Malky needed MORE than £40mil

Nobody was complaining about Malky's signings at the start of the season when we beat Man City and Fulham. Unfortunately, Tan started disrupting things early on and it was a miracle Malky was still able to keep us above the relegation zone all season with everything that went on. 7 out of the current top 9 in the league were already played at home, leaving us aside from Liverpool and Chelsea, the bottom half left to play at home for the second half of the season. I believe Malky would have picked up the results required at home in those games to not only avoid relegation, but steer us towards mid table, like Steve Bruce is doing with Hull.

I'm not denying Cornelius was a big flop, but even the best managers make mistakes sometimes, and Malky won us that Cornelius money by getting us to the Premiership in the first place anyway. I notice nobody is commented on Brayford these days, probably because we've all seen what a cracking player he looks on loan to Sheffield United at the moment, getting man of the match performances against Premiership opposition. Brayford is a funny one, Malky never played him and as soon as Ole came in, Brayford still had to leave, so I wonder if that's something to do with Tan perhaps?

But everything has gone pear shaped since Tan let his jealous ego influence his behaviour, disrupting things at any opportunity he could and eventually sacking Malky. Look where that has left us now.

Can you tell me what exactly went on? what was said by Tan? cheers

Where do you want me to start?

Before Tan undermined Malky by sacking Iain Moody and tried replacing him with Borat, he was disrupting things off the pitch. The rebrand and scarfgate last season, his "ungrateful customers" remark towards the fans, his failure to convert debt to equity, requesting players with the number 8 in their birth dates to be signed, questioning why our full backs and keeper haven't scored, interfering with team affairs such as getting notes passed to Malky during games etc. It was clear with their handshake after we beat Man City that all was not well. Tan continuously brings us negative press with his big mouth and constant interference. It's guaranteed our players can't always be in the correct mindset for some games and this was evident for the Southampton game that sealed Malky's fate.

If we get relegated, it's all Vincent Tan's fault.

So Tan wasn't disrupting the dressing room as some have claimed? Did he interfere with Malkys team selection and tactics?

Its gone quiet

I've already said Tan interfered. Tan's email to Malky criticised his playing style. Everyone knows that. Maybe if you read posts properly, you won't need to ask questions which have already been answered.

Problem is Swansea went up with a style of play and bought players to fill that and it's worked.

Malky defended and played percentage football. Worked well I'm the championship and he deserves that praise but he never moved with the promotion. To many defensive players and not replacing the right players.

Tan approaches football admin the same as he does the business world. Based around concrete objectives. This is probably why we seen that style of play in order to get a quick promotion (short-term fix). Swansea was a long-term project not based around concrete objectives other than to concentrate on there brand of football - backing this will be the way to improve the club without bankrolling quick fix solutions.

Tan told Malky when he got the job he had 2 years to get to the PL? I don't like this type of admin for our club

every single club has objectives..they differ club to club but id be shocked if Malky ,even before meeting Tan was not aware of what was expected of him at this club........not just by Tan either.pretty much every fan expected him to gain promotion over 2 years, and most definately the 2nd year having been given a budget previous managers could only have dreamed of having

Fair point that is true, everyone was aware, Malky knew his time-scale & the fans expected nothing less than a promotion in 2 years

thank you.......i have to add, i think any manager taking control of the majority of championship clubs should actually have promotion as his own personal ambition/goal.if not the club have made a serious error in appointing him.

Nobody was complaining about Malky's signings at the start of the season when we beat Man City and Fulham. Unfortunately, Tan started disrupting things early on and it was a miracle Malky was still able to keep us above the relegation zone all season with everything that went on. 7 out of the current top 9 in the league were already played at home, leaving us aside from Liverpool and Chelsea, the bottom half left to play at home for the second half of the season. I believe Malky would have picked up the results required at home in those games to not only avoid relegation, but steer us towards mid table, like Steve Bruce is doing with Hull.

I'm not denying Cornelius was a big flop, but even the best managers make mistakes sometimes, and Malky won us that Cornelius money by getting us to the Premiership in the first place anyway. I notice nobody is commented on Brayford these days, probably because we've all seen what a cracking player he looks on loan to Sheffield United at the moment, getting man of the match performances against Premiership opposition. Brayford is a funny one, Malky never played him and as soon as Ole came in, Brayford still had to leave, so I wonder if that's something to do with Tan perhaps?

But everything has gone pear shaped since Tan let his jealous ego influence his behaviour, disrupting things at any opportunity he could and eventually sacking Malky. Look where that has left us now.

Can you tell me what exactly went on? what was said by Tan? cheers

Where do you want me to start?

Before Tan undermined Malky by sacking Iain Moody and tried replacing him with Borat, he was disrupting things off the pitch. The rebrand and scarfgate last season, his "ungrateful customers" remark towards the fans, his failure to convert debt to equity, requesting players with the number 8 in their birth dates to be signed, questioning why our full backs and keeper haven't scored, interfering with team affairs such as getting notes passed to Malky during games etc. It was clear with their handshake after we beat Man City that all was not well. Tan continuously brings us negative press with his big mouth and constant interference. It's guaranteed our players can't always be in the correct mindset for some games and this was evident for the Southampton game that sealed Malky's fate.

If we get relegated, it's all Vincent Tan's fault.

So Tan wasn't disrupting the dressing room as some have claimed? Did he interfere with Malkys team selection and tactics?

Its gone quiet

I've already said Tan interfered. Tan's email to Malky criticised his playing style. Everyone knows that. Maybe if you read posts properly, you won't need to ask questions which have already been answered.

What did the email actually say?

40m is more than enough if spent correctly. Mm didn't go for enough proven prem quality. Spent.30m on 3 players.

To be fair, Caulker and Medel were great so 2/3 isn't too bad. But I agree, otherwise our prem quality signings were lacking a bit.

Nobody was complaining about Malky's signings at the start of the season when we beat Man City and Fulham. Unfortunately, Tan started disrupting things early on and it was a miracle Malky was still able to keep us above the relegation zone all season with everything that went on. 7 out of the current top 9 in the league were already played at home, leaving us aside from Liverpool and Chelsea, the bottom half left to play at home for the second half of the season. I believe Malky would have picked up the results required at home in those games to not only avoid relegation, but steer us towards mid table, like Steve Bruce is doing with Hull.

I'm not denying Cornelius was a big flop, but even the best managers make mistakes sometimes, and Malky won us that Cornelius money by getting us to the Premiership in the first place anyway. I notice nobody is commented on Brayford these days, probably because we've all seen what a cracking player he looks on loan to Sheffield United at the moment, getting man of the match performances against Premiership opposition. Brayford is a funny one, Malky never played him and as soon as Ole came in, Brayford still had to leave, so I wonder if that's something to do with Tan perhaps?

But everything has gone pear shaped since Tan let his jealous ego influence his behaviour, disrupting things at any opportunity he could and eventually sacking Malky. Look where that has left us now.

Can you tell me what exactly went on? what was said by Tan? cheers

Where do you want me to start?

Before Tan undermined Malky by sacking Iain Moody and tried replacing him with Borat, he was disrupting things off the pitch. The rebrand and scarfgate last season, his "ungrateful customers" remark towards the fans, his failure to convert debt to equity, requesting players with the number 8 in their birth dates to be signed, questioning why our full backs and keeper haven't scored, interfering with team affairs such as getting notes passed to Malky during games etc. It was clear with their handshake after we beat Man City that all was not well. Tan continuously brings us negative press with his big mouth and constant interference. It's guaranteed our players can't always be in the correct mindset for some games and this was evident for the Southampton game that sealed Malky's fate.

If we get relegated, it's all Vincent Tan's fault.

So Tan wasn't disrupting the dressing room as some have claimed? Did he interfere with Malkys team selection and tactics?

Its gone quiet

I've already said Tan interfered. Tan's email to Malky criticised his playing style. Everyone knows that. Maybe if you read posts properly, you won't need to ask questions which have already been answered.

What did the email actually say?

Resign or be sacked, criticised his tactics, results and summer spending (which Lim approved) plus comparing his Watford record to how Dave Jones did for us during the same period. Malky then stated he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Tan to try and resolve things, Dalmat tried arranging a meeting a few times but Tan kept refusing. This lead to us losing 3-0 at home to Southampton. If those antics aren't disrupting things, I don't know what is!

Your saying Malky lost focus on the team because he had an e-mail?

Nobody was complaining about Malky's signings at the start of the season when we beat Man City and Fulham. Unfortunately, Tan started disrupting things early on and it was a miracle Malky was still able to keep us above the relegation zone all season with everything that went on. 7 out of the current top 9 in the league were already played at home, leaving us aside from Liverpool and Chelsea, the bottom half left to play at home for the second half of the season. I believe Malky would have picked up the results required at home in those games to not only avoid relegation, but steer us towards mid table, like Steve Bruce is doing with Hull.

I'm not denying Cornelius was a big flop, but even the best managers make mistakes sometimes, and Malky won us that Cornelius money by getting us to the Premiership in the first place anyway. I notice nobody is commented on Brayford these days, probably because we've all seen what a cracking player he looks on loan to Sheffield United at the moment, getting man of the match performances against Premiership opposition. Brayford is a funny one, Malky never played him and as soon as Ole came in, Brayford still had to leave, so I wonder if that's something to do with Tan perhaps?

But everything has gone pear shaped since Tan let his jealous ego influence his behaviour, disrupting things at any opportunity he could and eventually sacking Malky. Look where that has left us now.

Can you tell me what exactly went on? what was said by Tan? cheers

Where do you want me to start?

Before Tan undermined Malky by sacking Iain Moody and tried replacing him with Borat, he was disrupting things off the pitch. The rebrand and scarfgate last season, his "ungrateful customers" remark towards the fans, his failure to convert debt to equity, requesting players with the number 8 in their birth dates to be signed, questioning why our full backs and keeper haven't scored, interfering with team affairs such as getting notes passed to Malky during games etc. It was clear with their handshake after we beat Man City that all was not well. Tan continuously brings us negative press with his big mouth and constant interference. It's guaranteed our players can't always be in the correct mindset for some games and this was evident for the Southampton game that sealed Malky's fate.

If we get relegated, it's all Vincent Tan's fault.

So Tan wasn't disrupting the dressing room as some have claimed? Did he interfere with Malkys team selection and tactics?

Its gone quiet

I've already said Tan interfered. Tan's email to Malky criticised his playing style. Everyone knows that. Maybe if you read posts properly, you won't need to ask questions which have already been answered.

What did the email actually say?

Resign or be sacked, criticised his tactics, results and summer spending (which Lim approved) plus comparing his Watford record to how Dave Jones did for us during the same period. Malky then stated he was disappointed and wanted to talk to Tan to try and resolve things, Dalmat tried arranging a meeting a few times but Tan kept refusing. This lead to us losing 3-0 at home to Southampton. If those antics aren't disrupting things, I don't know what is!

People go on about the email but haven't seen it for themselves was it printed off somewhere i'd like to read it

Your saying Malky lost focus on the team because he had an e-mail?

I haven't said anything of the sort. Some posters are very strange with what they come up with.

Well I dont buy into this disruption talk, he had an email and replied - hardly a big deal other than malky being a bit annoyed. It didnt stop him doing his job with the players. Sadly for Malky when he needed the players to show him the support in the games they didnt look interested.

Well I dont buy into this disruption talk, he had an email and replied - hardly a big deal other than malky being a bit annoyed. It didnt stop him doing his job with the players. Sadly for Malky when he needed the players to show him the support in the games they didnt look interested.

Lots of the disruption talk was made up and built up by posters on here and the media.. People on here keep quoting this email but who actually saw and read it..

Well I dont buy into this disruption talk, he had an email and replied - hardly a big deal other than malky being a bit annoyed. It didnt stop him doing his job with the players. Sadly for Malky when he needed the players to show him the support in the games they didnt look interested.

The email was one of several things Tan did to disrupt things off the pitch, causing unnecessary distractions to our preparations for games. What must the team have been thinking when Kerslake was asked to step in at the last minute for that interview? Look what it caused with the comments in the press and by the pundits. That's just one of several examples where we were constantly in the news being talked about for all the wrong reasons! But according to you, nothing Tan has done has disrupted anything!

Well I dont buy into this disruption talk, he had an email and replied - hardly a big deal other than malky being a bit annoyed. It didnt stop him doing his job with the players. Sadly for Malky when he needed the players to show him the support in the games they didnt look interested.

Lots of the disruption talk was made up and built up by posters on here and the media.. People on here keep quoting this email but who actually saw and read it..

How daft are you really? It's pointless debating with you because you're so far up Tan's backside. The main topic of the email was "resign or be sacked". It followed our win at home to West Brom, so impecable timing by Tan once again! How you can say that wasn't one of several disruptions by Tan is absolutely unbelieveable. I'm going to give up debating any further with you in this thread because the whole world were talking about Tan's antics at the time, you and 2blue2handle (your user name says it all, so of course you're going to be on Tan's side) seem to be the only ones who fail to see it.

I'm going to give up debating any further with you in this thread because the whole world were talking about Tan's antics at the time, you and 2blue2handle (your user name says it all, so of course you're going to be on Tan's side) seem to be the only ones who fail to see it.

The whole world were talking about it, I still dont see what effect that had though on Malky's job.

I dont see how this is taking sides with Tan, im talking about Malky but clearly you like to push everything back to the rebrand and the agenda.

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

I think personally that football player transfer values are at present totally unrealistic. I go along with another poster that said malky actually spent 2/3 of his budget well.

The consensus was caulker was a bargain in the current market. Medel was the going rate for an international footballer.

I know Tonteg Bluebird is a youngster, and the only thing that I would say regarding all this is not to believe everything you read. There are usually two sides to every argument, and 95% of what you read in the press is crap, and the other 5% is more crap. The only people who really know what went on were those directly involved. The rest of us will have to form opinions based on scraps of information, and by reading gossip in the press and on forums like this.

I know Tonteg Bluebird is a youngster, and the only thing that I would say regarding all this is not to believe everything you read. There are usually two sides to every argument, and 95% of what you read in the press is crap, and the other 5% is more crap. The only people who really know what went on were those directly involved. The rest of us will have to form opinions based on scraps of information, and by reading gossip in the press and on forums like this.

All shite. Don't believe any of it. Gotcha.

Well I dont buy into this disruption talk, he had an email and replied - hardly a big deal other than malky being a bit annoyed. It didnt stop him doing his job with the players. Sadly for Malky when he needed the players to show him the support in the games they didnt look interested.

Lots of the disruption talk was made up and built up by posters on here and the media.. People on here keep quoting this email but who actually saw and read it..

How daft are you really? It's pointless debating with you because you're so far up Tan's backside. The main topic of the email was "resign or be sacked". It followed our win at home to West Brom, so impecable timing by Tan once again! How you can say that wasn't one of several disruptions by Tan is absolutely unbelieveable. I'm going to give up debating any further with you in this thread because the whole world were talking about Tan's antics at the time, you and 2blue2handle (your user name says it all, so of course you're going to be on Tan's side) seem to be the only ones who fail to see it.

Same could be said with you and malky.. Im not saying Tan is right i just wanted to see proof of the email that some claim to know so much about but in reality know bugger all except whats put on here

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

100% with that

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

100% with that

3 or 4 proven players takes the whole 40m...u have to take a gamble on the lesser unproven players and just hope u hit the right tit. Otherwise u go for somebody like Andreus Cornelly and take a backhander la

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

I think personally that football player transfer values are at present totally unrealistic. I go along with another poster that said malky actually spent 2/3 of his budget well.

The consensus was caulker was a bargain in the current market. Medel was the going rate for an international footballer.

We didn't look for bargains and didn't look for experience, when we did it was a hit and hope with Odemwingie. I welcomed him because I thought he still had a bit in him and I believe he could of done better in some games but MM didn't know how to set up an attacking team. It was all about lumping the midfield.

Medel is a fantastic player, always going to be difficult to prove his value as our team ain't exactly on his wavelength of passing etc.

KTC was a decent buy, had some abysmal games but if he improves in the future then good, still quite young.

The problem was we went for players who were way above our own players.

Hull went for players who weren't to high of their level, got some experience. I felt we should of pinched in for Huddlestone or Livermore.

Jelavic would of been a great buy in the Summer. He has got goals in this division, gets chances and Everton are pushing forward and got ambitions so he was always going to full down the pecking order. We decided to take a punt on Cornelius.

I think MM didn't plan what sort of team he wanted and what style he wanted to play in the Prem, Steve Bruce went position to position for players he thought would blend into his team.

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

I think personally that football player transfer values are at present totally unrealistic. I go along with another poster that said malky actually spent 2/3 of his budget well.

The consensus was caulker was a bargain in the current market. Medel was the going rate for an international footballer.

We didn't look for bargains and didn't look for experience, when we did it was a hit and hope with Odemwingie. I welcomed him because I thought he still had a bit in him and I believe he could of done better in some games but MM didn't know how to set up an attacking team. It was all about lumping the midfield.

Medel is a fantastic player, always going to be difficult to prove his value as our team ain't exactly on his wavelength of passing etc.

KTC was a decent buy, had some abysmal games but if he improves in the future then good, still quite young.

The problem was we went for players who were way above our own players.

Hull went for players who weren't to high of their level, got some experience. I felt we should of pinched in for Huddlestone or Livermore.

Jelavic would of been a great buy in the Summer. He has got goals in this division, gets chances and Everton are pushing forward and got ambitions so he was always going to full down the pecking order. We decided to take a punt on Cornelius.

I think MM didn't plan what sort of team he wanted and what style he wanted to play in the Prem, Steve Bruce went position to position for players he thought would blend into his team.

can't argue with that it's true the squad did not have enough experienced players. I am in total agreement with you on the calibre of player bought may not of been the correct blend that is required at that stage of our development.

Whopper.

Call me greedy but when someone gets 40-50 million to spend in the Prem, us supporters should be expecting to be sniffing around the top 10 or maybe 11-14th.

The money was blown stupidly.

Ole if he had that budget would have used it wisely and would have been ruthless to get rid of the players who are not making the grade.

I think personally that football player transfer values are at present totally unrealistic. I go along with another poster that said malky actually spent 2/3 of his budget well.

The consensus was caulker was a bargain in the current market. Medel was the going rate for an international footballer.

We didn't look for bargains and didn't look for experience, when we did it was a hit and hope with Odemwingie. I welcomed him because I thought he still had a bit in him and I believe he could of done better in some games but MM didn't know how to set up an attacking team. It was all about lumping the midfield.

Medel is a fantastic player, always going to be difficult to prove his value as our team ain't exactly on his wavelength of passing etc.

KTC was a decent buy, had some abysmal games but if he improves in the future then good, still quite young.

The problem was we went for players who were way above our own players.

Hull went for players who weren't to high of their level, got some experience. I felt we should of pinched in for Huddlestone or Livermore.

Jelavic would of been a great buy in the Summer. He has got goals in this division, gets chances and Everton are pushing forward and got ambitions so he was always going to full down the pecking order. We decided to take a punt on Cornelius.

I think MM didn't plan what sort of team he wanted and what style he wanted to play in the Prem, Steve Bruce went position to position for players he thought would blend into his team.

Nonsense.

Hull spent a fraction what Malky did in the summer but spent it wisely.

The only 2 decent players Malky signed - Caulker and Medel - he paid way over the odds.

The price we paid for them two Bruce fully upgraded his whole squad then put the icing on the cake in January with the captures of Jelavic and Long.

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40 million in this league is a joke, want to play with the big boys then you have to spend big boy money. The average price for a half decent PL player if at least 20 million, so for the owners to believe 40 million was going to be enough to keep us up is naive at best and reckless at worst, you reap what you sow in this world

Its the highest amount spent by a newly promoted club you whopper