What Football should learn from Rugby Part 1

I have a theory.
The working class are being prices out of the game,that's for sure and being replaced by the middle class .Middle classes haven't got a clue how to get an atmosphere going so until we get prices reduced and the working class back the atmospheres gone and never coming back.

People go on about classes with football with the knowledge that the middle class section of the population is growing constantly

In response to the Rugby T***s should get banning order threads I thought I would post areas of the game that Football should improve and learn from their egg catching counterparts.

Part 1 = Respect.

So football fans want the respect given to them that is afforded to others. Well I have heard some pretty dire arguments that violence was stopped in 80's which simply isn't true as football violence is still as much alive today as it ever was. The only difference is the policing of the games which has improved and cut the violence. Ask yourselves if the venues were not policed how long would it take for violence to break out?

Craig Bellamy was publicly shot down by some quarters for calling fans a few choice swear words but what was done by the club? Nothing. We see week in week out players rolling over, tripping over blades of grass not cut short enough, trying to cheat to gain an advantage being dishonest and using foul language directed towards referees and officials and using intimidation tactics to hijack the refereeing decisions.

I’m sure there are examples of the above nature that have occurred in Rugby previously so please don’t dig up links to try to hide behind the fact that this is a big problem in Football as more or less every football game players will cheat by feigning injury or surround the ref back chatting and acting like spoilt children.

What do the clubs do about this? You guessed it nothing. Again I’m sure there are examples of fines being issued etc for more serious offences but the lack of respect given to officials generally goes unpunished.

After Louis Picamoles was yellow carded against Wales last weekend he sarcastically applauded the ref, gave a thumbs up sign and displayed that spoilt brattish behaviour we see in each football game. What did his team do? You guessed it, they have dropped him and given a public statement saying "Certain attitudes have no place whatsoever in our sport."
You can be sure that Picamoles will think twice in future about how he conducts himself on the field in future and this is an example of how the clubs/teams in Rugby respond to what should be at the very heart of both Rugby and Football. Respect!
Should the football clubs do more to ensure that respect is at the forefront of the teams values?

its as simple as this........there were arrests after a mass brawl at Newbury races between two groups,one from Swansea the other from Cardiff......lots of video evidence, lasted forever..lots of injuries........all the Swansea contingent got off with the excuse they were rugby fans/players/groupies whatever on a stag do??????........if that exact same fight had taken place with 50 of ours jumping off a coach and being met with an equal number of jacks at the liberty recently........100 jail sentences......100 10 year bans.......we have fans on 10 year bans that did not throw a punch,or even comit a public order offence..........so please dont insult anyones intelligence any further with rugby twats part 2

In response to the Rugby T***s should get banning order threads I thought I would post areas of the game that Football should improve and learn from their egg catching counterparts.

Part 1 = Respect.

So football fans want the respect given to them that is afforded to others. Well I have heard some pretty dire arguments that violence was stopped in 80's which simply isn't true as football violence is still as much alive today as it ever was. The only difference is the policing of the games which has improved and cut the violence. Ask yourselves if the venues were not policed how long would it take for violence to break out?

Craig Bellamy was publicly shot down by some quarters for calling fans a few choice swear words but what was done by the club? Nothing. We see week in week out players rolling over, tripping over blades of grass not cut short enough, trying to cheat to gain an advantage being dishonest and using foul language directed towards referees and officials and using intimidation tactics to hijack the refereeing decisions.

I’m sure there are examples of the above nature that have occurred in Rugby previously so please don’t dig up links to try to hide behind the fact that this is a big problem in Football as more or less every football game players will cheat by feigning injury or surround the ref back chatting and acting like spoilt children.

What do the clubs do about this? You guessed it nothing. Again I’m sure there are examples of fines being issued etc for more serious offences but the lack of respect given to officials generally goes unpunished.

After Louis Picamoles was yellow carded against Wales last weekend he sarcastically applauded the ref, gave a thumbs up sign and displayed that spoilt brattish behaviour we see in each football game. What did his team do? You guessed it, they have dropped him and given a public statement saying "Certain attitudes have no place whatsoever in our sport."
You can be sure that Picamoles will think twice in future about how he conducts himself on the field in future and this is an example of how the clubs/teams in Rugby respond to what should be at the very heart of both Rugby and Football. Respect!
Should the football clubs do more to ensure that respect is at the forefront of the teams values?

its as simple as this........there were arrests after a mass brawl at Newbury races between two groups,one from Swansea the other from Cardiff......lots of video evidence, lasted forever..lots of injuries........all the Swansea contingent got off with the excuse they were rugby fans/players/groupies whatever on a stag do??????........if that exact same fight had taken place with 50 of ours jumping off a coach and being met with an equal number of jacks........100 jail sentences......100 10 year bans.......we have fans on 10 year bans that did not throw a punch,or even comit a public order offence..........so please dont insult anyones intelligence any further with rugby twats part 2

You bring this up but it didn't even take place at a rugby game or anywhere near? It was at a horse racing track FFS Whats anything you said got to do with the OP?

In response to the Rugby T***s should get banning order threads I thought I would post areas of the game that Football should improve and learn from their egg catching counterparts.

Part 1 = Respect.

So football fans want the respect given to them that is afforded to others. Well I have heard some pretty dire arguments that violence was stopped in 80's which simply isn't true as football violence is still as much alive today as it ever was. The only difference is the policing of the games which has improved and cut the violence. Ask yourselves if the venues were not policed how long would it take for violence to break out?

Craig Bellamy was publicly shot down by some quarters for calling fans a few choice swear words but what was done by the club? Nothing. We see week in week out players rolling over, tripping over blades of grass not cut short enough, trying to cheat to gain an advantage being dishonest and using foul language directed towards referees and officials and using intimidation tactics to hijack the refereeing decisions.

I’m sure there are examples of the above nature that have occurred in Rugby previously so please don’t dig up links to try to hide behind the fact that this is a big problem in Football as more or less every football game players will cheat by feigning injury or surround the ref back chatting and acting like spoilt children.

What do the clubs do about this? You guessed it nothing. Again I’m sure there are examples of fines being issued etc for more serious offences but the lack of respect given to officials generally goes unpunished.

After Louis Picamoles was yellow carded against Wales last weekend he sarcastically applauded the ref, gave a thumbs up sign and displayed that spoilt brattish behaviour we see in each football game. What did his team do? You guessed it, they have dropped him and given a public statement saying "Certain attitudes have no place whatsoever in our sport."
You can be sure that Picamoles will think twice in future about how he conducts himself on the field in future and this is an example of how the clubs/teams in Rugby respond to what should be at the very heart of both Rugby and Football. Respect!
Should the football clubs do more to ensure that respect is at the forefront of the teams values?

its as simple as this........there were arrests after a mass brawl at Newbury races between two groups,one from Swansea the other from Cardiff......lots of video evidence, lasted forever..lots of injuries........all the Swansea contingent got off with the excuse they were rugby fans/players/groupies whatever on a stag do??????........if that exact same fight had taken place with 50 of ours jumping off a coach and being met with an equal number of jacks........100 jail sentences......100 10 year bans.......we have fans on 10 year bans that did not throw a punch,or even comit a public order offence..........so please dont insult anyones intelligence any further with rugby twats part 2

You bring this up but it didn't even take place at a rugby game or anywhere near? It was at a horse racing track FFS Whats anything you said got to do with the OP?

there was a lot made at the time about it being football related { some of the chants were regarded as football }.it had been pre arranged etc .had that been proved those boys would be doing time..........thats what it has to do with it.......rugby boys from 2 citys fighting at the races is ok........football boys is frowned upon.......same boys,same fight

BEER AT SEATS. END OF THREAD.

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That is true Browny but I don't see why class is anything to do with this discussion.

Me neither old man but for the OP to state such a lie clearly make his other comments are just as worthless

Come on then Adam name some countries other than England where rugby is for the upper classes and where public schoolboys provide the backbone of a team

That is true Browny but I don't see why class is anything to do with this discussion.

Me neither old man but for the OP to state such a lie clearly make his other comments are just as worthless

Come on then Adam name some countries other than England where rugby is for the upper classes and where public schoolboys provide the backbone of a team

Scotland.

Physios comming on the foeld when the game is on works in rugby cant see why it wouldn't work in football. Help stop time wasting.
More clear definition on the advantage rule.
sin bin
video refs
4th 9
Official keeping time , time stopped for subs and after goals. for all to see on stadium clock

That is true Browny but I don't see why class is anything to do with this discussion.

Me neither old man but for the OP to state such a lie clearly make his other comments are just as worthless

Come on then Adam name some countries other than England where rugby is for the upper classes and where public schoolboys provide the backbone of a team

Scotland.

Scotland rugby is a middle to upper class game really bad example ,the Scottish rugby clubs are posh as f**k and lots if boarding schools play it

Lets see, Scotland, Ireland, France, Australia and of course England.

That is true Browny but I don't see why class is anything to do with this discussion.

Me neither old man but for the OP to state such a lie clearly make his other comments are just as worthless

Come on then Adam name some countries other than England where rugby is for the upper classes and where public schoolboys provide the backbone of a team

Scotland.

Scotland rugby is a middle to upper class game really bad example ,the Scottish rugby clubs are posh as f**k and lots if boarding schools play it

Which is clearly why I posted Scotland. Always helps to read a post first before replying.

A lot of Scots would disagree with those comments, I've played rugby in school, university and club level and they are nowhere near public school boys.

The difference in Australia is a lot of "upper class" and public schools are still very closely tied to the UK so Rugby is played all the time. The split of there classes is between Rugby League, Rugby Union and Aussie Rules, so can't say football is for the working class and rugby isn't there.

New Zealand everyone plays Rugby (or Rugby League) and Football is barely an afterthought.

Ireland is the same us Wales for the majority, France's rugby is split into regional academies from an earlier age and dedicates sporting focus to the game so isn't a far comparison.

South Africa is the only country close to England for the argument in this thread and that's to do with politics and race, not a simple class divide.

The thread is not whether rugby is upper class or not it is whether we can learn from the sport, rugby is upper class and is played by the upper classes but the fans ain't. Football is pricing out the working classes, it's becoming a refusal of rugby.

Rugby is a game watched by gentlemen and played by hooligans,

Football is a game played by gentlemen and watched by hooligans.

I had a ticket for the game versus France last Friday, I went with friends. It was the first time in many years that I witnessed a supporter physically assault another supporter at a sporting event. Perhaps the rugby fans are learning from us.

I had a ticket for the game versus France last Friday, I went with friends. It was the first time in many years that I witnessed a supporter physically assault another supporter at a sporting event. Perhaps the rugby fans are learning from us.

Welsh rugby fans are thugs, that much is true. A lot of them go out for a fight after the game yet it is us who are chastised by the public and the media as thugs. 99.9% of Cardiff fans home and away have a drink and behave themselves impeccably nowadays, have done for years. The only time things get heated is when stewards like the ones at Bolton still think our fans are stuck in the dark ages and treat us as hooligans. I am proud to say our fans stand up for each other when this happens.

A lot of Scots would disagree with those comments, I've played rugby in school, university and club level and they are nowhere near public school boys.

The difference in Australia is a lot of "upper class" and public schools are still very closely tied to the UK so Rugby is played all the time. The split of there classes is between Rugby League, Rugby Union and Aussie Rules, so can't say football is for the working class and rugby isn't there. Agree with the class spilt is actually between the different Rugby codes and as the OP was on about Rugby Union then Rugby Union isn't working class

New Zealand everyone plays Rugby (or Rugby League) and Football is barely an afterthought.

Ireland is the same us Wales for the majority Disagree, France's rugby is split into regional academies from an earlier age and dedicates sporting focus to the game so isn't a far comparison.Also disagree because as you say Rugby Union is mainly played in the South of France where the class of people is different to the rest of France.

South Africa is the only country close to England for the argument in this thread and that's to do with politics and race, not a simple class divide.

Rugby is a game watched by gentlemen and played by hooligans,

Football is a game played by gentlemen and watched by hooligans.

yes pmsl..........sly punches.stamping on heads when laying on floor..real gents

Football can learn absolutely nothing from Rugby.

Rugby is a shit game made for rich stuck up cunts.

Football is for everybody.

Really? Rugby is a working class game unless of course your refering to the public schoolboy thing in England. In Wales and the rest of the World it's definately working class.
Football is for everybody? Maybe, but the fat kid always gets shoved in goals whilst Rugby has positions for short, tall, fast, slow, fat, skinny etc so that argument is nonsense.

Football can learn nothing from Rugby? I think the thread has clearly highlighted 1 area where football can improve especially seeing as some fans are moaning about the lack of respect they recieve from police etc.

You have included no facts, no thoughtful insight and just posted a load of tosh!

Sorry you are wrong as Wales is the ONLY country were Rugby Union is a working class sport FACT

How nice it must be to know your fact,
now think of New Zealand and change your tact!

That is true Browny but I don't see why class is anything to do with this discussion.

Me neither old man but for the OP to state such a lie clearly make his other comments are just as worthless

Come on then Adam name some countries other than England where rugby is for the upper classes and where public schoolboys provide the backbone of a team

Scotland.

Scotland rugby is a middle to upper class game really bad example ,the Scottish rugby clubs are posh as f**k and lots if boarding schools play it

Rugby in Scotland goes posher the further up north you go and in the cities
but the borders is all working class, so try again to suck on the right titties

The borders are not really working class are they? Mostly farmers and citizens of market towns! My father lived in Scotland for 17 years!

Football can learn absolutely nothing from Rugby.

Rugby is a shit game made for rich stuck up cunts.

Football is for everybody.

Here we go, another smart arse trying to enforce his own opinion (guessing by your username another sub 30 global know it all)...

At the end of the day, you only have to look in Cardiff on international day - there is nothing quite like it. If we could have anything like that for football we would be laughing.

I really don't see the obsession with some morons with the whole "egg chasers". Its the national sport. Ive followed it my entire life but obviously I shouldnt be allowed to watch that aswell as football. tut tut

Summed it up when some of our more vocal cretins chanting "shove the rugby up your arse" against Norwich. Point being?????

One day someone like this will say Fords are shit cos I drive a Peugeot and then they will try enforcing their opinion again cos they are "right"! utter bollucks

The point about Picamoles was right though, chopsy cnt that thought he was bigger than the game and pulled down a peg or 2.