ever change managers then? Thats such an awful point to make.

Monk and Laudrups style is chalk and cheese. The way Hernandez, Dyer and Routledge are used for a start which is also now our 3 most potent threats since he has taken over. No coincidence. Yes Laudrup got us into Europe but his football was awful for the last 12 months so im not sure what your point is.

Martinez didnt really have much experience as manager either, and neither did, Jackett Sousa or Rodgers but all played a major role in kicking the club on. Huw Jenkins sees certain things in people who can take us forward as a club and so far he seems to have got it right again.

A win today and that 1.33 per game becomes 1.75 per game which is in excess of 60 points per season pro rata.

I'm not saying your to blame all the time but you have to admit your nearly always the common denominator.

absolutely am. Madela was also heavily involved when debates of racism and apartheid was brought up - was it his fault? Or was he vilified for standing up and speaking the truth and sense in difficult subjects?

As much as you haven't mentioned possession on this thread it is something you have brought up in the past sometimes in text or one of those bbc possession rings. Not going to squabble over it mind.

I just post match stats. Ive always maintained possession is worthless unless you do something with it.

The new manager myth of turning a teams fortunes obviously didn't work for us ( Cardiff ) but at the moment other than a win against your neighbours and some good performances against quality opposition granted. Monks record is not great.

im amazed you can say that while ignoring the fact he has the best points per game ratio of any Prem Swans manager, results have been above what we have come to expect. And performances have been excellent again.

and if you are feeling comfortable with your 4 point gap at this stage of the season then carry on i would rather have the points at the end of march. As much as I expect you to pull away your not out of the woods but some of your fans attitude suggest you are chasing the European slots

as I said, we have never been in it as far as im concerned. It was always a matter of when we would pull away rather than if. Monks appointment has now been the catalyst for this.

I dont think anybody is saying we are chasing Europe. However if Monk was the manager from the start of the season and performance levels stay the same as what we have seen so far, Europe would have been a distinct possiblilty.

If you fail to win today would you still say your not in the fight. Pointing out his points to game ratio is futile at the moment it's like comparing a new professional boxers unbeaten record compared to Joe calzaghes

If you fail to win today would you still say your not in the fight. Pointing out his points to game ratio is futile at the moment it's like comparing a new professional boxers unbeaten record compared to Joe calzaghes

You can only go on what you can go on. We have performed phenomenally against all 3 teams faced in the Prem and 2 in Europe so far.

4-3 away to Liverpool who are seemingly ruining everyone at the moment, 1-1 away at Stoke who just beat Arsenal 1-0 and beat you 3-0 home. Our other two results were the two Napoli performances which were amazing, many people were expecting 4-0 hammerings when indeed we could have and maybe should have won both games home and away. Thats incredible.

If we lose today im sure many may say we are dragged back into it, but I wont be one of those. As I said it takes the bottom three 5 games on average to get 4 points and even then it wont be enough to topple us due to our GD and we would of course need to pick up zero points from that period in order to be over taken.

If we win today however we will be 8 points clear realistically (with GD) meaning the relegation teams will need all 10 remaining games to topple us and with us not picking up any more points until seasons end.

That's fair enough but you are treating it like it's an exact science which it's not. An example albeit a rare one is West Bromwich a few years ago their points average up until this stage would have been pretty poor yet their average over the last ten games would have pushed them towards mid table I imagine. It's all about finding form at the right time. Cardiff haven't had any and in the annuls of time it's going to show that monks record at the start of his reign is 1 win in so many games not that he was unlucky who Swansea had to play and came up short. For all the good performances he's got 4 points that's all let's not get facts get in the way of a good story 

That's fair enough but you are treating it like it's an exact science which it's not. An example albeit a rare one is West Bromwich a few years ago their points average up until this stage would have been pretty poor yet their average over the last ten games would have pushed them towards mid table I imagine. It's all about finding form at the right time. Cardiff haven't had any and in the annuls of time it's going to show that monks record at the start of his reign is 1 win in so many games not that he was unlucky who Swansea had to play and came up short. For all the good performances he's got 4 points that's all let's not get facts get in the way of a good story 

Absolutely, but again I can only go on what we have to go on and performance levels as well as points tallies tell an important story and ours are increasing. Logic tells us we are only going to pull away now.

Im not sure what all this "1 win" thing is about though. Would you more wins but less points? You don't get placed in the league via a "win count" - it is points pure and simple.

There is no getting around the fact that under Monk we are picking up points at a greater rate than any other Prem Swansea manager, whether its 1 win makes no difference. Its 1 win in 3 games which is over 12 wins per season (36 + points) as well as the 1 draw in 3 games which is over 12 draws per season (which is 12 +points).

Until Monks average dips you cant really criticise him. He is doing everything expected of him and then some.

I am not criticising monk. You lot are happy with him and that's all that matters. What i am trying to point out is that he is being held up by some of you as a shankleyesque type manager after only winning one of his first five or six games. Just think that because you have been spoilt recently with manager choice you think king midas as worked his magic again it's far too early to make that assumption. No point wasting the 1.33 points stuff again it's logged

In my opinion it is all about 4 matches -
beat Fulham and Palace at home and Albion and Sunderland away should be enough.

Palace have a massive task with their remaining fixtures - they will go down

Albion or Norwich will join em.

I am not criticising monk. You lot are happy with him and that's all that matters. What i am trying to point out is that he is being held up by some of you as a shankleyesque type manager after only winning one of his first five or six games. Just think that because you have been spoilt recently with manager choice you think king midas as worked his magic again it's far too early to make that assumption. No point wasting the 1.33 points stuff again it's logged

There is every reason to think Monk is once again another great manager choice from Huw, highest points per game ratio, phenomenal performance levels and great noises coming from thise that watch the training sessions.

There is no reason to think otherwise. The "one win" thing is pointless as ive just said, the league isnt judged on win count, its points, and his points record so far is excellent. The games we lost, we were expected to lose and not just lose but get battered. Our performances could have won us the lot. Incredible.

Performances may well have improved but given a choice between an heroic loss or a lucky win like ours against Norwich i know what I'd pick. of the hundreds of games I've seen i know Cardiff haven't deserved to win all the games they've won and the opposite is true. Hardly any of the games stick out other than autoglass game against your lot but what always shows is the result not the performance.

Performances may well have improved but given a choice between an heroic loss or a lucky win like ours against Norwich i know what I'd pick. of the hundreds of games I've seen i know Cardiff haven't deserved to win all the games they've won and the opposite is true. Hardly any of the games stick out other than autoglass game against your lot but what always shows is the result not the performance.

But remember, your lucky win was against Norwich home. Our heroic defeats came at the hands of Napoli and Liverpool away where both possessed a striker more expensive than our whole starting 11. Huge difference.

We haven't lost any game in which we expected to even get a point from and won every game we expected to win.

You're right here I think, we have to hope all the results go our way. We simply cannot take any fewer than 3 from Fulham, a draw today would be great too. In my opinion I think that Villa and up are safe, not sure about Palace. Gonna be a tight one.

Any of the bottom seven can go down including yourselves............

Fulham down, Norwich tough fixtures, Palace and Sunderland and WBA catchable...........

It's still all to play for we have the best fixture run in, thankfully a better performance today ........

Any of the bottom seven can go down including yourselves............

Fulham down, Norwich tough fixtures, Palace and Sunderland and WBA catchable...........

It's still all to play for we have the best fixture run in, thankfully a better performance today ........

Well most teams CAN go down. But realistically its only between 4 or 5.

Championship .