Why the term Dictator?

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

Consulted fans?? Neil, you were not at the meetings, fans were blackmailed and if u dont agree with Tan your removed from the club, thats a Dictator, your not allowed your opinions or beliefs.

Annis you cannot disagree that a majority of fans polled backed the rebrand. I stress I would prefer blue but people went for the money. I disagree it was blackmail a bribe maybe but not blackmail. Who has he got rid of?

Neil I wasnt polled?

As to his money I never ever wanted it over our identity and that Ive always maintained

The poll was on the website Carl writes for. I voted against.

Neil, u mean a poll by hundreds, not our season ticket holders, who are the ones that count? The club refused to let the season ticket holders do one.

Any way the point is, as Ive always said Our Identity means more to me than all this pathetic/false glory and Red shite

He's making changes that the fans don't want. Therefore, he is a dictator.

Like what?

Like Annis has changed we're cardiff city we'll always be blue on the forum banner! Some people don't like that

He's making changes that the fans don't want. Therefore, he is a dictator.

Like what?

Like Annis has changed we're cardiff city we'll always be blue on the forum banner! Some people don't like that

how can anyone dislike that?!

He's making changes that the fans don't want. Therefore, he is a dictator.

Like what?

Like Annis has changed we're cardiff city we'll always be blue on the forum banner! Some people don't like that

That's not annis being a dictator it's his website.

He's making changes that the fans don't want. Therefore, he is a dictator.

Like what?

Like Annis has changed we're cardiff city we'll always be blue on the forum banner! Some people don't like that

Ive got over 5k posts and I wasnt polled!!!! Dam you!!! Lol

Polled at the time in wales online and at end of season. Majority backed it.

Fox News Poll: 64% believe there is corruption at the IRS: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02 ... on-at-irs/

UKIP tops Independent on Sunday poll as the nation’s favourite party: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 69625.html

Basically what im saying is you 'poll' people who haven't got a clue or suit your agenda, you'll get suprising results. Balloting however.

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

no he didnt you plum

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

no he didnt you plum

I have posted many articles that agree he did.

No you haven't. You've posted articles that confirms he bribed the fans into taking on the rebrand.

You've not shown anything about a consultation because there wasn't one.

No consultation taken at all by he club - be it by polls, fan forums to discuss, choices of kit design, survey of all regulars.

The list goes on and on.

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

That's laughable fella . Everton did things the right way by surveying their season ticket holders in their badge change . That's democracy not out f*cking fiasco . The man is a disgrace . No real fan consultation whatsoever

Consulted the fans.... MaccyDee you are seriously deluded.

He threatened to walk and leave the club in ruins if fans didn't back him and his horrific rebrand.

Some consultation.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... nt-2052287

He said they would seek extra investment but wouldn't leave the club in a mess.

Nobody has answered why he is a dictator.

Is it because he has bought lots of players without consulting us?
Is it because he has spent lots on increasing the capacity without consulting us?
Is it because he is developing new training facilities without consulting us?
Is it because he developed a progressive ticketing system where a Cardiff fans can get a ticket for Premiership football for as little as £20 without consulting us?
Is it because he employed a high profile, in demand manager without consulting us?

These are not the actions of a dictator. A dictator is an individual who makes rules and decisions without input from another.
Tan will have been advised on the above matters. He will have the final say on a lot of things. So I agree with the OP. Tan is no dictator.

Consulted the fans.... MaccyDee you are seriously deluded.

He threatened to walk and leave the club in ruins if fans didn't back him and his horrific rebrand.

Some consultation.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... nt-2052287

He said they would seek extra investment but wouldn't leave the club in a mess.

Nobody has answered why he is a dictator.

Is it because he has bought lots of players without consulting us?
Is it because he has spent lots on increasing the capacity without consulting us?
Is it because he is developing new training facilities without consulting us?
Is it because he developed a progressive ticketing system where a Cardiff fans can get a ticket for Premiership football for as little as £20 without consulting us?
Is it because he employed a high profile, in demand manager without consulting us?

These are not the actions of a dictator. A dictator is an individual who makes rules and decisions without input from another.
Tan will have been advised on the above matters. He will have the final say on a lot of things. So I agree with the OP. Tan is no dictator.

Thank you some sense.

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

It's not HIS club, it's ours hence why he's a dictator, we don't want his changes...simples

[quote="londontaffia"][quote="maccydee"][quote="Barry Chuckle"]He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.[/quote]

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.[/quote]


It's not HIS club, it's ours hence why he's a dictator, we don't want his changes...simples[/quote]
It is his club.

He is dictating the changes at the club, despite the fact that nobody wants that apart from him. No consultation, no fans meetings... Nothing.

Dictator.

Like what? It is his club. The really big change (rebrand) he consulted fans about.

It's not HIS club, it's ours hence why he's a dictator, we don't want his changes...simples

Any grown man who uses simples immediately ceases to have any worth to a debate.

It was his million pound a month keeping us afloat during our time in the Championship, very soon he will win almost all of our shares and he pays the bills so it's his club. Rock Wright gave 'us' the club many years ago. It didn't work.

There was no poll then, as suggested by MaccyDee.

I certainly didn't get any consultation, nor did 99% of the other fans. It was either you go along with my ideas, or I leave and leave your club in grave danger.

Hardly a consultation.

You cant have it both ways Barry. You always use that term that he said he would leave the club in safe hands so the red or dead argument didnt count. Now you say we could have been in grave danger....which is it???

After the fans initial uproar over the rebrand plans, Tan did indeed say that if his plans were rejected then he would seek further investors and would leave the club in good hands. He also stated that he still had an affection for our club.
Personally I interpreted this as Tan bringing in more investors because he was not prepared to put in his full investment if he could not have full control over the future direction of the club.
It was at this point that certain fans panicked and started putting out the misinformation that this somehow meant red or dead and certain administration.
The reality was that Tan was not saying this at all and it was more a case of certain fans were worried that the club would not receive Tans full investment and would possibly struggle in the league as a result.
When certain fans went to the media peddling the red or dead doomsday scenario and influenced others it was at this point that Tan realised that the fans might not be as united over the rebrand as he first thought and he then proceeded full speed ahead with his plans. So the rebrand was equally the fault of certain fans whipping up support whilst trying to needlessly frighten others with a scenario that never existed (you know who they are) but since then Tan has also used every dirty trick in the book to undermine the part of our fan base that does not share his vision and has since ruthlessly eradicated any resistance to his plans and position at the club.
So yes Tan is a dictator but we could have stopped the monster initially when we had the chance but were undermined by some of our fellow fans.with hindsight however and given what we know now, I wonder how many of us would have stuck to our original opposition and took the chance on banning the rebrand when we had the opportunity?

There was no poll then, as suggested by MaccyDee.

I certainly didn't get any consultation, nor did 99% of the other fans. It was either you go along with my ideas, or I leave and leave your club in grave danger.

Hardly a consultation.

You cant have it both ways Barry. You always use that term that he said he would leave the club in safe hands so the red or dead argument didnt count. Now you say we could have been in grave danger....which is it???

After the fans initial uproar over the rebrand plans, Tan did indeed say that if his plans were rejected then he would seek further investors and would leave the club in good hands. He also stated that he still had an affection for our club.
Personally I interpreted this as Tan bringing in more investors because he was not prepared to put in his full investment if he could not have full control over the future direction of the club.
It was at this point that certain fans panicked and started putting out the misinformation that this somehow meant red or dead and certain administration.
The reality was that Tan was not saying this at all and it was more a case of certain fans were worried that the club would not receive Tans full investment and would possibly struggle in the league as a result.
When certain fans went to the media peddling the red or dead doomsday scenario and influenced others it was at this point that Tan realised that the fans might not be as united over the rebrand as he first thought and he then proceeded full speed ahead with his plans. So the rebrand was equally the fault of certain fans whipping up support whilst trying to needlessly frighten others with a scenario that never existed (you know who they are) but since then Tan has also used every dirty trick in the book to undermine the part of our fan base that does not share his vision and has since ruthlessly eradicated any resistance to his plans and position at the club.
So yes Tan is a dictator but we could have stopped the monster initially when we had the chance but were undermined by some of our fellow fans.with hindsight however and given what we know now, I wonder how many of us would have stuck to our original opposition and took the chance on banning the rebrand when we had the opportunity?

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

If fans on here want to applaud/stick up for the Red on this forum, of course I dont like it and I dont agree with them, but thats their opinion/belief

If fans want to put banners up in support of our true Identity in our stadium on the orders of Cardiff City's Regime, they will be taken of you and you will be stopped from having your say/opinion/belief.

There was no poll then, as suggested by MaccyDee.

I certainly didn't get any consultation, nor did 99% of the other fans. It was either you go along with my ideas, or I leave and leave your club in grave danger.

Hardly a consultation.

You cant have it both ways Barry. You always use that term that he said he would leave the club in safe hands so the red or dead argument didnt count. Now you say we could have been in grave danger....which is it???

After the fans initial uproar over the rebrand plans, Tan did indeed say that if his plans were rejected then he would seek further investors and would leave the club in good hands. He also stated that he still had an affection for our club.
Personally I interpreted this as Tan bringing in more investors because he was not prepared to put in his full investment if he could not have full control over the future direction of the club.
It was at this point that certain fans panicked and started putting out the misinformation that this somehow meant red or dead and certain administration.
The reality was that Tan was not saying this at all and it was more a case of certain fans were worried that the club would not receive Tans full investment and would possibly struggle in the league as a result.
When certain fans went to the media peddling the red or dead doomsday scenario and influenced others it was at this point that Tan realised that the fans might not be as united over the rebrand as he first thought and he then proceeded full speed ahead with his plans. So the rebrand was equally the fault of certain fans whipping up support whilst trying to needlessly frighten others with a scenario that never existed (you know who they are) but since then Tan has also used every dirty trick in the book to undermine the part of our fan base that does not share his vision and has since ruthlessly eradicated any resistance to his plans and position at the club.
So yes Tan is a dictator but we could have stopped the monster initially when we had the chance but were undermined by some of our fellow fans.with hindsight however and given what we know now, I wonder how many of us would have stuck to our original opposition and took the chance on banning the rebrand when we had the opportunity?

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Neil,
But we would still have our True Identity and be still proud fans, not a laughing stock.

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Wrong. We've come near a couple of times before without his massive investment, however.. It did make it far easier, I agree.

Is not getting to the premiership a problem? I can't understand why people see that as the be all & end all.

If the premiership is all that matters, why are you a Cardiff City fan?

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Wrong. We've come near a couple of times before without his massive investment, however.. It did make it far easier, I agree.

Is not getting to the premiership a problem? I can't understand why people see that as the be all & end all.

If the premiership is all that matters, why are you a Cardiff City fan?

Exactly. All this premiership stuff is bollocks and why is everyone so obsessed by it. I'm sure the majority of fans never dreamt of any success, so why this success regardless of our history attitude now?

There was no poll then, as suggested by MaccyDee.

I certainly didn't get any consultation, nor did 99% of the other fans. It was either you go along with my ideas, or I leave and leave your club in grave danger.

Hardly a consultation.

You cant have it both ways Barry. You always use that term that he said he would leave the club in safe hands so the red or dead argument didnt count. Now you say we could have been in grave danger....which is it???

After the fans initial uproar over the rebrand plans, Tan did indeed say that if his plans were rejected then he would seek further investors and would leave the club in good hands. He also stated that he still had an affection for our club.
Personally I interpreted this as Tan bringing in more investors because he was not prepared to put in his full investment if he could not have full control over the future direction of the club.
It was at this point that certain fans panicked and started putting out the misinformation that this somehow meant red or dead and certain administration.
The reality was that Tan was not saying this at all and it was more a case of certain fans were worried that the club would not receive Tans full investment and would possibly struggle in the league as a result.
When certain fans went to the media peddling the red or dead doomsday scenario and influenced others it was at this point that Tan realised that the fans might not be as united over the rebrand as he first thought and he then proceeded full speed ahead with his plans. So the rebrand was equally the fault of certain fans whipping up support whilst trying to needlessly frighten others with a scenario that never existed (you know who they are) but since then Tan has also used every dirty trick in the book to undermine the part of our fan base that does not share his vision and has since ruthlessly eradicated any resistance to his plans and position at the club.
So yes Tan is a dictator but we could have stopped the monster initially when we had the chance but were undermined by some of our fellow fans.with hindsight however and given what we know now, I wonder how many of us would have stuck to our original opposition and took the chance on banning the rebrand when we had the opportunity?

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Neil,
But we would still have our True Identity and be still proud fans, not a laughing stock.

I agree Annis. I've not been to a Premiership game and even five years ago I would not believe that would ever be the case. I don't feel I am missing anything. When I had to work so couldn't go to a cardiff game when they were in the bottom two divisions I was gutted always checking my phone for the score. I actually forgot they were playing Saturday against Wigan.

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Wrong. We've come near a couple of times before without his massive investment, however.. It did make it far easier, I agree.

Is not getting to the premiership a problem? I can't understand why people see that as the be all & end all.

If the premiership is all that matters, why are you a Cardiff City fan?

That is true but we missed our chance the two years it seemed like we couldn't fail. Without investment in the squad we would have possibly consolidated as a mid table championship side at best and at worst gone down.

There was no poll then, as suggested by MaccyDee.

I certainly didn't get any consultation, nor did 99% of the other fans. It was either you go along with my ideas, or I leave and leave your club in grave danger.

Hardly a consultation.

You cant have it both ways Barry. You always use that term that he said he would leave the club in safe hands so the red or dead argument didnt count. Now you say we could have been in grave danger....which is it???

After the fans initial uproar over the rebrand plans, Tan did indeed say that if his plans were rejected then he would seek further investors and would leave the club in good hands. He also stated that he still had an affection for our club.
Personally I interpreted this as Tan bringing in more investors because he was not prepared to put in his full investment if he could not have full control over the future direction of the club.
It was at this point that certain fans panicked and started putting out the misinformation that this somehow meant red or dead and certain administration.
The reality was that Tan was not saying this at all and it was more a case of certain fans were worried that the club would not receive Tans full investment and would possibly struggle in the league as a result.
When certain fans went to the media peddling the red or dead doomsday scenario and influenced others it was at this point that Tan realised that the fans might not be as united over the rebrand as he first thought and he then proceeded full speed ahead with his plans. So the rebrand was equally the fault of certain fans whipping up support whilst trying to needlessly frighten others with a scenario that never existed (you know who they are) but since then Tan has also used every dirty trick in the book to undermine the part of our fan base that does not share his vision and has since ruthlessly eradicated any resistance to his plans and position at the club.
So yes Tan is a dictator but we could have stopped the monster initially when we had the chance but were undermined by some of our fellow fans.with hindsight however and given what we know now, I wonder how many of us would have stuck to our original opposition and took the chance on banning the rebrand when we had the opportunity?

Tbh without his investment we wouldn't have got anywhere near the premiership.

Neil,
But we would still have our True Identity and be still proud fans, not a laughing stock.

I agree Annis. I've not been to a Premiership game and even five years ago I would not believe that would ever be the case. I don't feel I am missing anything. When I had to work so couldn't go to a cardiff game when they were in the bottom two divisions I was gutted always checking my phone for the score. I actually forgot they were playing Saturday against Wigan.

I just realised I said they instead of we twice. I think that says it all.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Who then went a trod all over its identity and traditions, against the wishes of the fans.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Who then went a trod all over its identity and traditions, against the wishes of the fans.

Against the wishes of some of it's fans. Approximately 33% polled.

Against the wishes of some of it's fans. Approximately 33% polled.

No official poll was ever conducted by the club. No consultation with the fans at all.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Who then went a trod all over its identity and traditions, against the wishes of the fans.

Against the wishes of some of it's fans. Approximately 33% polled.

where is the transparancy when a poll has taken-place? which authority observed the poll so it can't be rigged/corrupted?

where is the transparancy when a poll has taken-place? which authority observed the poll so it can't be rigged/corrupted?

Good point, if the club had actually taken a poll. He's just making things up.