' PMG sell Cardiff City Stadium land for nearly £60M '

The Sandmartin also paid around £6m I believe for their land which they currently stand, yet their car park belongs to the stadium on a match day again I'm told generated around £10,000 a game

And when I said Paul Guy/Mike Hall aka PMG were not making Millions upon Millions out of Cardiff City I got shot down.

And of course Annis when the taxman came calling PMG knowing they were going to make their millions here would have let Him close our doors.

As I said in the beginning there was too much interest in the club to allow the taxman close us down and now most are praising Tan for saving us. Yeah right if Tan had not stepped in I'm confidence someone else would have with all that money to win.

Ian, We were never ever dead, PMG had millions invested in us and Paul Guy must be worth well over £100 mill. Guy was never going to let his money be lost.

Annis that's a myth about us not being dead.
I went to the court that day and as I have said many times on this board despite the written guarantee of 6 million from Vincent tan the revenue barrister still wanted us liquidated because in his opinion we were still insolvent.
There were no offers on the table from other people and bear in mind paul guy had the retail park so he could have afforded to write the Cardiff debt off as some day as we are seeing now he would reclaim those monies from the sale of the retail park.
Once that court hearing started it was liquidation or tans investment accepted by the court.
Aside from paying for the land that allowed the stadium to be built paul also stood guarantor for the additional 9 million needed to complete and fit the stadium out.
We've been down this road many times and as steve borley came on this board and said without paul guy propping the club up after Black Friday we would have been gone a long time ago.
If the roles were reversed and it was Sam doing what paul is doing now we would be saying good luck to him he deserved it.
Let's not forget any money paul put in was his own personal money not the borrowed money Sam put in.

I will always disagree with u on the Red or Dead as even Alan Whitley to our faces said that was not true, at worse he said we would suffer relegation.

Annis

I'm not talking about the red or dead I'm talking about when tan made his first investment.
Without that investment we were dead

Annis whilst I am sure PMG have made a profit on the deal to suggest they don't deserse a return for an extremely brave investment is wrong. They stood in when C&R could not find tenants in a market when retail and speculative investment could not be funded. They also put up the shortfall funding to build the stadium and stood guarantor to deliver the project.
The land was sold at full value before the Lehman,s crash and 150000square ft of retail would cost over 200.00 per square ft to build . Much of the retail stood empty when built and much would have been let with long rent free periods given market conditions. The financing costs, legals, and professionals would have been considerable never mind the costs associated fighting Langston. In the end they deserve every penny they got out of the deal but it won't be 60 million

And when I said Paul Guy/Mike Hall aka PMG were not making Millions upon Millions out of Cardiff City I got shot down.

And of course Annis when the taxman came calling PMG knowing they were going to make their millions here would have let Him close our doors.

As I said in the beginning there was too much interest in the club to allow the taxman close us down and now most are praising Tan for saving us. Yeah right if Tan had not stepped in I'm confidence someone else would have with all that money to win.

Ian, We were never ever dead, PMG had millions invested in us and Paul Guy must be worth well over £100 mill. Guy was never going to let his money be lost.

Annis that's a myth about us not being dead.
I went to the court that day and as I have said many times on this board despite the written guarantee of 6 million from Vincent tan the revenue barrister still wanted us liquidated because in his opinion we were still insolvent.
There were no offers on the table from other people and bear in mind paul guy had the retail park so he could have afforded to write the Cardiff debt off as some day as we are seeing now he would reclaim those monies from the sale of the retail park.
Once that court hearing started it was liquidation or tans investment accepted by the court.
Aside from paying for the land that allowed the stadium to be built paul also stood guarantor for the additional 9 million needed to complete and fit the stadium out.
We've been down this road many times and as steve borley came on this board and said without paul guy propping the club up after Black Friday we would have been gone a long time ago.
If the roles were reversed and it was Sam doing what paul is doing now we would be saying good luck to him he deserved it.
Let's not forget any money paul put in was his own personal money not the borrowed money Sam put in.

I will always disagree with u on the Red or Dead as even Alan Whitley to our faces said that was not true, at worse he said we would suffer relegation.

Annis

I'm not talking about the red or dead I'm talking about when tan made his first investment.
Without that investment we were dead

Sorry Steve, I thought u meant the Red or Dead Gwyn Davies put out, as that was total lies.

i am astonished people still trying to find a way to praise Hamman on this board only a few
days after his true colors was shown when he made a statement to back Vincent Tan against
Mackay. Does not the penny drop? he has dumped all of you and joined the Dark Side for his
pound of flesh. Would he have to take hostage your families before you will speak against him?

Where have I ?

Please show me?

I think he's on about me. It is a fact that Sam got the ball rolling and Sam was 100% right in what he said about Malky.

Annis whilst I am sure PMG have made a profit on the deal to suggest they don't deserse a return for an extremely brave investment is wrong. They stood in when C&R could not find tenants in a market when retail and speculative investment could not be funded. They also put up the shortfall funding to build the stadium and stood guarantor to deliver the project.
The land was sold at full value before the Lehman,s crash and 150000square ft of retail would cost over 200.00 per square ft to build . Much of the retail stood empty when built and much would have been let with long rent free periods given market conditions. The financing costs, legals, and professionals would have been considerable never mind the costs associated fighting Langston. In the end they deserve every penny they got out of the deal but it won't be 60 million

Everyone is entitled to a profit.

Annis whilst I am sure PMG have made a profit on the deal to suggest they don't deserse a return for an extremely brave investment is wrong. They stood in when C&R could not find tenants in a market when retail and speculative investment could not be funded. They also put up the shortfall funding to build the stadium and stood guarantor to deliver the project.
The land was sold at full value before the Lehman,s crash and 150000square ft of retail would cost over 200.00 per square ft to build . Much of the retail stood empty when built and much would have been let with long rent free periods given market conditions. The financing costs, legals, and professionals would have been considerable never mind the costs associated fighting Langston. In the end they deserve every penny they got out of the deal but it won't be 60 million

Steve, your miss understanding my point, I dont blame anyone for making money and I also believe people deserve to if they put their money where their mouth is. My point was at the time many on here,posters said Paul Guy was only lending us money to save City, but to him it was a business investment and that only.

i am astonished people still trying to find a way to praise Hamman on this board only a few
days after his true colors was shown when he made a statement to back Vincent Tan against
Mackay. Does not the penny drop? he has dumped all of you and joined the Dark Side for his
pound of flesh. Would he have to take hostage your families before you will speak against him?

Where have I ?

Please show me?

I think he's trying to say by criticising Paul Guy
Vincent Tan and saying nothing against Sam is similar to backing Sam.

i am astonished people still trying to find a way to praise Hamman on this board only a few
days after his true colors was shown when he made a statement to back Vincent Tan against
Mackay. Does not the penny drop? he has dumped all of you and joined the Dark Side for his
pound of flesh. Would he have to take hostage your families before you will speak against him?

Where have I ?

Please show me?

I think he's trying to say by criticising Paul Guy
Vincent Tan and saying nothing against Sam is similar to backing Sam.

Hmm

This topic was not about Sam.

Also only a few days ago, I said I 100% I did not agree with Sams comments regarding, Malky,Rebrand and Tan.
I also did not agree with Sam changing our badge.

I will always say if I feel Sam was wrong and he has been on numerous occasions, but I was only discussing the sale of the land which PMG had just sold. As usual posters try to twist stuff.

i am astonished people still trying to find a way to praise Hamman on this board only a few
days after his true colors was shown when he made a statement to back Vincent Tan against
Mackay. Does not the penny drop? he has dumped all of you and joined the Dark Side for his
pound of flesh. Would he have to take hostage your families before you will speak against him?

Where have I ?

Please show me?

I think he's trying to say by criticising Paul Guy
Vincent Tan and saying nothing against Sam is similar to backing Sam.

Hmm

This topic was not about Sam.

Also only a few days ago, I said I 100% I did not agree with Sams comments regarding, Malky,Rebrand and Tan.
I also did not agree with Sam changing our badge.

I will always say if I feel Sam was wrong and he has been on numerous occasions, but I was only discussing the sale of the land which PMG had just sold. As usual posters try to twist stuff.

Ian twisted this into somehow showing that it proved we wouldn't have gone bust had Tan not saved us from liquidation. That was wrong. I brought up Sam but feel my point was valid that without him in the first instance there wouldn't have been a stadium or retail park.

The Sandmartin also paid around £6m I believe for their land which they currently stand, yet their car park belongs to the stadium on a match day again I'm told generated around £10,000 a game

No way would marston s pay 6 million for that site sorry but I just can't see.that its not a prime site ,the pow in Cardiff take 35-40 k a day on match days ,10 k is nothing

Anybody noticed the real hidden gem in this story yet

Berman was the snake, at the time he was trying to free up a lot of development land in Cardiff. Paul Guy had a developement company and a Tracey Berman was employed by the same company. Whether related or not i dont know but its not a common surname. I bet a few brown envelopes were flying around and still are feckin twats!

i am astonished people still trying to find a way to praise Hamman on this board only a few
days after his true colors was shown when he made a statement to back Vincent Tan against
Mackay. Does not the penny drop? he has dumped all of you and joined the Dark Side for his
pound of flesh. Would he have to take hostage your families before you will speak against him?

Where have I ?

Please show me?

I think he's trying to say by criticising Paul Guy
Vincent Tan and saying nothing against Sam is similar to backing Sam.

Hmm

This topic was not about Sam.

Also only a few days ago, I said I 100% I did not agree with Sams comments regarding, Malky,Rebrand and Tan.
I also did not agree with Sam changing our badge.

I will always say if I feel Sam was wrong and he has been on numerous occasions, but I was only discussing the sale of the land which PMG had just sold. As usual posters try to twist stuff.

Ian twisted this into somehow showing that it proved we wouldn't have gone bust had Tan not saved us from liquidation. That was wrong. I brought up Sam but feel my point was valid that without him in the first instance there wouldn't have been a stadium or retail park.

That was my point. The same people spend such time attacking Tan every day over everything But Hamman
is now Tans biggest supporter apart from Lim and the most attack he will get is I Disagree? He really has had a
proverbial shit on everyone who backed him against Tan. I am only curious. Paul Guy has not made any statements
to say Vincent Tan is Great. Only Hamman has this honour

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ay-5096460

'Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay can emulate Manchester United FC great Sir Alex Ferguson'
13 Jul 2013 12:58
Cardiff-born Bluebirds director Paul Guy is stepping out of the boardroom to become a fan. Here, he delivers his verdict on the key men who helped shape the club into what it is today

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-boss-malky-mackay-5096460

'Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay can emulate Manchester United FC great Sir Alex Ferguson'
13 Jul 2013 12:58
Cardiff-born Bluebirds director Paul Guy is stepping out of the boardroom to become a fan. Here, he delivers his verdict on the key men who helped shape the club into what it is today

Paul Guy says nothing to praise Tan here? Just a standard saying of They Should Be OK

This was a day Hamman told fans to shut up about Blue was it not?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sam+prais ... 0337908911

Since what time he has regularly made statements backing Vincent Tan and standing at his shoulder AGAINST
the fans protests. My only question was why does he not get the same abuse as Tan now he obviously has nailed
his colours firmly on Tans team?

Berman was the snake, at the time he was trying to free up a lot of development land in Cardiff. Paul Guy had a developement company and a Tracey Berman was employed by the same company. Whether related or not i dont know but its not a common surname. I bet a few brown envelopes were flying around and still are feckin twats!

The brown envelope club matt

Berman was the snake, at the time he was trying to free up a lot of development land in Cardiff. Paul Guy had a developement company and a Tracey Berman was employed by the same company. Whether related or not i dont know but its not a common surname. I bet a few brown envelopes were flying around and still are feckin twats!

The brown envelope club matt
Who are the erstwhile advisors.

Berman was the snake, at the time he was trying to free up a lot of development land in Cardiff. Paul Guy had a developement company and a Tracey Berman was employed by the same company. Whether related or not i dont know but its not a common surname. I bet a few brown envelopes were flying around and still are feckin twats!

The brown envelope club matt
Who are the erstwhile advisors.

Im keen on a few brown envelopes myself